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Cops Using Tasers on Pregnant Women: OK?

 
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It's funny, only the State can force an individual to sign a contract under duress...and they call it "legal".
 Quoting: Shingen


I'm being pedantic for the sake of it, but that depends on the definition of a contract.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


If the document requires the signatures of two or more parties, it's a legal contract.
 Quoting: Shingen


If one of the parties is fully armed and prepared and willing (has intent) to use lethal force against the other if he or she does not sign, no reasonable person would see that as a valid contract, signatures or not.

Contracts are between equals.
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It's funny, only the State can force an individual to sign a contract under duress...and they call it "legal".
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Re: Cops Using Tasers on Pregnant Women: OK?
Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


Unbelievable. So your counsel is to be a fawning, servile bootlicker?
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Apparently
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Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
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Really? Do as you are ordered?? Who is any human to order any other human? "STOP RESISTING!", Things only cops and rapists say for 200 alex..
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05/18/2012 06:20 PM
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Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


Unbelievable. So your counsel is to be a fawning, servile bootlicker?
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Apparently
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16274072


All they need now is to Taze some mentally retarded pregnant women in wheels chairs.... I bet that would make them feel like a MAN !
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05/18/2012 06:21 PM
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In our country police are trained to take insults and respond accordingly, which is calming the situation and not tasering.
But I don't know, I would assume most police in America is trained the same. It is just a big ass country so these unprofessional things have a higher chance of occurring, right?
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05/18/2012 06:21 PM
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Re: Cops Using Tasers on Pregnant Women: OK?
Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


sheep
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10309146


Baaaaaaaah. I'm not saying the women wasn't wrong but it was a traffic ticket. What's next, tasering kids for spitting out their gum in public. There are tickets for these things and usually it works without the use of violence.
 Quoting: Venus Alcyone


Oh, yes, maybe next time the cop should just beg her to "please" sign it. No, when a cop tells you to do something just do it, or he or she is going to make you do it!

"Ask first, then Tell, then FORCE" is how it goes. It seems like some people just want anarchy with no respect for the law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


When someone that my tax dollars pay to serve and protect me doesn't know the difference between the law and abuse of power because he/she is carrying a gun, there is more than a serious problem.

NO ONE can MAKE a person sign something.
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05/18/2012 06:22 PM
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The paper you sign is saying you will appear in court. If you dont sign it, you are to be arrested and hauled off to jail until your sign the paper saying you will appear, or stay in jail until your court date.

If she resisted arrest then tasing is warrented.

Tasing is not warrented for failure to sign.
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She should have signed it UCC 1-308...

But then again... a Taze happy Moron of a cop would Taze you anyway...
 Quoting: RedDemonSlayer


Would we be debating over whether a cop should shock a pregnant woman (or anyone for that matter) if this was 1972, instead of 2012?

We sure have come a long way since I was a kid.

What's next?

Torching old ladies with flamethrowers for jaywalking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16274072


Yes. The fact that the issue of tasering pregnant women is even an issue is disgusting. Or anyone for that matter as you say.

Pain compliance. Does anyone realize how ugly this is? Why do people embrace this? The degraded and morally dead support this.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


People who embrace the use of cattle prods (euphemistically called tasers) and bear spray (euphemistically called pepper spray) to control human beings and force them to be obedient see either themselves or others as (domestic or wild) animals to be controlled. Cattle, or Savages.

Actually that insults animals, who don't ordinarily attack their own with lethal force in a natural state, and especially not females and the young.
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05/18/2012 06:23 PM
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... before the mind your own business insults come as they usually do ... I'm an American.
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Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
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ok BRIEF

whatever
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Re: Cops Using Tasers on Pregnant Women: OK?
Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


Unbelievable. So your counsel is to be a fawning, servile bootlicker?
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Apparently
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16274072


All they need now is to Taze some mentally retarded pregnant women in wheels chairs.... I bet that would make them feel like a MAN !
 Quoting: RedDemonSlayer


They probably already have, and I'm sure it does.
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I often wondered where all the traitors come from in the USA.
I finally realized most of you boot lickers are not traitors, your just brain dead fucking stupid! You worship the out of control cops no matter the cost. I bet you would stand, and cheer the cop on as he murders your family! Let me see if I can draw it in crayon for you public educated douche bags! The cops are servants, not masters! You have God given rights if you are a US citizen. Those rights can not be suspended! Those rights can not be voted away! Cops do not have the right to torture someone into submission, just because it gives him or her a hard on! They only have the right to use force if their lives are in danger! Are you so brain dead, inbred fucking stupid, you can not grasp this? Thank God when the shit hits the fan, you boot lickers, and dick suckers, will be the first to die! We do not need you, do not want you! Go hang yourselves!
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05/18/2012 06:32 PM
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Re: Cops Using Tasers on Pregnant Women: OK?
Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


I agree you have to totally submit to the police, in any fashion they so require they are the law of the land.
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05/18/2012 06:33 PM
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I think after the second trimester it should be okay, but they should be required to do a non-stress test after tasing the mother, to assess fetal viability.
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05/18/2012 06:34 PM
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It's funny, only the State can force an individual to sign a contract under duress...and they call it "legal".
 Quoting: Shingen


I'm being pedantic for the sake of it, but that depends on the definition of a contract.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


If the document requires the signatures of two or more parties, it's a legal contract.
 Quoting: Shingen


If one of the parties is fully armed and prepared and willing (has intent) to use lethal force against the other if he or she does not sign, no reasonable person would see that as a valid contract, signatures or not.

