Can Believing Some "Hero" is going to Save you, When such is a LIE, HURT YOU?

You are a very good writer... you explain yourself very well.

I came to a point in my life where it all felt hopeless. I was making the same old mistakes and slipping right back into oblivion. Then, I started re-reading some of my old writing back when I was very in touch with myself and it did something to me.

Now I read you. I thought I was a pretty good writer at one point, but you, you sir are much better than me. Its inspiring.

It really is all apart of the same One Thing. 'That which is above, relates that which is above, that which is below relates to that which is above, to create the miracle of the One Thing'

The ancients knew this. Why do we have to lose this?

Shoulda proof read... derp...

Thank you. I think we forget it in the intrum because what starts in mind has to end in matter. The Law of Consistency. This means that all of our knowing has to be grounded in practicalities.

So what happens is we begin that journey in the distinction model. Cause and effect for example. This contrsst allows distinctions so things are broken down into bite sized pieces. So we chew on them apples for a while. At the end of the script the distinctions get turned back into a whisp again. But this time with not only mental and emotional stability but with physical stability as well. In the twinkling of an eye.

What we get from the distinction model is the grass roots of common sense. Common sense being the capacity to properaly associate our thoughts with practicalites. This then transcends into understanding and the realization of those true innate qualites and from there wisdom becomes Divine Discrimination. Thus, the theme of life is now to us intelligent and a tool for, "Blessed in the city. Blessed in the field. Blessed going in and Blessed going out". Resolving the differenciating fator (not doing things at the expense of others or anything else for that matter) is a passport to a multiverse of fractal horizons. But her guards are strict. They always will be. Life is vast and ever creative. If we want to traverse Her we have to resolve that ongoing theme. This planet is a great school room which allows us the potential to gain this in warp speed. Hello Capitalizm... lol !

When this is accomplished it is also manifested in the flesh. All flesh will be saved. But resolving that differenciating factor will determine its state or condition for the individual. Life will always be a revelation. No devices formed agaisnt us will prosper. It will never be a given assupmtion. Meaning, until that revelation comes life in our experience and perception is that of animation. For example, some people dont value life because they dont see life. They see animation. Every aspect of life has within it Law. Law is that part of anything or nothing that is unto itself self addressing. So depending on our desire for apprehending it it can act as a catch-22. We may be able to find it or see it but here is nothing we will be able to do about it. Thus, this is where cooperation comes into the picture.

Life is innately concealed.

But to answere your question again, I believe we forget it for a while because it was not accomplished in the flesh towards that fulfillment or Divine ROI (return on investment). The word I was given towards this end is Hyper-Rest. This is the very nature of Jesus Christ manifested in the flesh. In matter. And so we are on part two. First we were cradled by it like a romance novel. Then it becomes realized in matter itself. New earth and new bodies for example. Some call it a new physics. Some call it a time wave. Lots of different languages out there to describe it. It will put an end to the atrocities against the body and the corruption from one to another against their will.

But the law being unbiased does it for all. Hyper-Rest manifests for all flesh. But what we have done to resolve that differenciating factor determins what is actually abiding. Whatever is abiding will be realized in the flesh also. What is not abiding will have no power to harm any longer. Thus, we judge ourselves.

This is how I understand things to be and why we have all entered that sea of forgetfullness for the most part. It also lets go of prior baggage from past experiences so we can gain a better perspective and try again. It would be counter productive to continue to try and gain maturity if we cannot get out from under an abusive relationship for example. Or, it would be difficult if not impossible to gain wisdom from the harm we bring to others if we are always in a position to have the upper hand. We need a time out and a new environment to regroup. I think this also comes into play but really for the ultimate goal of transcending borders emotionaly, mindfully and also physically.


Debi

Nah, generally your guardians are extended etheral family with a vested interest.

As far as I remember, I have not presented any image of our Creator Father, who, as a general rule somewhat fits the image most imagine the Loving Jesus having. However, that's not the topic of this thread. We're discussing the damage done to a person over a lifetime who buys into the "free ride" to the top of the Kingdom Lie.

You are assuming much about what I know without knowing anything that I know.

I have followed a number of your posts and it just seemed to me that you were bitter towards Jesus also. But of course that was just my impression. I could be wrong. When you post it just sounds like you are bashing Him also. Sorry if I got the wrong idea.

