I can no longer ignore, in good conscience, Matthew using a mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14 to proclaim the virgin birth

The Hebrew word almah means young woman, not virgin.

The confusion came from incorrect translations.

Can Jesus still be God..even if he wasn't born of a virgin?

I'm perplexed.

I've returned to the Bible after years of being away from it and all it's doing is eroding my faith in it.

I'm not sure I can accept a world without a God of Love who redeemed us from our sin.

This is a very trying time for me.

Can Jesus still be God..even if he wasn't born of a virgin?

I'm perplexed.

I've returned to the Bible after years of being away from it and all it's doing is eroding my faith in it.

I'm not sure I can accept a world without a God of Love who redeemed us from our sin.

This is a very trying time for me.

Isaiah 1-10 and Christianity: Many Christians believe that Isaiah's prophecies in chapters 1-10 set the stage for the coming of Jesus. For instance, Isaiah 1:18, which speaks of God's forgiveness and the turning of sins into "snow" and "wool," is often seen as a precursor to Jesus' teachings on forgiveness and redemption. Similarly, Isaiah 9:2-7, which speaks of a future child who will bring peace and justice, is interpreted by Christians as a messianic prophecy fulfilled in Jesus.

Isaiah 1-10 and Mormonism: Mormons interpret Isaiah's prophecies differently from mainstream Christianity. For example, they see Isaiah 5:26, which speaks of a signal raised to gather Israel from afar, as referring to the Book of Mormon's account of the gathering of the lost tribes of Israel to the Americas. Likewise, Isaiah 8:14, which warns against relying on human power instead of God, is seen by Mormons as an admonition to trust in Mormon teachings and leadership.

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1. Bible Copywriters don't get paid for new translations unless they "change" ten passsges.

2. Christians don't "Bible study", they Bible recite, meditate ponder & memorize.

3. Zero Christian schools/churches teach Greek, OR Hebrew...therefore

4. Christians don't have a clue what they're talking about, because they 'believe first, THEN walk it THROUGH, POWERING their way into belief heaven like a woman.
Gnosticism, ethereal
Not "Biblical truth".


Issiah 7:14 TANAKH (That's Hebrew folks)




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Christians are hand-delivered VERSES.
The context ALONE of Isaiah 1-10 should be enough to make messianic Jesus laughable.
Judaism laughs at Christians like Christians laugh at Mormons, because they are uneducated, and look for hero apologists while they ride others coat-tails.


A sign, is something you can SEE.
You can't "see" a virgin birth, nor does a "don't worry everyone, in 700 years this dudes gonna come to rid us of Ahaz, rejoice!" make any sense whatsover.

The Christian church(Rome) deliberately mistranslated & created this.

3. Zero Christian schools/churches teach Greek, OR Hebrew...therefore

4. Christians don't have a clue what they're talking about, because they 'believe first, THEN walk it THROUGH, POWERING their way into belief heaven like a woman.
Gnosticism, ethereal
Not "Biblical truth".


Issiah 7:14 TANAKH (That's Hebrew folks)

While some interpreters do argue that Isaiah 7:14 is referring to the birth of the prophet Hezekiah, others believe that it is a messianic prophecy that foretells the birth of Jesus.

The passage in question reads: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." Some argue that the term "virgin" is a mistranslation, and that the Hebrew word "almah" actually means "young woman" or "maiden," which would make sense in the context of Hezekiah's birth.

However, Christians traditionally interpret this passage as a prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus, particularly in light of Matthew 1:23, which quotes Isaiah 7:14 and applies it directly to Jesus.

no it's not a Hebrew word it's an acronym ...
... made from the first Hebrew letter of each of the Masoretic Text's three traditional divisions: Torah (literally 'Instruction' or 'Law'), Nevi'im (Prophets), and Ketuvim (Writings)—hence TaNaKh.

In the Jewish tradition, Isaiah 7:14 is understood within the context of the Syro-Ephraimite War, which took place around 735 BCE.

King Ahaz of Judah was being pressured by Israel (Ephraim) and Syria (Aram) to join an alliance against Assyria. Ahaz was afraid, and God sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure him. The sign of a young woman conceiving and bearing a son was meant to assure Ahaz that the threat from Israel and Syria would be over before the child reached a certain age. This interpretation sees the passage as a specific, historical event relevant to King Ahaz's situation.

However, in Christianity, Isaiah 7:14 is interpreted as a messianic prophecy, particularly in light of the quotation of this verse in the Gospel of Matthew.

