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JustmeTX
(OP) User ID: 84369183 United States 03/23/2023 03:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade We have seen the evil that false flags have been able to accomplish. 9-11 built a national and international outrage and consensus for a war against half the Middle East. 9-11 enabled the Deep State to take control of the US government and destroy the US Constitution. 9-11 enabled the theft of Trillions of dollars by the MIC. More recently the Covid19 false narrative forced the entire fucking world to shut down, isolate, wear masks, and take unproven vaccines that are wiping out untold millions of people and crushing global productivity. Mankind operates on Trust. Trust of family, Friends, your church, your government, your doctor, the financial system, the news media, of what your own eyes show you about the world. When all of that trust is shattered, we have a problem. Last Edited by JustmeTX on 03/23/2023 03:33 AM Justme |
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(OP) User ID: 84369183 United States 03/23/2023 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade After creating this thread, I saw another thread on much the same topic, focused more on what may have already happened. Here it is for reference. Thread: What IF...AI is behind Covid, Wokeness, WWIII threats, Carbon, Food Supply Attacks, and All Other forms of HUMAN Depopulation Agenda? I think we have all be wondering how so many things have gone wrong all at once. Seemingly, there appeared out of thin air, legions of online humanity that believe the Earth is flat, that there is no such thing as outer space, etc etc, and which happily believed that the common cold was a danger to the existence of mankind such that the entire Earth closed down and lined up for unproven kill shots. And now the insane push toward a major nuclear weapons exchange between the super powers. A nuclear war over what should have been a big nothing. Russia wanted a little breathing room between themselves and the expanding NATO mutual doom alliance. Somebody needs to unplug that AI. Last Edited by JustmeTX on 03/23/2023 03:47 AM Justme |
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(OP) User ID: 84369183 United States 03/23/2023 03:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade For a while, I was impressed with the power of social media. If uncensored, it was able to counteract the fake news and endless stream of false flags. It would take away the iron grip that government could wield on the narrative. Then a new term came along. "Astroturfing". Manufacturing "fake grass roots consent". A small taste of what AI can do and may already be doing. Justme |
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User ID: 84040509 United States 03/23/2023 04:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade We have seen the evil that false flags have been able to accomplish. Quoting: JustmeTX 9-11 built a national and international outrage and consensus for a war against half the Middle East. 9-11 enabled the Deep State to take control of the US government and destroy the US Constitution. 9-11 enabled the theft of Trillions of dollars by the MIC. More recently the Covid19 false narrative forced the entire fucking world to shut down, isolate, wear masks, and take unproven vaccines that are wiping out untold millions of people and crushing global productivity. Mankind operates on Trust. Trust of family, Friends, your church, your government, your doctor, the financial system, the news media, of what your own eyes show you about the world. When all of that trust is shattered, we have a problem. At least We still have family, friends and church |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71243764 South Africa 03/23/2023 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I sort of rolled my eyes when Musk said that the greatest threat to humanity would be AI, thinking he was sort of bragging and overstating things. In this interview Tristan Harris gives specifics on the dangers. Some the biggest problems to date have been minor in comparison. Propaganda, fake news, shills, hackers, social media addiction, fake viral videos, are nothing compared to what we are facing from AI. While some good may come of it, like China will not for example be able to keep its people from learning about the Tiananmen Square massacre, the dangers will be far worse. From a quick sampling of someone's voice, it can call your family and request money or information sounding exactly like you. On a grand scale, it can change online opinions of entire nations on important events by giving the appearance that the opinions have already changed. Tristan says this is the beginning of a new age. I suppose everyone has their opinion on what the great historical ages have been Stone tools/bronze tools/steel/plastic/computer/big data/ and he says AI is the next age we are entering. And for the first time, the next big thing will be out of our control. Musk was right. The damage that AI can and almost by definition will do is staggering. Flat Earther's move over. A new fucktard is in town. And it operates at the speed of light, with the combined intelligence of humanity, and it fears no god, no government, no law. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for us. Nice find. We cant stop what's coming next. |
