To the liberally inclined...

Bad argument, considering the power conservatives have and have had and the general ridicule vegans recieve from all walks.

Economically speaking, it has been 60 years of corporate and military rule in this country, championed always by the right.

Divide and conquer.

There a really few issues that separate us into two groups, and they are perpetuated by the few at the top. ..and everyone just goes along with it. We have to, because we are divided. We can only change things when we are united.

The safety net doesn't work. People starve.

Really the only thing to do is live, and few actually do it.
We will continue, until we integrate ourselves back into the land.

I think the desire of community comes from really living.
If you were able to live, I think you'd welcome a community. Isolation comes from the greed that this "safety net" builds.

I have both "liberal" and "conservative" tendencies and desires, and I see hypocritical thinking on both sides. I wonder how people don't notice it themselves, but that brings me full circle.

Divide and conquer.

Bad argument, considering the power conservatives have and have had and the general ridicule vegans recieve from all walks.

Economically speaking, it has been 60 years of corporate and military rule in this country, championed always by the right.


I wouldn't go so far as to call it a bad argument, but there is an imbalance I agree. If for no other reason than the Conservative bandwagon.

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Divide and conquer.

There a really few issues that separate us into two groups, and they are perpetuated by the few at the top. ..and everyone just goes along with it. We have to, because we are divided. We can only change things when we are united.

The safety net doesn't work. People starve.

Really the only thing to do is live, and few actually do it.
We will continue, until we integrate ourselves back into the land.

I think the desire of community comes from really living.
If you were able to live, I think you'd welcome a community. Isolation comes from the greed that this "safety net" builds.

I have both "liberal" and "conservative" tendencies and desires, and I see hypocritical thinking on both sides. I wonder how people don't notice it themselves, but that brings me full circle.

Divide and conquer.


:kleptocrac:

Divide and conquer.

There a really few issues that separate us into two groups, and they are perpetuated by the few at the top. ..and everyone just goes along with it. We have to, because we are divided. We can only change things when we are united.

The safety net doesn't work. People starve.

Really the only thing to do is live, and few actually do it.
We will continue, until we integrate ourselves back into the land.

I think the desire of community comes from really living.
If you were able to live, I think you'd welcome a community. Isolation comes from the greed that this "safety net" builds.

I have both "liberal" and "conservative" tendencies and desires, and I see hypocritical thinking on both sides. I wonder how people don't notice it themselves, but that brings me full circle.

Divide and conquer.


:kleptocrac:

..or are you just showing what i said graphically?



What did you not understand?

What did you not understand?

What did you not understand?


Just adding some visuals. Cheers.

Well, you brought up a super tiny minority (vegans) to counter statements I made about conservatives, as if vegans represent the whole of "liberally" minded people.

It's kind of like me saying white supremacists represent conservative views.

I dunno.

What did you not understand?


Just adding some visuals. Cheers.


got it(right as i hit post)..i screwed up the second reply

Well, you brought up a super tiny minority (vegans) to counter statements I made about conservatives, as if vegans represent the whole of "liberally" minded people.

It's kind of like me saying white supremacists represent conservative views.

I dunno.


Well, I only mentioned Vegans as an example. But there certainly are Liberals out there who are annoying, even downright militant with their views as well.

Like I said, I think the right has the majority of those who are so opinionated that they have to "tell you how it is," but the left is not without their own similar factions as well.

In the end, the difference you highlight is really inherent to the basic philosophies of traditional values vs. progressive change.

I'm not really defending capitalism, but what I was trying to point out was that capitalism (good or bad) requires a bunch of losers. If a factory needs 300 workers and there's only 200 available, the factory loses out. If there's 400 available, the factory is good, and 100 workers lose out. That's the way the capitalist system works. And if that's the way it works, then it's the responsibility of the capitalist system to look after the 100 workers they didn't need at that time, not least because they may need them at a future time.

I understand what you're saying about - a class of people improving their station in life - but... why should that apply to everyone? If you're a happy bog cleaner, you're a happy bog cleaner.

When you say (tee-hee) "the capitalist system is terminally flawed" - WOW! you are a Marxist! (another tee-hee & no offense)


Good post. Cheers.

EDIT to add: Just one thing though. I think we can have both capitalism and a social safety net. And in that way the need for perpetual growth would be eliminated.

"Service to Self
Service to All "

why is it either/or?


It is not either or. Many people have heard of "service to self or service to others" that is incorrect and leads to a bad either or scenerio.

I am talking about Service to All, this includes Self.


Which a lot of people don't realize the full gravity of. Would you rather pay to house someone before or after they car-jack your wife and kill your kid when they crash out in a high spee chase?

Or let's knock it back a notch. You're riding around town in your new BMW with the tax dollars you saved when they cut out social programs for those in need. Next thing you know some poor schmuck who couldn't afford to have his brakes repaired T-bones you in the intersection at the bottom of a hill, on your way to little Suzie's best friend's birthday party.

Something like this actually happened to a friend of mine not too long ago. He's behind in his child support and was riding around in a death trap when he hit a family in their van broadside. His brakes literally fell apart and dropped out in pieces on the roadway.

What if none of it matters in the literal sense? Is it possible that we are simple having experiences and therefore experiencing various emotions as part of a big experience?

Realizing that it all gets very Philosophical masturbation after a while...Yet from my experience I would rather have life happen while working to a greater good for all. one to many beers perhaps tonight.

Liberalism is an attempt to create a society based on universal ethics and rational behavior, a society that rewards truth-telling and a reality-orientation

So I guess it's like this...

Conservative = "We tell you how to run your life, but don't expect us to pay for it."

Liberal = "We won't tell you how to run your life, but you're gonna pay through the nose."

So I guess it's like this...

Conservative = "We tell you how to run your life, but don't expect us to pay for it."

Liberal = "We won't tell you how to run your life, but you're gonna pay through the nose."


On the extremes of both sides yes.

The libertarians however could give a crap about how live your life as long as you don't infringe on their rights. That's how it should be.