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(OP) User ID: 113248 United States 04/30/2009 12:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting post. Quoting: Mister ObviousIt's a possibility and a worse case scenario, MO. For several years I've been reading experts talk about their fear of this happening. Remember...Swine flu has yet to hit Asia. When Swine flu hits Asia, pray that the two do not mutate. IT would be the very worst thing that could happen. Last Edited by Beingsouthern on 04/30/2009 12:42 AM |
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(OP) User ID: 113248 United States 04/30/2009 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what sort of mortality rate would you expect to see with this 'Super-Flu' out of interest? Quoting: zeroI haven't checked recently. If you look at WHO's worldwide chart....you will see that the majority of people who have contracted Bird flu did NOT survive. Tamiflu has had some postiive results, but not what they would like to see. AGAIN...if a Super flu forms...it would be as bad as it could get. |
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(OP) User ID: 113248 United States 04/30/2009 12:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a BIRD flu map from Feb. 09'. Notice the majority of bird flu cases is in Asia! [link to flutrackers.com] Last Edited by Beingsouthern on 04/30/2009 12:50 AM |
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(OP) User ID: 113248 United States 04/30/2009 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks BeingS... Quoting: 3c?I thought i had reached "DOOMMAXIMUS" guess i hadn't yet... You're welcome and I'm sorry to break this news, but it's real. Like I said, I've read about this possibility for several years now. |
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User ID: 502924 United Kingdom 04/30/2009 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Still, around 60% of humans known to have been infected with the current Asian strain of HPAI A(H5N1) have died from it, and H5N1 may mutate or reassort into a strain capable of efficient human-to-human transmission." There's some real DOOM in store if our current swine flu mixes with H5N1. I think this may be the real worry in the grand scheme of things. The WHO seem a bit worked up for what is only apparently a mild flu at the moment. Last Edited by zero on 04/30/2009 12:54 AM |
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User ID: 514914 United States 04/30/2009 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've followed H5N1 (Bird flu) for years AND BELIEVE ME Bird Flu MAKES Swine Flu look like a cakewalk. Quoting: BeingsouthernHere's what I think they (WHO) are REALLY concerned with, but can't or won't reveal this information to the public due to the possibility of an all out PANIC response from people throughout the world. I feel certain the experts are feverishly working on this possibility quietly in the background: Swine flu has not yet hit Asia, where H5N1 is predominately found. H5N1 has not yet mutated where it is easilty transmittable from human to human. However, there are quite a few people throughout Asia who DO have H5N1 due to having contact with contaminated birds. Once the swine flu, which IS EASILY transmittable, reaches Asia ...will the TWO COMBINE? This scenario has always been a serious concern of health experts. If the two viruses combine...........we then have a SUPER FLU...google it. A pandemic SUPER FLU would be devasting...even more so than what we're looking at now with Swine Flu. It only takes 1 person with bird flu to contract Swine flu for the two to form a Super Flu. Again, this has always been their biggest concern. Southern,dosen"t this "swine flu" have avian flu DNA along with human? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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(OP) User ID: 113248 United States 04/30/2009 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've followed H5N1 (Bird flu) for years AND BELIEVE ME Bird Flu MAKES Swine Flu look like a cakewalk. Quoting: mathetesHere's what I think they (WHO) are REALLY concerned with, but can't or won't reveal this information to the public due to the possibility of an all out PANIC response from people throughout the world. I feel certain the experts are feverishly working on this possibility quietly in the background: Swine flu has not yet hit Asia, where H5N1 is predominately found. H5N1 has not yet mutated where it is easilty transmittable from human to human. However, there are quite a few people throughout Asia who DO have H5N1 due to having contact with contaminated birds. Once the swine flu, which IS EASILY transmittable, reaches Asia ...will the TWO COMBINE? This scenario has always been a serious concern of health experts. If the two viruses combine...........we then have a SUPER FLU...google it. A pandemic SUPER FLU would be devasting...even more so than what we're looking at now with Swine Flu. It only takes 1 person with bird flu to contract Swine flu for the two to form a Super Flu. Again, this has always been their biggest concern. Southern,dosen"t this "swine flu" have avian flu DNA along with human? Yeah, someone else pmed me with that question. I don't know the answer, but I'm trying to look it up for you now. |