"Your works are but FILTHY RAGS". So much for your "work".








"The blood of Jesus washes us all WHITE AS SNOW."

Sounds pretty "magic" to me. How about you?

Translation, it doesn't matter WHAT I've done, I get a FREE PASS to Heaven. The greatest LIE ever told.







Sure looks that way to me and anyone else who can read. The heart of the so called law is simple, submit or DIE. Not too much "mercy" in that line from where I'm sitting.

Oh please, if I've heard a story about how Jesus solved all my problems for me and "gave me this" and "gave me that" one time, I've heard them a MILLION times.

Sorry, mature divine minds would never have any part of a deception SO slanted against the reality of that mind. A christian mature divine mind is by definition an OXYMORON, just like ARMY INTELLIGENCE.






Right, and being "saved by grace" has nothing to do with haveing Jesus "wash your sins away and make you white as snow", i.e. a FREE RIDE to the top of the Kingdom regardless of WHAT you have done or are GOING to do. Because LET'S FACE FACTS HERE, "HE HAS DONE IT ALL, ALL TO HIM I OWE".

Good grief man, you call yourself a Christian?








Sorry, whatever it is your selling it is NOT Christianity.





Right, "DO WHAT THOU WILT AS LONG AS THOU HURT NONE".

That's the Mystic Occult manifesto of Lucifer, will over love.

If you cosider yourself to be a Christian, you are ONE confused person.

YES!!!!! Very TRUE!!!

What's laugh-worthy, is that you do not even KNOW who's work you are doing, and doing it on a regular basis.

The joke is truly on you, only you are too blind, smug, proud, and arrogant, to ever even have a hope of seeing it.


Your "wisdom" is foolishness, and you'll get the opportunity to find out for yourself. Just keep on doing what you do.

There are things that make be believe everyday.
A friend of mine gave birth a few weeks ago and I was at the birth and there is nothing like the wonder of childbirth to put wonder back into the world.

I keep up with the conspiracies but i've realised if you want a spiritual existence here on earth, you have to seek out spiritual experiences. They are there if you look.

You atheists are the new Jehovah witnesses. You are just as annoying as the people you despise the most. Quit proselytizing you annoying hypocrites.

Saxon is basically the same thing as the Pharisee's were. They rejected Jesus and His free-will offer, also.

They placed burdens on the people that God never even required, and they also believed that a man could "earn" his way to heaven.

Saxon is a modern-day Pharisee, and has the same demonic spirit.

Oh no, yet another pompous ass christian come to rub his hands together and threaten me with his bullshit "lord" Lucifer.

Yes, I know, in fine "christian love", you can't WAIT to see me BURN IN HELLLL!!!!


MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


Thanks for the object lesson putting the proof to what I say for all readig here.

This is a thread about TRUTH, not spiritual exeriences. What you just described would be attributed as "proof" to ANY religion in this world.

Were that an Islamic birth, it would be "proof" of the existence of Muhammad.

Were that a Mormon birth, it would be "proof" of the existence of Joseph Smith.

Trully, you're missing the point of this discussion.

Why would I be bitter toward a myth? However, I DO have an axe to grind with Lucifer, the wearer of that sheep skin. So, maybe you're confusing the two, most do.

An atheist? Am I a cumcumber as well in your "Informed" opinion?

And you are nothing more than a coward, as your name proclaims, and a witless one to boot.

As usual, yet another Christian with nothing more to offer than lies and name calling for the "glory" of his "god" Lucifer.

Oh brother, that's all ya got? You have no idea what I'm about, but hey, why should that bother you, I won't kiss the ass of your "god" Lucifer, so hell, I just need to DIE!!!!

There it is once again, christian "love" in action.

Making an imaginary friend your personal lord and master then calling on him when the shit hits the fan has an inevitable dissapointing result,you are all alone you save yourself-from Planet Earth 101.

Is the Text valid or not?

I guess its all in the context. Works without love is dead. Mere behavior that lacks in understanding and wisdom is dead. I know that many people want to apply one statement to everything and not understand the context it was given in. Mere behavior does not equate to nature. For example, outer appearance vs. right action.