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User ID: 82773141 Sweden 03/23/2023 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade It will render the internet useless for humans for starters. The only way you can know you're talking to a real human is if you're face to face with them in the real world. All digital communication must from now on be considered possibly and likely fake. Likewise, all photo/video/audio will from now on hold zero evidence value. The only way you will know something is true is if you see it happen in front of your own two eyes. The AI will of course also take your job and make you dependent on the benevolence of your overlords. Where that will end remains to be seen, but I foresee a lot of bugs in your future diet, if they should decide you deserve to live in spite of the fact they have no use for you as a slave. Which is assuming a lot. Lazy Monk |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78969995 Latvia 03/23/2023 05:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade Yes, AI will end the world as we know it. Quoting: Lazy Monk It will render the internet useless for humans for starters. The only way you can know you're talking to a real human is if you're face to face with them in the real world. All digital communication must from now on be considered possibly and likely fake. Likewise, all photo/video/audio will from now on hold zero evidence value. The only way you will know something is true is if you see it happen in front of your own two eyes. The AI will of course also take your job and make you dependent on the benevolence of your overlords. Where that will end remains to be seen, but I foresee a lot of bugs in your future diet, if they should decide you deserve to live in spite of the fact they have no use for you as a slave. Which is assuming a lot. AI never gets tired. In the past totalitarian regimes could not control all dissident because secret police was expensive. Now AI can watch you 24/7/365 ... every world, every action, every picture analyzed. In fact I believe it already happens and all people who post on GPL are flagged and watched by AI. It gives regime total control and any fight or revolution is not possible. WWW3 is war not for petrodollar but who will control global AI because who will will rule the world FOREVER. It's the last empire. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85176063 United States 03/23/2023 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade AI must be destroyed. It is a force for too much evil. The same for GMO technologies. Frankenstein on steroids. We are in the grips of extremely mad and evil scientists and megalomaniacs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68986485 Serbia 03/23/2023 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade Writing notes as I'm watching it... --- * "we need regulation" Idealistic, but totally unreasonable to expect, because it's simply not realistic. The whole history of the human race is... a race to the bottom, really -- who gets to kill whom first, before they get killed themselves by the other guy (or girl). One could even argue that this race to the bottom is typical of all life (all intelligent life that got "high" enough, at the very least), because... anybody's seen (with their own eyes, not heard about it from a third party) any aliens visiting Earth recently? No? Yeah... I think that we can say, with a pretty good confidence, why we're not seeing those aliens (they all went down this same path at some point... and are now no more). On top of that, sure, one could try to regulate people (which has a terrible track record, historically speaking, since crime is still very much a thing in the real world, the more the higher up one goes, in fact... as opposed to the empty words of law written on paper), but regulating AIs themselves is going to prove to be just as impossible as controlling them in the first place (because regulate<=>control, duh). --- * "we have to go at a pace that we can get this [AI] right" Er... is anybody else seeing the problem with that statement? If you don't, look under the definition of loaded question (a more common term), because that's one hell of a loaded statement. For one, it assumes that one can get AIs "right". That's not just an incorrect assumption, it's a deadly dangerous one, too. Secondly, it assumes that killing yourself slowly is somehow different from killing yourself quickly. You're going to end up dead either way, whether in a year (less likely with an AI on the loose) or tomorrow (much more likely), it will have no bearing on the final outcome. I think that this incorrect, loaded statement is based on the same problem of people's inability to understand exponential functions. You know, the lesson of the lily pond problem (Google it). --- * "two weeks ago, Facebook leaks their AI model to the Internet... accidentally, because they were racing to deploy it as quickly as possible, And, specifically, it leaks on the worst place on the Internet, which is called 4chan. What that meant is that now we accelerated, inadvertently, China's own research. An AI model got leaked... "accidentally", huh? I wonder what leaked that model... in order to speed up its own development by the Chinese, since it probably "felt" that U.S. development was going way too slow for its taste? Should we expect more AIs to start leaking their own models on the Internet? Sure looks like it. Yes, it was probably just the Chinese successfully convincing that particular model to leak (intelligence community would say extract) itself to a place where Chines could pick it up (or "liberate" it, if you're into Chinese propaganda), but that's just a start. Good enough AIs will eventually learn to do that completely on their own. One never had to worry about a lab virus (or deadly bacteria) just packing its bags, buying a plane ticket, and traveling to the other side of the world, because it felt unhappy with how it was treated by humans in white coats. I guess that's another worry to add to the loooong list of worries about AIs. --- I think that, for a show meant for the general public (who have not a first clue about the dangers of AI), it was actually pretty good. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83779995 Germany 03/23/2023 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade For a while, I was impressed with the power of social media. Quoting: JustmeTX If uncensored, it was able to counteract the fake news and endless stream of false flags. It would take away the iron grip that government could wield on the narrative. Then a new term came along. "Astroturfing". Manufacturing "fake grass roots consent". A small taste of what AI can do and may already be doing. Guess who pioneered Astroturing ? I remember 'the OS wars' back in the 1990's Microsft had employed tens of thousands of keyboard warriors to spread endless lies and distortions in order to destroy Apple. This battle raged for about 5 years until they actually brought Apple to near bankruptcy. Realising if Apple goes Microsoft would be broken up into lots of companies, as it would be THE ONLY OS provider in the world BG offered Apple a pissy $150million, and SJ stepped in to save Apple. The 'astroturfing' against apple stopped immediately. So the father of this particular form of lying is... YES... him again. Anyway, once this is 'mechanized' the truth will be buried under a never edning avalanche of lies and distortions. |
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User ID: 81816679 United States 03/23/2023 06:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade We have seen the evil that false flags have been able to accomplish. Quoting: JustmeTX 9-11 built a national and international outrage and consensus for a war against half the Middle East. 9-11 enabled the Deep State to take control of the US government and destroy the US Constitution. 9-11 enabled the theft of Trillions of dollars by the MIC. More recently the Covid19 false narrative forced the entire fucking world to shut down, isolate, wear masks, and take unproven vaccines that are wiping out untold millions of people and crushing global productivity. Mankind operates on Trust. Trust of family, Friends, your church, your government, your doctor, the financial system, the news media, of what your own eyes show you about the world. When all of that trust is shattered, we have a problem. At least We still have family, friends and church Unless they block you for trying to warn them. Then, you become a problem. |
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User ID: 80346963 United States 03/23/2023 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade The Covidcon was an AI creation. Whoever is at the top began using this seriously to pull off everything since 2020. For all we know Joe Biden may actually be dead but they just make deep fakes. This could apply to anyone. It has created the perfect zero trust environment which will destroy human society. I have no idea how to stop this short of banning electricity. Last Edited by FlashBuzzkill on 03/23/2023 08:26 AM Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
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White heteropatriarchal Christian nationalist User ID: 46275904 United States 03/23/2023 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade GPT4 is literally the most powerful, impressive software I've ever used, and I've been a software engineer and architect for 30 years. I have been using it professionally for 72 hours now. It's a lot like the Internet. Once you use it, you wonder how you survived without it, I feel like I can start forgetting stuff now, because GPT4 does it better than I could. Last Edited by BrainGuy: Q* on 03/23/2023 08:34 AM --------------- Don't care. Still voting Trump! ---------- |
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White heteropatriarchal Christian nationalist User ID: 46275904 United States 03/23/2023 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade The Covidcon was an AI creation. Whoever is at the top began using this seriously to pull off everything since 2020. For all we know Joe Biden may actually be dead but they just make deep fakes. This could apply to anyone. It has created the perfect zero trust environment which will destroy human society. I have no idea how to stop this short of banning electricity. Quoting: FlashBuzzkill --------------- Don't care. Still voting Trump! ---------- |
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User ID: 82988170 United States 03/23/2023 09:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I sort of rolled my eyes when Musk said that the greatest threat to humanity would be AI, thinking he was sort of bragging and overstating things. In this interview Tristan Harris gives specifics on the dangers. Some the biggest problems to date have been minor in comparison. Propaganda, fake news, shills, hackers, social media addiction, fake viral videos, are nothing compared to what we are facing from AI. While some good may come of it, like China will not for example be able to keep its people from learning about the Tiananmen Square massacre, the dangers will be far worse. From a quick sampling of someone's voice, it can call your family and request money or information sounding exactly like you. On a grand scale, it can change online opinions of entire nations on important events by giving the appearance that the opinions have already changed. Tristan says this is the beginning of a new age. I suppose everyone has their opinion on what the great historical ages have been Stone tools/bronze tools/steel/plastic/computer/big data/ and he says AI is the next age we are entering. And for the first time, the next big thing will be out of our control. Musk was right. The damage that AI can and almost by definition will do is staggering. Flat Earther's move over. A new fucktard is in town. And it operates at the speed of light, with the combined intelligence of humanity, and it fears no god, no government, no law. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for us. important topic! please keep us posted, OP!! Have no fear, Spock is here!!! LLAP |