Contracts are between equals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15770786


This is correct. Being forced or threatened into a contract makes the contract unenforceable in any U.S. court. Plus kicking the police department's ass in court beats getting tased on the side of the road. Sign the ticket, win later.
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05/18/2012 06:39 PM
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I often wondered where all the traitors come from in the USA.
I finally realized most of you boot lickers are not traitors, your just brain dead fucking stupid! You worship the out of control cops no matter the cost. I bet you would stand, and cheer the cop on as he murders your family! Let me see if I can draw it in crayon for you public educated douche bags! The cops are servants, not masters! You have God given rights if you are a US citizen. Those rights can not be suspended! Those rights can not be voted away! Cops do not have the right to torture someone into submission, just because it gives him or her a hard on! They only have the right to use force if their lives are in danger! Are you so brain dead, inbred fucking stupid, you can not grasp this? Thank God when the shit hits the fan, you boot lickers, and dick suckers, will be the first to die! We do not need you, do not want you! Go hang yourselves!
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Amen.
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05/18/2012 06:42 PM
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Well, I just finished licking my boots, so now, well, I guess I'm going to hang myself.
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Re: Cops Using Tasers on Pregnant Women: OK?
I think after the second trimester it should be okay, but they should be required to do a non-stress test after tasing the mother, to assess fetal viability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16270089


One can only hope that you are being sarcastic. If not, what then, do you suppose should happen to the officer if he/she killed the BABY???
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It's funny, only the State can force an individual to sign a contract under duress...and they call it "legal".
 Quoting: Shingen


I'm being pedantic for the sake of it, but that depends on the definition of a contract.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


If the document requires the signatures of two or more parties, it's a legal contract.
 Quoting: Shingen


If one of the parties is fully armed and prepared and willing (has intent) to use lethal force against the other if he or she does not sign, no reasonable person would see that as a valid contract, signatures or not.

Contracts are between equals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15770786


...and yet the State can still force an individual to sign a contract under duress.

Don't sign? Get assaulted and thrown in a cage. That sounds like duress to me.

It is law that makes something lawful or unlawful. It is the State that makes something legal or illegal.

There is a difference between legal and lawful.

Last Edited by Shingen on 05/18/2012 06:48 PM
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Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
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BRIEF ,DAT YOU?
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This is not acceptable. I hope these women sue for everything these cops are worth.
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Well, I just finished licking my boots, so now, well, I guess I'm going to hang myself.
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I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!! If you hang yourself by your neck til you die. I will give you one MILLION DOLLARS CASH!!!!
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I think after the second trimester it should be okay, but they should be required to do a non-stress test after tasing the mother, to assess fetal viability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16270089


One can only hope that you are being sarcastic. If not, what then, do you suppose should happen to the officer if he/she killed the BABY???
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Two weeks paid leave and a promotion?
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Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
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Spoken like a true Brown Shirt.
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I think after the second trimester it should be okay, but they should be required to do a non-stress test after tasing the mother, to assess fetal viability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16270089


One can only hope that you are being sarcastic. If not, what then, do you suppose should happen to the officer if he/she killed the BABY???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16208517


Maybe the cop could go to court and claim the baby threatened to leap out of the womb at him and strangle him with its umbilical cord so he was in fear for his life?

The mother wasn't armed, but the baby was.
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I think after the second trimester it should be okay, but they should be required to do a non-stress test after tasing the mother, to assess fetal viability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16270089


One can only hope that you are being sarcastic. If not, what then, do you suppose should happen to the officer if he/she killed the BABY???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16208517


Two weeks paid leave and a promotion?
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Are you really Brief's mom? Please share some secrets with me. Who is Brief's daddy? Is it his uncle, or his grandpa? (Your brother, or your dad?) What state, and Trailer park you from? Have you ever been on Springer? Have you ever caught brief screwing the neighbor's cat? did you drop him on his head as a child, or throw him down hard? Whisper it in my ear, I won't tell anyone else!
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I often wondered where all the traitors come from in the USA.
I finally realized most of you boot lickers are not traitors, your just brain dead fucking stupid! You worship the out of control cops no matter the cost. I bet you would stand, and cheer the cop on as he murders your family! Let me see if I can draw it in crayon for you public educated douche bags! The cops are servants, not masters! You have God given rights if you are a US citizen. Those rights can not be suspended! Those rights can not be voted away! Cops do not have the right to torture someone into submission, just because it gives him or her a hard on! They only have the right to use force if their lives are in danger! Are you so brain dead, inbred fucking stupid, you can not grasp this? Thank God when the shit hits the fan, you boot lickers, and dick suckers, will be the first to die! We do not need you, do not want you! Go hang yourselves!
 Quoting: can of whoop ass


Crude as F!!!! But sooo true. Who is any man to "dictate" any other human to "stop resisting". Someone on this thread said 1. cop 2. rapist. brilliant!
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What happened to the "refused to sign". It used to be that if a violator refused to sign, the officer just wrote on the ticket that the person refused to sign, gave them their copy and went about his business. No problems, no tasers , no shooting. The violator would then have to explain to the judge the reason for refusing to sign.
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Pretty simple -- if you are pregnant and don't want to get tased don't mouth of to a cop! Like the stupid bitch who refused to sign the ticket. Do as you are ordered during police encounters and you can save yourself from suffering bad consequences ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244


Is that you Eric??!!?
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Electro-torturing a pregnant woman who doesn't want to sign a piece of paper is not "OK".
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Yes it is, look at all the Amerikan comments, they would love to see her shocked several times, tortured and most likely raped. They want the system to be as brutal as possible and then they will call her names like tard and she should just bow down and kiss ass like they do.
The Amerikan is fast becoming the most dispassionate, unthinking ego maniacal, bigoted, fear led, cruel, robotic peoples on the whole earth, even before machete wielding yardies. I feel for the Americans, they are falling faster than their ruler Lucifer's puppets can sever the strings. Sad times.





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