THIS JUST IN!!! NY Judge: Carrying a Gun is a Privilege, Need to Prove Why You Need It | |
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Housedad
GOD User ID: 1524508 United States 09/07/2011 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same thing in New Jersey. You have to show immediate and present danger to yourself to be able to carry. That means that someone is Obviously stalking you and has made an attempt on your life already. Even then, you better be famous or have some god friends in high places. I hate this state. sheesh There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT! -Men in Black |
haarp-acane
(OP) User ID: 1343616 United States 09/07/2011 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exactly! LOL Cause? The cause is to protect myself for the people that are carrying guns. Chicago, where I live is even more brutal- No hand guns period! I was forced to carry illegally for many years, working in the projects was quite an experience! |
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User ID: 1503533 United States 09/07/2011 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, and I'll bet said judge gets 24/7 police protection so he doesn't have to worry about the right of the average citizen to protect his or her self. Fuck him. (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
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(OP) User ID: 1343616 United States 09/07/2011 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same thing in New Jersey. You have to show immediate and present danger to yourself to be able to carry. Quoting: Housedad That means that someone is Obviously stalking you and has made an attempt on your life already. Even then, you better be famous or have some god friends in high places. I hate this state. sheesh Thats messed up man! Literally have to have your life in "provable" jeopardy before you can protect your self! Seems fair- NOT---That f-in BS! |
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User ID: 1435055 United States 09/07/2011 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exactly! LOL Cause? The cause is to protect myself for the people that are carrying guns. Chicago, where I live is even more brutal- No hand guns period! I was forced to carry illegally for many years, working in the projects was quite an experience! bring the judge to the gallows Judgement is coming.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1456261 United States 09/07/2011 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Although often cited the US Constitution pertains to the Federal Government and the people's and state's limitations of powers upon the Federal Government. But what can be found in these various State Constitutions that do not support and uphold that 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution? The power to infringe upon the individual's right to keep and BEAR (i.e., Carry) except for a State Constitution's reading to the contratry is reserved to the State and/or to the People (in general, collectively, and/or individually). The governing document would be the individual State's Constitution, as such power is by the US Constitution held in reserve to the States' and the People. TO me, Arms, means ANY type of weapon what so ever, that one can individually care, and to day that would even include nuclear weapons - and not to be limited to just firearms, knives, forks, sticks and stones. But hey, some would also hold that it is a PRIVILEDGE for any resident of the U.S.A. to draw breath. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1299368 United States 09/07/2011 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is just another prime example of why people need to start waking up! YOUR freedoms are going away, slipping right through the cracks and we still sleep! Quoting: haarp-acane Coming soon to a town near you!!!!! "No Cause, No Gun, Judge Tells Gun Lovers" Apparently we now have to prove what we need our guns for... Anybody else find this sickening! Just read this article for a tiny example of what we not hearing on the news! I give any credit from this article to Courthouse New Services- Direct link in on the bottom! " WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (CN) - Five Westchester residents and the Second Amendment Foundation cannot relax a law forcing citizens to demonstrate proper cause before they pack heat on public streets, a federal judge ruled. New York courts have interpreted "proper cause" as having a "special need for self-protection" as compared to the general population. "I hold that the state has an important government interest in promoting public safety and preventing crime," U.S. District Judge Cathy Seibel wrote in an order dismissing a class action challenging the regulation. Alan Kachalsky, Christina Nikolov, Eric Detmer, Johnnie Nance and Anna Marcucci-Nance say their applications for full-carry permits were rejected, even though they had all been trained in firearms and had spotless criminal records. Kachalsky claimed he had proper cause because "we live in a world where sporadic random violence might at any moment place one in a position where one needs to defend oneself or possibly others," court documents say. Judge Susan Cacace, his licensing officer, found that this explanation did not distinguish him from anybody else seeking a permit. Nikolov said she deserved a license because she passed three firearms safety courses with the National Rifle Association, showed a "calm demeanor" as a pilot and flight instructor, and had a higher likelihood of being the victim of violence as a transgender woman. Rejecting her request, Judge Jeffrey A. Cohen explained that a specific threat of violence against her was "conspicuously absent" from her application. Nance and Marcucci-Nance cited no special needs for full-carry permits, Judge Robert K. Holdman found. Detmer thought he satisfied the proper cause requirement as a federal law enforcement officer with the U.S. Coast Guard, but Judge Albert Lorenzo said his application contained "no justification" for a full-carry permit. Gaining the support of the Second Amendment Foundation, the five applicants filed a federal class action lawsuit against Westchester County and the four judges serving as licensing officers in late 2010. On Friday, Judge Seibel agreed that the plaintiffs had standing to pursue the case, but she granted summary judgment to the defendants sua sponte on the grounds that the state had the duty to protect public safety. In a footnote, she noted that the state attorneys argued in affidavits that gun crimes are linked to general availability, and citizens with concealed handguns can endanger cops stopping them. An affidavit also said that the "majority of criminal homicides and other serious crimes are committed by individuals who have not been convicted of a felony and would receive permits to carry concealed weapons without the 'proper cause' requirement." Data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives showed that 227 firearms were recovered during the first half of 2009 in Westchester, more than double those recovered in nearby Orange County and several times more than those recovered in Dutchess, Rockland, Sullivan and Putnam. The report also cited 132 weapon offenses in the Westchester region. Judge Seibel entered the 60-page opinion on Friday, preceding a particularly bloody Labor Day weekend in which 48 people were shot in New York City. Mayor Mike Bloomberg called for stricter gun-control laws Tuesday. " [link to www.courthousenews.com] Fuck him Its a right of every law abiding American, #2 Baby suck judge |