I understand your points here. Half of the equation is left out. What people dont understand is that the veil was rent so that we can wield those qualites and get them abiding. As far as that goes there is nothing more He can do. We have to participate in getting those attributes and qualities abiding. It doesnt matter what we believe it matters what we have abding because if they are not the same then we really dont believe what we say we do.



The heart of the law is mercy regardless of how others present it or interpret it. And Jesus is not going to take up soneone else cross as it were or replace their personal responsibility. I dont know what you think may define a Christian but I suppose it is knowing Him which I do. Although there are certainly a number of Christians who think I am the anti-christ also. I guess it depends on ones perspective. All I know is that I have a fine relationship with Him so say the least.




He wont take the place of our personal responsability. Regardless of how others present it. Again, when we have not realized these principles we tend to use them in defense of our memes and misappropriate them. But it doesnt take much to turn His head either. He is very light hearted and rather forgiving in nature. We still however have to participate in our own destiny. There are things that we are born into that will not be held agaist us but we still have to participate in our maturity after that. Getting to heaven for example might be rather mercyfull but that doesnt mean our state or condition will not need continued work. That part is not a magic wand. I think we can enter heaven with a list of issues to resolve still.

BTW, there are a number of Christians that I find agreement with. I think you are stuck on a certian type and wont see past that until the soap box is better resolved on your end. And on their end. Until then you will keep playing this game of tug-a-war with those who can take up the other end of that rope. But there are many other different maturity levels of Christians who understand that every religion has a valid principle to share with everyone else and embrase diversity. I think when you stop fighting with these types you will see that there are a whole realm of others who understand things differently.




I guess I am just sharing what I believe to be true and with that I have a real tender and loving relasionship with Him. And I dont feel the need to convince others of my personal life and relationships. I understand your disagreements but maybe if you can let it go a bit you can meet others who arent so... zelot?



Yes, love under will. Love isnt worth it otherwise. There is no passion or compassion in it otherwise. Maybe that is why so many religous folk really have a shallow capacity for love and why so many are so accusatory and hateful. Because they think there mental beliefs give them everything without striving for it. Again, salvation is not a replacement system. We still have to take responsibility for our lives and getting all those endless attributes of life abding in us. Salvation for example may get us there but it says nothing of our state or condition once we are there. We still have to work it out and participate.

Anyway, thanks for the chat.

"Free"?

"LIE"?

Great point. Never saw it that way before but I do now.

Just thought to chime in. Saxon is not a modern day Pharisee. He is just pointing out that so many relgious mindsets believe that their creeds give them a license to ingore bad behavior. That peoples poor behavior is justified because they make a mental statement of belief without there having to be right action. If we really believe there will be right action. People say they love but turn around and do all manner of things at the expense of others. Is this justified? No. It has to be resolved. Our mental verbal statements dont replace our right thinking and our right action.

Salvation was the free gift in that the veil was rent. The whole world was saved from the bondage of a mere 3d mindset and the relgious bondage of others dictates and was resolved into a personal loving walk with God. As opposed to being suject to the tyranny of the religous leaders of that time and this time also. The veil was rent for everyone. Not just one group. For everyone. Everyone now can get away from under the bondage of religous dictates and be taught of God through the Holy Spirit. The renting of the veil was Salvation. What we do with it is not a matter of Salvation but the Kingdom of God.

We cannot boast about Salvation. The veil was rent for everyone regardless of our condition. That is the free gift. But we still have to participate in getting those living divine qualities adinding in us. That is the Kingdom of God. We are still going to have moments of truth in life and take responsibility for them.

So who says that?

Well, in my experience I would call it a Jury of Common Sense with higher wisdom. Common sense being the capacity to properly associate our thoughts with practicalities.

You miss the mark of Real Love. Love is NEVER the handmaiden of "will", but rather "will" is the handmaiden of Real Love.

You are NO "Christian", but pose as such to come here to fuck around with myself.

You are a Mystic Occultist who easily leads the gullible christians here astray with your "soft" sounding words of "wisdom". I am sad for you.

Maliciously attacking the belief systems of others only discredits your own.

And to whatever quip I'm sure you came pre-prepared with, I leave you with this:

(destructive energy) + (destructive energy) = ?

Are you solving the problem?

Or are you part of it?

Saxon has wisdom most cant or wont see.

You came here to be part of that which you bring.

YOU, are the other half o DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY.

Congrats.