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Vatican gives two thumbs up for Karl Marx after Darwin and Oscar Wilde

 
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Vatican gives two thumbs up for Karl Marx after Darwin and Oscar Wilde

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Karl Marx, who famously described religion as “the opium of the people”, has joined Galileo, Charles Darwin and Oscar Wilde on a growing list of historical figures to have undergone an unlikely reappraisal by the Roman Catholic Church.

L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, said yesterday that Marx’s early critiques of capitalism had highlighted the “social alienation” felt by the “large part of humanity” that remained excluded, even now, from economic and political decision-making.

Georg Sans, a German-born professor of the history of contemporary philosophy at the pontifical Gregorian University, wrote in an article that Marx’s work remained especially relevant today as mankind was seeking “a new harmony” between its needs and the natural environment. He also said that Marx’s theories may help to explain the enduring issue of income inequality within capitalist societies.

“We have to ask ourselves, with Marx, whether the forms of alienation of which he spoke have their origin in the capitalist system,” Professor Sans wrote. “If money as such does not multiply on its own, how are we to explain the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the few?”

With reassessments such as these it may be wondered which formerly unacceptable figure could be next. Last year the Vatican erected a statue of Galileo as a way of saying sorry for trying the astronomer in 1633 for his observation that the Earth moved around the Sun; in February a leading official declared Darwin’s theory of evolution compatible with the Christian faith, and in July L’Osservatore praised Oscar Wilde, the gay playwright, as “a man who behind a mask of amorality asked himself what was just and what was mistaken”.

Professor Sans argues that Marx’s intellectual legacy was marred by the misappropriation of his work by the communist regimes of the 20th century. “It is no exaggeration to say that nothing has damaged the interests of Marx the philosopher more than Marxism,” he said.

This overturns a century of Catholic hostility to his creed. Two years ago Benedict XVI singled out Marxism as one of the great scourges of the modern age. “The Marxist system, where it found its way into government, not only left a sad heritage of economic and ecological destruction, but also a painful destruction of the human spirit,” he told an audience in Brazil.

Then again the Pope has been busy reappraising modern capitalism. Benedict’s latest encyclical, Charity in Truth, offers a direct response to the recession, arguing that global capitalism has lost its way and that Church teachings can help to restore economic health by focusing on justice for the weak and closer regulation of the market.

His predecessor, John Paul II — who hated communism and as pontiff helped to bring it down in his native Poland — was keenly aware of the failings of the West and the effects of unbridled capitalism on post-communist societies.

Professor Sans’s view of Marx was not without criticism. He argued that Marx’s “materialist” view of history had wrongly reduced man to no more than a product of his material, economic and physical circumstances. He also said that after the fall of communism in 1989, few believed any more that private property was in itself wrong or unjust, and “given the experience of the past half century” no one believed that collectivisation of property was the answer.

Marx, who predicted that capitalism would be destroyed by its internal contradictions and be replaced by communism after a transitional period, was born in 1818 in Trier in Germany to Jewish parents. Although it was a majority Catholic town, his father, Heinrich, converted to Lutheran Protestantism to escape anti-Semitism.

Marx was baptised as a Christian, but he remained an atheist all his life. He once observed that “religion is the sign of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”

Marx was expelled from several European countries for his radical espousal of a working-class revolution. He moved to London in May 1849 and lived there until his death in 1883.

Professor Sans’s article was first published in La Civiltà Cattolica, a Jesuit paper, which is vetted in advance by the Vatican Secretariat of State. The decision to republish it in the Vatican newspaper gives it added papal endorsement.
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Communism was created by the Jesuits. Karl Marx was trained by Jesuits for nearly 30 years at the British Museum. Vladmir Lenin was trained by Jesuits in Geneva, Switzerland. Joseph Stalin was educated by Jesuit monks at Tiflis Seminary in Georgia. Mao Se Tung was Jesuit-trained and put into power by a Jesuit priest (Tielhard de Chardin).
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Yeah, some Jesuits are bad ... so what ? Some clowns and monkeys are evil too, so what ?
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Yeah, some Jesuits are bad ... so what ? Some clowns and monkeys are evil too, so what ?
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Re: Vatican gives two thumbs up for Karl Marx after Darwin and Oscar Wilde
Yes, Marx was in with the Templars and Jesuits to do just what they did, world revolution.

The pope has a history of liberation theology.
Thread: The Pope on Liberation Theology (Marxism) in his Church
So did the previous pope. As in liberating countries of their freedom.

But what does Oscar Wilde have to do with anything rofl wtf
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no clue

wait I found something

Wilde's sexual orientation has variously been considered bisexual or gay.[15] He had significant sexual relationships with (in chronological order) Frank Miles (probable), Constance Lloyd (Wilde's wife), Robbie Ross, and Lord Alfred Douglas (known as "Bosie"). Wilde also had numerous sexual encounters with young working-class men, who were often male prostitutes.

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Marxism aims to overthrow society the world over. World revolution involves destruction of governments, family and religion.

•Governments - by globalist anti-nationalist ideology; often involving "racism" - war - revolution.

•Family - feminism, sex-ed, homosexual propaganda, pornography and prostitution.

•Religion (Christianity) - produce corrupt Bible versions; attempts to discredit parts of the Bible with claims of evolution as being scientific; and challenges of the historicity of Jesus (knowing Romans destroyed many first century records).

The nature of Marxism as a religion has long been recognized by its critics. But what has not been generally recognized is Marxism's unique fusion of both ancient and modern heresies. It revives the most ancient of religious themes-social regeneration through systematic chaos-yet it defends this view in the name of modern science. It appeals to the basest motives of mankind-autonomy from God, institutionalized envy, and bloody revolution-yet it defends itself as being simultaneously the most moral and the most scientific of systems.

Few people know that Marx wrote a satanic play and wrote satanic poetry in his youth. But anyone who has read his early writings knows that his avowed enemies were not the capitalist but the Christians and the Jews. He hated God more than he hated capitalism.

"We must war against all prevailing ideas of religion, of the state, of country, of patriotism. The idea of God is the keynote of a perverted civilization. It must be destroyed." - Karl Marx





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