haarp-acane
(OP) User ID: 1343616 United States 09/07/2011 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just for 'honorable mention', Guns are not the only type of ARMS... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1456261 Although often cited the US Constitution pertains to the Federal Government and the people's and state's limitations of powers upon the Federal Government. But what can be found in these various State Constitutions that do not support and uphold that 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution? The power to infringe upon the individual's right to keep and BEAR (i.e., Carry) except for a State Constitution's reading to the contratry is reserved to the State and/or to the People (in general, collectively, and/or individually). The governing document would be the individual State's Constitution, as such power is by the US Constitution held in reserve to the States' and the People. TO me, Arms, means ANY type of weapon what so ever, that one can individually care, and to day that would even include nuclear weapons - and not to be limited to just firearms, knives, forks, sticks and stones. But hey, some would also hold that it is a PRIVILEDGE for any resident of the U.S.A. to draw breath. Excellent point! +1 |
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MONSTER
User ID: 1339904 United States 09/07/2011 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Philly you have to give a reason but "personal protection" is acceptable. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1389551 I didnt think anyone could carry a gun on them anyway. KINGDOMS, NATIONS AND KINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THEIR KNEES WITH ONE GLANCE FROM A WOMAN. I WEAR MY SKIN OF ARMOR SO NO ONE CAN GET IN AND NO ONE CAN GET OUT. HOW CAN I MOURN YOU, WHEN I HAVE NEVER LET YOU GO, monster 1991-2008 RIP |
nomind
User ID: 904314 Canada 09/07/2011 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I think people who feel a need to walk around packing iron all day, when they aren't in any kind of dangerous occupation that would warrant it.. are people with mental instabilities or deep insecurity issues. My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
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Project_Deimos
User ID: 1208235 United States 09/07/2011 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meanwhile Holder and Obama use tax-dollars to buy guns for drug cartel members! Is this the twilight zone? I actually think I'm in it. "There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know." |
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User ID: 1208235 United States 09/07/2011 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I think people who feel a need to walk around packing iron all day, when they aren't in any kind of dangerous occupation that would warrant it.. are people with mental instabilities or deep insecurity issues. Quoting: nomind Tell that to the people in IHOP the other day. Think they could have used some "iron"? I sure as shit think they could have. Last Edited by Project_Deimos on 09/07/2011 01:06 PM "There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know." |
nomind
User ID: 904314 Canada 09/07/2011 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I think people who feel a need to walk around packing iron all day, when they aren't in any kind of dangerous occupation that would warrant it.. are people with mental instabilities or deep insecurity issues. Quoting: nomind Tell that to the people in IHOP the other day. Think they could have used some "iron"? I sure as shit think they could have. Imagine the even bigger bloodbath it would have been had it turned into a prolonged shootout, how many more people would have been hurt or killed, not to mention the legal issues that would be thrown at whomever drew a gun other than the bad guys Last Edited by nomind on 09/07/2011 01:13 PM My Interesting Karma messages: - "You are an idiot. This post proves it." -"GLP MEMBERS BEWARE!!! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT SHILL." - Most moranic one given to me: When you type ".." you need to put three dots instead of two. Thread: Nibiru, or how to appear like you know what you are talking about |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2886 United States 09/07/2011 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is just another prime example of why people need to start waking up! YOUR freedoms are going away, slipping right through the cracks and we still sleep! Quoting: haarp-acane Coming soon to a town near you!!!!! "No Cause, No Gun, Judge Tells Gun Lovers" Apparently we now have to prove what we need our guns for... Anybody else find this sickening! Just read this article for a tiny example of what we not hearing on the news! I give any credit from this article to Courthouse New Services- Direct link in on the bottom! " WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (CN) - Five Westchester residents and the Second Amendment Foundation cannot relax a law forcing citizens to demonstrate proper cause before they pack heat on public streets, a federal judge ruled. New York courts have interpreted "proper cause" as having a "special need for self-protection" as compared to the general population. "I hold that the state has an important government interest in promoting public safety and preventing crime," U.S. District Judge Cathy Seibel wrote in an order dismissing a class action challenging the regulation. Alan Kachalsky, Christina Nikolov, Eric Detmer, Johnnie Nance and Anna Marcucci-Nance say their applications for full-carry permits were rejected, even though they had all been trained in firearms and had spotless criminal records. Kachalsky claimed he had proper cause because "we live in a world where sporadic random violence might at any moment place one in a position where one needs to defend oneself or possibly others," court documents say. Judge Susan Cacace, his licensing officer, found that this explanation