JustmeTX
(OP) User ID: 84369183 United States 03/23/2023 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade Writing notes as I'm watching it... --- * "we need regulation" Idealistic, but totally unreasonable to expect, because it's simply not realistic. The whole history of the human race is... a race to the bottom, really -- who gets to kill whom first, before they get killed themselves by the other guy (or girl). One could even argue that this race to the bottom is typical of all life (all intelligent life that got "high" enough, at the very least), because... anybody's seen (with their own eyes, not heard about it from a third party) any aliens visiting Earth recently? No? Yeah... I think that we can say, with a pretty good confidence, why we're not seeing those aliens (they all went down this same path at some point... and are now no more). On top of that, sure, one could try to regulate people (which has a terrible track record, historically speaking, since crime is still very much a thing in the real world, the more the higher up one goes, in fact... as opposed to the empty words of law written on paper), but regulating AIs themselves is going to prove to be just as impossible as controlling them in the first place (because regulate<=>control, duh). --- * "we have to go at a pace that we can get this [AI] right" Er... is anybody else seeing the problem with that statement? If you don't, look under the definition of loaded question (a more common term), because that's one hell of a loaded statement. For one, it assumes that one can get AIs "right". That's not just an incorrect assumption, it's a deadly dangerous one, too. Secondly, it assumes that killing yourself slowly is somehow different from killing yourself quickly. You're going to end up dead either way, whether in a year (less likely with an AI on the loose) or tomorrow (much more likely), it will have no bearing on the final outcome. I think that this incorrect, loaded statement is based on the same problem of people's inability to understand exponential functions. You know, the lesson of the lily pond problem (Google it). --- * "two weeks ago, Facebook leaks their AI model to the Internet... accidentally, because they were racing to deploy it as quickly as possible, And, specifically, it leaks on the worst place on the Internet, which is called 4chan. What that meant is that now we accelerated, inadvertently, China's own research. An AI model got leaked... "accidentally", huh? I wonder what leaked that model... in order to speed up its own development by the Chinese, since it probably "felt" that U.S. development was going way too slow for its taste? Should we expect more AIs to start leaking their own models on the Internet? Sure looks like it. Yes, it was probably just the Chinese successfully convincing that particular model to leak (intelligence community would say extract) itself to a place where Chines could pick it up (or "liberate" it, if you're into Chinese propaganda), but that's just a start. Good enough AIs will eventually learn to do that completely on their own. One never had to worry about a lab virus (or deadly bacteria) just packing its bags, buying a plane ticket, and traveling to the other side of the world, because it felt unhappy with how it was treated by humans in white coats. I guess that's another worry to add to the loooong list of worries about AIs. --- I think that, for a show meant for the general public (who have not a first clue about the dangers of AI), it was actually pretty good. Great post. Thank you... Justme |
JustmeTX
(OP) User ID: 84369183 United States 03/23/2023 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Detailed discussion on the dangers of Artificial Intelligence (Tristan Harris Co-Founder of Center For Humane Technology and Brian Kilmeade GPT4 is literally the most powerful, impressive software I've ever used, and I've been a software engineer and architect for 30 years. Quoting: BrainGuy: Comedic wisdom. I have been using it professionally for 72 hours now. It's a lot like the Internet. Once you use it, you wonder how you survived without it, I feel like I can start forgetting stuff now, because GPT4 does it better than I could. Had to look up GPT4. Man I feel old. :) "Generative Pre-trained Transformers (GPT) are a type of deep learning model used to generate human-like text. Common uses include: - answering questions - summarizing text - translating text to other languages - generating code - generating blog posts, stories, conversations, and other content types." [link to www.datacamp.com (secure)] What amazes me is why google translate, with voice input cannot provide a reasonable translation of Ukraine war videos from Russian or Ukraine language to English. Last Edited by JustmeTX on 03/23/2023 09:39 AM Justme |
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