Christians see the sign as pointing to the virgin birth of Jesus, with the child named "Immanuel" (meaning "God with us") indicating the divinity of Jesus as the Son of God

"Christians don't have a clue what they're talking about, because they 'believe first, THEN walk it THROUGH, POWERING their way into belief heaven like a woman.
Gnosticism, ethereal
Not "Biblical truth"."

This may be true of these groups:

Pentecostals and Charismatics: These groups emphasize the importance of personal experiences with the Holy Spirit, including speaking in tongues, healing, and prophecy. While they do study the Bible, their interpretations may be heavily influenced by personal spiritual experiences.

Non-Denominational Evangelical Churches: Many non-denominational evangelical churches focus on personal relationships with Jesus and the importance of being "born again." These churches often prioritize evangelism and personal testimony over deep scriptural analysis.

Prosperity Gospel Churches: Some churches that adhere to the prosperity gospel, which emphasizes faith and positive confession as a means of obtaining financial and material success, could be considered belief-first communities. They may interpret biblical passages in ways that support their focus on personal prosperity.


However, the christian communities that emphasize deep scriptural analysis include:

Mainline Protestant denominations like the Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopal, and Presbyterian churches often stress the importance of studying the Bible's historical and cultural context, and many offer seminary education to their clergy.

Roman Catholic Church: The Catholic Church has a long tradition of scriptural scholarship, with a history of interpreting the Bible within the context of its ancient and medieval heritage.

Orthodox Churches: Eastern Orthodox Christianity emphasizes the teachings of the early Church Fathers and Church Councils, which often involves rigorous study of the Bible and its historical context.

Quakers: The Religious Society of Friends, also known as Quakers, has a tradition of silent, reflective worship, and emphasizes the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding individual interpretation of scripture.

As there are about 2.38 billion christians worldwide, they tend to be a pretty diverse lot that should not be pigeon-holed.

"Zero Christian schools/churches teach Greek, OR Hebrew."

I believe that the following do:

Hebrew Union College

Johns Hopkins University

Israel Institute of Biblical Studies

Houston Christian University

Spurgeon’s College

The Gospel Coalition (which provides online resources for learning these languages)

Wondering if anyone knows why since year one or 1966 repeatedly eastern practices keep trying to be imported and popularized which is today such as yoga, eastern mysticism, caste systems, etc.

You can clearly see it doesn’t mean Jesus because Jesus was named Yeshua and not Immanuel. No one ever called him Immanuel except Matthew.

My point is simply that what should be base foundation for belief(Greek/Hebrew, some Aramaic) is deliberately not taught.

I can't comment on specific paid universities.
I can comment on Bible Colleges & Seminaries.
John Macarthur for instance, and John Barnett his protege, involved only in seminaries cherry'picking Greek passages, words, translations & customs of that era.
We have more context in universities not Christianity-based higher learning institutes.

Eternity in another plain of being should demand full use of human capacity, rather than intellectial laziness which I'm sure you agree with friend.

Just one of the many mythical saviours born of a virgin in the ancient world.... he went by many names..... A story as old as time itself.

Don't leave out Bereans amongst others.


"Lago" is hitting a lot of truth here folks, read his comments.

Just one of the many mythical saviours born of a virgin in the ancient world.... he went by many names..... A story as old as time itself.

yep, lifted at the very least from sumerian writings.

According to the myth, Ninhursag became pregnant and gave birth to a daughter named Ninsar without a male partner.

This daughter then also became pregnant and gave birth to a daughter of her own, also without a male partner.

This pattern continued for several generations, leading to the creation of several goddesses without the involvement of a male deity.

Can Jesus still be God..even if he wasn't born of a virgin?

I'm perplexed.

I've returned to the Bible after years of being away from it and all it's doing is eroding my faith in it.

I'm not sure I can accept a world without a God of Love who redeemed us from our sin.

This is a very trying time for me.

that's a distinction without a difference, even if the meaning of the word was young (but marriage age) unmarried woman , all "almas" were virgins in Isaih's time anyway because there was capital punishment for premarital sex, that is, non-virgin almas were nonexistent because they would have been killed.

I wouldn't say it's a misstranslation.

Become Orthodox.

“The Righteous Simeon was one of the seventy scholars who came to Alexandria to translate the Holy Scriptures into Greek. The completed work was called "The Septuagint," and is the version of the Old Testament used by the Orthodox Church.

St Simeon was translating a book of the Prophet Isaiah, and read the words: "Behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a Son" (Is 7:14). He thought that "virgin" was inaccurate, and he wanted to correct the text to read "woman." At that moment an angel appeared to him and held back his hand saying, "You shall see these words fulfilled. You shall not die until you behold Christ the Lord born of a pure and spotless Virgin." Tradition says he died at the great age of 360.”