Absolute logical proof your consciousness survives death

Good argument.
We were born in a corrupted universe.
The creator made a way out of this decay for us.
We have to choose.

Imagine eternity without God. Darkness nothingness alone forever. Buried in an inescapable coffin.

Have yet to read the piece, but human are just a form of animals.

You die each time falling asleep, real death is the same

+1

School of Irenaeus?

How many people live to tell the tale of experiencing their silver cord?



I did.

but most of that is only assumptions

with no proof

saying something is "simple logic" as though that is inviolate proof does not make it so


you fail to take into account your own finite being

What part of the logic are you disagreeing with? Are you saying non-existence CAN produce existence? What properties does it have that enable that?

Lmao. Just? You is super smarts when biological life is a blaise accomplaishment... you is just a genius...

Nope, humans are not animals they're created in "the image and likeness of God".

How about an infinite flux between existence and non-existence played out like he yin and yang chasing each other for eternity.

Did you shart your pants, grunt, and break more wind that was more dry when you typed that, manimal?

Without omnipotence one cannot know if non existence can or cannot produce existence. Simple logic. Nothing can exist, but it is a matter of scale, therefore non-existence is a certainty BECAUSE there is existence. That which is not extant, is not that which is extant. Simple logic.
I agree with you thesis though, conciousness is eternal, but the universe didnt form it and it didnt exist until it came into being from a biological seed which is sparked with Life from God.

The problem some philosophers would have with your attempt to logically prove your immortality is that you keep begging the question about what it is that exists eternally. What is the "I" that exists, yet is not the product of existence? Some would say it is a delusion created by your existence - it is NOT synthetic a priori. By admitting that you are conscious without defining what the "you" is runs into the danger of begging the question.

Your step 3 is really a play on words, not a logical argument. Existence cannot create existence because it cannot cause itself. But it can create the illusion of existence, and Eastern religions assert that that it all you are: a temporary creation - an illusory self that is NOT eternal.

Your step 4 is also questionable because you are begging the question that consciousness does not have a cause traceable to the world of existence. Most brain scientists would assert that your consciousness exists because you have a brain that generates it. They are wrong because - like you - I would assert that consciousness is not the hardware but the operating system running it that was imported from elsewhere (an eternal source).

Before claiming a logical deduction of being eternal, you have to define what you mean by the "!" that is consciousness, otherwise you run the risk of begging the question by confusing the temporary ego with the immortal Self. You argue that consciousness does not derive from existence but that the body derives from consciousness. Whilst I agree with that, you have merely replaced one philosophy (materialism) by another (idealism). You have not logically deduced it, as you claim. That said, I share your philosophy and wish you well.

complete rubbish.

Is your existence now complete rubbish?

Sorry, but you just contradicted yourself. You cannot claim "consciousness is eternal" and then proceed to say that "didnt exist until it came into being...."

If it did not exist in any sense before life began in an impregnated embryo, then it is hardly eternal, is it?

You cannot have something that is eternal yet did not exist. That does not make any sense whatsoever. It cannot be eternal if it never ALWAYS existed. It's a contradiction in terms and therefore a meaningless statement.

You did because you never died. Just found yourself projected into both your etheric & astral bodies, making visible the silver chord connecting them to your physical body.

Were we conscious before we were born? Have we existed before birth? If there is a start to consciousness can there also be an end? Does the recorded thought process stop? Is there a universal repository of the individuals existence in time that can be relived in the afterlife?(kind of like Emily in "Our Town")

Admittedly this is just a shorthand explanation and a full explanation might require an entire book. How do I define "I"? It is the least I can have and still be. Consciousness alone is that, so I am consciousness. The body-mind is something "I", as consciousness know. The body cannot "be" unless there is awareness first.

Regarding step 4 I am using the word consciousness different than some. I am using the word "consciousness", "awareness" and "existence" all interchangeably. If we try to define these words all differently we end up with soup. So existence comes first, then the brain. You cannot say you have a brain that doesn't exist. Thus consciousness produces the brain and not the other way around.

From a Judeo/Christian perspective the soul is eternal because God knew you from before you were born. He saw your entire existence in this time frame. Since he knew you eternally then you must be eternal. You just don't remember the "before time".

i'm at work.

no time to detail

see Buddahism Nirvana

Was I conscious before I was born? A body was born. The body is an addon to consciousness. I was not born. A body was born. I was consciousness before the appearance of a body and will be after the death of the body.

How do I know this? Because the body is dependent on consciousness and consciousness is not dependent on the body. You can have awareness without a body, but you cannot have a body without awareness. If you did have a body without awareness how would that be verified? Is there a world somewhere that functions without awareness?

We are composed of energy. Fact

Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Fact

Nuff said

It seems you need a good class in logic.
Without reference to an external objective and repeatable test , humans can develop all sorts of "logical" systems that have no bearing on "reality "( see string theory)

you start with a postulate that you exist - which is a common starting point, but this is assumed. For all you know your "existence" is a very brief alignment of forces that occurs only for an instant, and memories of the past are an illusion. Perhaps you "exist" but as a simulation in an advanced computer system , and therefore your "existence" will cease the moment that system is powered down or the program terminated. That system could alter memory, return you to earlier moments to live them again and so forth. We ultimately have no reference point to determine what is "real" and what is not. Hence you need to define what it means to "exist" before you can even proceed to points 2 & 3.

So most assume ( postulate) that what we see and hear and experience is "real" and therefore "exists" (and as a practical matter what else could one do?)

It does NOT follow from this that Non-existence cannot produce existence, as we don't know if we are being switched on/off. In fact the Mandela effect , and personal observations of timeline shifts suggest otherwise ( And since what is "real" is what we experience, such experiences must be considered as evidence of "real" changes...) Likewise other peopel you meet may be simulated. They may wink out of existence when they are no longer in evidence when you are not experiencing them personally. But perhaps they are created when YOU experience them, and thus Existence could produce existence. Hence your 3rd point also does not follow given the postulate of what is "real" or what it means to "exist"

Point 4 is also invalid because we cannot prove there is a past - we remember a past - and therefore experience the "past" through memory, but there is no reason to suppose it is "real" beyond that, or even that causality exists. It appears to in our experience , so its a good heuristic to follow, but it cannot be used in reverse to prove consciousness isn't of its nature, temporary or even a instantaneous phenomenon.

Points 5 & 6 is based assuming that whatever creates your experience of self awareness is eternal and interested in perpetuating your consciousness for eternity in a linear casual fashion. (this is basically the essence of a "god") It is effectively another postulate , and could be used in reverse to justify 2,3,and 4. But is is not a valid conclusion

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Good. I posit non existence and existence are actually one. If existence is an illusion than non existence is all there is.. But because non existence cannot exist it must flood into existence at insane magnitudes.. Hence the power binding atoms, spiritual power, etc..


The secret sauce is infinite amounts of non existence are required to exist at every opportunity thus flooding existence with unbound amounts energy at all points.


In fact existence is completely powered by and made up of non existence.



It's a perpetual flux state of reality. Its an illusion powered by non existence but shaped by existence.

Some thought it was their right to extinguish what God has planted. They considered themselves as gods. They were wrong.

Now this is a classic GLP thread. Its why I come here. Too few of them nowadays.