did not distinguish him from anybody else seeking a permit. Nikolov said she deserved a license because she passed three firearms safety courses with the National Rifle Association, showed a "calm demeanor" as a pilot and flight instructor, and had a higher likelihood of being the victim of violence as a transgender woman. Rejecting her request, Judge Jeffrey A. Cohen explained that a specific threat of violence against her was "conspicuously absent" from her application. Nance and Marcucci-Nance cited no special needs for full-carry permits, Judge Robert K. Holdman found. Detmer thought he satisfied the proper cause requirement as a federal law enforcement officer with the U.S. Coast Guard, but Judge Albert Lorenzo said his application contained "no justification" for a full-carry permit. Gaining the support of the Second Amendment Foundation, the five applicants filed a federal class action lawsuit against Westchester County and the four judges serving as licensing officers in late 2010. On Friday, Judge Seibel agreed that the plaintiffs had standing to pursue the case, but she granted summary judgment to the defendants sua sponte on the grounds that the state had the duty to protect public safety. In a footnote, she noted that the state attorneys argued in affidavits that gun crimes are linked to general availability, and citizens with concealed handguns can endanger cops stopping them. An affidavit also said that the "majority of criminal homicides and other serious crimes are committed by individuals who have not been convicted of a felony and would receive permits to carry concealed weapons without the 'proper cause' requirement." Data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives showed that 227 firearms were recovered during the first half of 2009 in Westchester, more than double those recovered in nearby Orange County and several times more than those recovered in Dutchess, Rockland, Sullivan and Putnam. The report also cited 132 weapon offenses in the Westchester region. Judge Seibel entered the 60-page opinion on Friday, preceding a particularly bloody Labor Day weekend in which 48 people were shot in New York City. Mayor Mike Bloomberg called for stricter gun-control laws Tuesday. " [link to www.courthousenews.com] The 2nd Amendment from the Constitution's Bill of Rights: Second Amendment - Bearing Arms Amendment Text | Annotations A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Annotations Prior to the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller,1 the courts had yet to definitively state what right the Second Amendment protected. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, were (1) an "individual rights" approach, whereby the Amendment protected individuals' rights to firearm ownership, possession, and transportation; and (2) a "states' rights" approach, under which the Amendment only protected the right to keep and bear arms in connection with organized state militia units.2 Moreover, it was generally believed that the Amendment was only a bar to federal action, not to state or municipal restraints.3 However, the Supreme Court has now definitively held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that weapon for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Moreover, this right applies not just to the federal government, but to states and municipalities as well. In Heller, the Court held that (1) the District of Columbia's total ban on handgun possession in the home amounted to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly chose for the lawful purpose of self-defense, and thus violated the Second Amendment; and (2) the District's requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock also violated the Second Amendment, because the law made it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense. The Court reasoned that the Amendment's prefatory clause, i.e., "[a] well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," announced the Amendment's purpose, but did not limit or expand the scope of the operative clause, i.e., "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Moreover, the prefatory clause's history comported with the Court's interpretation, because the prefatory clause stemmed from the Anti-Federalists' concern that the federal government would disarm the people in order to disable the citizens' militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. Further, the Court distinguished United States v.Miller,4 in which the Court upheld a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed-off shotguns, on the ground that Miller limited the type of weapon to which the Second Amendment right applied to those in common use for lawful purposes. In McDonald v. Chicago,5 the Court struck down laws enacted by Chicago and the village of Oak Park effectively banning handgun possession by almost all private citizens, holding that the Fourteenth Amendment incorporated the Second Amendment right, recognized in Heller, to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense. The Court reasoned that this right is fundamental to the nation's scheme of ordered liberty, given that self-defense was a basic right recognized by many legal systems from ancient times to the present, and Heller held that individual self-defense was "the central component" of the Second Amendment right. Moreover, a survey of the contemporaneous history also demonstrated clearly that the Fourteenth Amendment's Framers and ratifiers counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to the Nation's system of ordered liberty. [link to caselaw.lp.findlaw.com] |
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User ID: 1420315 United States 09/07/2011 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On Friday, Judge Seibel agreed that the plaintiffs had standing to pursue the case, but she granted summary judgment to the defendants sua sponte on the grounds that the state had the duty to protect public safety. Quoting: haarp-acane In a footnote, she noted that the state attorneys argued in affidavits that gun crimes are linked to general availability, and citizens with concealed handguns can endanger cops stopping them. An affidavit also said that the "majority of criminal homicides and other serious crimes are committed by individuals who have not been convicted of a felony and would receive permits to carry concealed weapons without the 'proper cause' requirement." [link to www.courthousenews.com] This federal judge has been ill-informed in this case. She should have seen the crime statistics of conceal carry in Texas. Law enforcement officers commit more crimes in Texas than do licensed concealed carry individuals. To wit: [link to www.txdps.state.tx.us] 7 Billion people on the planet! That's a BIG number! And I am one. |
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