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(OP) User ID: 113248 United States 04/30/2009 01:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Still, around 60% of humans known to have been infected with the current Asian strain of HPAI A(H5N1) have died from it, and H5N1 may mutate or reassort into a strain capable of efficient human-to-human transmission." Quoting: zeroThere's some real DOOM in store if our current swine flu mixes with H5N1. I think this may be the real worry in the grand scheme of things. The WHO seem a bit worked up for what is only apparently a mild flu at the moment. Yep...that's the real DOOM scenario! |
mathetes
User ID: 514914 United States 04/30/2009 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Southern,dosen"t this "swine flu" have avian flu DNA along with human? Quoting: BeingsouthernYeah, someone else pmed me with that question. I don't know the answer, but I'm trying to look it up for you now. Thanks! Will look foward to any of your input For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
zero
User ID: 502924 United Kingdom 04/30/2009 01:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Antigenic shift in pigs The name "swine flu" is a slight misnomer as it is believed pigs acted as a mixing pot for several flu strains, containing genetic material from pigs, birds and humans. Most humans have never been exposed to some of the antigens involved in the new strain of flu, giving it the potential to cause a pandemic |
Beingsouthern
(OP) User ID: 113248 United States 04/30/2009 01:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's the Bird Flu chart, from WHO, that I want everyone to see. Remember, the dates aren't really important at this point. However, look at the totals and notice the countries where the Bird Flu has been found through 2009: Total - 421 Cases Total - 257 Deaths [link to www.who.int] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 638743 Australia 04/30/2009 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting post. Quoting: Mister Obvious"given the similarity between the avian flu component of this new virus and the 1918 SPANISH fLU,a possible precaution to take is common household cinnamon from the spice rack. Friends of Liberty [link to www.whfoods.com] During the 1918 outbreak it was noticed,that people who worked at a cinnamon processing factory,did not catch the disease.Cinnamon in high doses could be toxic,but a gram a day for adults seem like a reasonable dose..." . |
Beingsouthern
(OP) User ID: 113248 United States 04/30/2009 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ye, according to the BBC site it seems it does have avian flu DNA in it. Not a 100% answer though. Quoting: zeroAntigenic shift in pigs The name "swine flu" is a slight misnomer as it is believed pigs acted as a mixing pot for several flu strains, containing genetic material from pigs, birds and humans. Most humans have never been exposed to some of the antigens involved in the new strain of flu, giving it the potential to cause a pandemic Good find. ANd you're right, it doesn't fully answer the question. I've always read the experts talk about someone with H5N1 coming in contact with another individual having ANY other easily transmittable flu...forming the Super Flu. |
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Forum Administrator 04/30/2009 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've followed H5N1 (Bird flu) for years AND BELIEVE ME Bird Flu MAKES Swine Flu look like a cakewalk. Quoting: BeingsouthernHere's what I think they (WHO) are REALLY concerned with, but can't or won't reveal this information to the public due to the possibility of an all out PANIC response from people throughout the world. I feel certain the experts are feverishly working on this possibility quietly in the background: Swine flu has not yet hit Asia, where H5N1 is predominately found. H5N1 has not yet mutated where it is easilty transmittable from human to human. However, there are quite a few people throughout Asia who DO have H5N1 due to having contact with contaminated birds. Once the swine flu, which IS EASILY transmittable, reaches Asia ...will the TWO COMBINE? This scenario has always been a serious concern of health experts. If the two viruses combine...........we then have a SUPER FLU...google it. A pandemic SUPER FLU would be devasting...even more so than what we're looking at now with Swine Flu. It only takes 1 person with bird flu to contract Swine flu for the two to form a Super Flu. Again, this has always been their biggest concern. Southern,dosen"t this "swine flu" have avian flu DNA along with human? Yeah, someone else pmed me with that question. I don't know the answer, but I'm trying to look it up for you now. It indeed does...it's a never before seen mix of asian, euro swine flus, and north american bird flu and human flu....I will find the CDC quote on that, but that is the mix....one reason they are afraid of it is that the human body has never seen anything like it, so zero natural immunity... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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Forum Administrator 04/30/2009 01:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here ya go... "To be declared a pandemic, Besser said, the virus must be new, cause severe disease, and transmit easily enough to be sustained. It is new. Anne Schuchat, head of science and public health at the CDC, said that the US virus is an unusually mongrelised mix of genetic sequences from North American pigs, Eurasian pigs, birds and humans. The H protein on its surface, having hitherto circulated only in pigs, is one most human immune systems have never seen, the crucial requirement for a pandemic flu." [link to www.newscientist.com] ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 638743 Australia 04/30/2009 01:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting post. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 638743"given the similarity between the avian flu component of this new virus and the 1918 SPANISH fLU,a possible precaution to take is common household cinnamon from the spice rack. Friends of Liberty: www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname:foodspice&dbid68#healthbenefits During the 1918 outbreak it was noticed,that people who worked at a cinnamon processing factory,did not catch the disease.Cinnamon in high doses could be toxic,but a gram a day for adults seem like a reasonable dose..." . try to open this way: [link to www.libertythink.com] . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 638743 Australia 04/30/2009 01:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting post. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 638743"given the similarity between the avian flu component of this new virus and the 1918 SPANISH fLU,a possible precaution to take is common household cinnamon from the spice rack. Friends of Liberty [link to www.whfoods.com] During the 1918 outbreak it was noticed,that people who worked at a cinnamon processing factory,did not catch the disease.Cinnamon in high doses could be toxic,but a gram a day for adults seem like a reasonable dose..." . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 666524 United States 04/30/2009 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've followed H5N1 (Bird flu) for years AND BELIEVE ME Bird Flu MAKES Swine Flu look like a cakewalk. Quoting: BeingsouthernHere's what I think they (WHO) are REALLY concerned with, but can't or won't reveal this information to the public due to the possibility of an all out PANIC response from people throughout the world. I feel certain the experts are feverishly working on this possibility quietly in the background: Swine flu has not yet hit Asia, where H5N1 is predominately found. H5N1 has not yet mutated where it is easilty transmittable from human to human. However, there are quite a few people throughout Asia who DO have H5N1 due to having contact with contaminated birds. Once the swine flu, which IS EASILY transmittable, reaches Asia ...will the TWO COMBINE? This scenario has always been a serious concern of health experts. If the two viruses combine...........we then have a SUPER FLU...google it. A pandemic SUPER FLU would be devasting...even more so than what we're looking at now with Swine Flu. It only takes 1 person with bird flu to contract Swine flu for the two to form a Super Flu. Again, this has always been their biggest concern. Southern,dosen"t this "swine flu" have avian flu DNA along with human? Yeah, someone else pmed me with that question. I don't know the answer, but I'm trying to look it up for you now. It does have avian DNA, however the virus is still H1N1. This virus has all of the building blocks for a recombination creating a mutation to an H5N1 virus even before it reaches Asia. |
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User ID: 667204 United States 04/30/2009 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, If H5N1 turns into a pandemic strain either by itself or alongside this virus... then I will know for sure that this is the End Times. I don't want to live through that shit storm. Only thing worse that I can think of would be long incubation ebola virus that easily spreads through the air. It does beg the question though... will the WHO be stretched too thin and unable to respond quickly enough to H5N1 cases if they do emerge. I'm counting my blessings that this new pandemic is H1N1 and not H5N1. Last Edited by DOOM WATCHER on 04/30/2009 02:34 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 666524 United States 04/30/2009 02:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've followed H5N1 (Bird flu) for years AND BELIEVE ME Bird Flu MAKES Swine Flu look like a cakewalk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 666524Here's what I think they (WHO) are REALLY concerned with, but can't or won't reveal this information to the public due to the possibility of an all out PANIC response from people throughout the world. I feel certain the experts are feverishly working on this possibility quietly in the background: Swine flu has not yet hit Asia, where H5N1 is predominately found. H5N1 has not yet mutated where it is easilty transmittable from human to human. However, there are quite a few people throughout Asia who DO have H5N1 due to having contact with contaminated birds. Once the swine flu, which IS EASILY transmittable, reaches Asia ...will the TWO COMBINE? This scenario has always been a serious concern of health experts. If the two viruses combine...........we then have a SUPER FLU...google it. A pandemic SUPER FLU would be devasting...even more so than what we're looking at now with Swine Flu. It only takes 1 person with bird flu to contract Swine flu for the two to form a Super Flu. Again, this has always been their biggest concern. Southern,dosen"t this "swine flu" have avian flu DNA along with human? Yeah, someone else pmed me with that question. I don't know the answer, but I'm trying to look it up for you now. It does have avian DNA, however the virus is still H1N1. This virus has all of the building blocks for a recombination creating a mutation to an H5N1 virus even before it reaches Asia. Or it could hitch hike allowing easy infection by BOTH viruses at once........ |