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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raymond Pritchett ‏@Galrahn 2m Chinese tourism companies just indefinitely canceled all tours from China to North Korea. Notice went up about 2145 Shanghai time Last Edited by ClydeX on 04/09/2013 12:36 PM Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32964734 United States 04/09/2013 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | coincidence? Military analysts have already warned about the possibility of North Korea exploding a high altitude nuclear device high above the continental United States using a “Super EMP” weapon capable of disabling the power grid in the lower 48 states. The North Korean space launch vehicle, a ‘weather’ satellite put into space in December of 2012 and carrying an unknown payload, will be passing over the geographic heart of the United States on April 10th. Curiously, the 10th is the same day that North Korean officials warned they would no longer be able to provide protection for foreign embassy officials in Pyongyang. [link to www.shtfplan.com] |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | coincidence? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32964734 Military analysts have already warned about the possibility of North Korea exploding a high altitude nuclear device high above the continental United States using a “Super EMP” weapon capable of disabling the power grid in the lower 48 states. The North Korean space launch vehicle, a ‘weather’ satellite put into space in December of 2012 and carrying an unknown payload, will be passing over the geographic heart of the United States on April 10th. Curiously, the 10th is the same day that North Korean officials warned they would no longer be able to provide protection for foreign embassy officials in Pyongyang. [link to www.shtfplan.com] No coincidences, no accidents Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3021656 Canada 04/09/2013 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | coincidence? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32964734 Military analysts have already warned about the possibility of North Korea exploding a high altitude nuclear device high above the continental United States using a “Super EMP” weapon capable of disabling the power grid in the lower 48 states. The North Korean space launch vehicle, a ‘weather’ satellite put into space in December of 2012 and carrying an unknown payload, will be passing over the geographic heart of the United States on April 10th. Curiously, the 10th is the same day that North Korean officials warned they would no longer be able to provide protection for foreign embassy officials in Pyongyang. [link to www.shtfplan.com] No coincidences, no accidents And NOTHING happening! :zombiecat: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26761892 United States 04/09/2013 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is an upside to an increase in espionage (ie; new cold war), the tourism at the Grand Canyon will greatly pick up again....lol! |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the excellent thread.... Quoting: littlemiracles Not what I wanted to read though this morning... :( It can be a sobering thought. Those posting here with "what time", "nothing will happen", or flying the "BS" flag have not read the OP. I've no intention of defining whether "something" happens or not, but rather discussion that regardless of action/ inaction - the repercussions will be long-running and deep-reaching beyond the NK/ SK region. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
GuidedOne
User ID: 37724376 Lebanon 04/09/2013 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This North Korea situation will signal the players in the NEW "Cold War". IT will end the U.S as tne single decision maker, it will show that Russia, China, N.Korea and Iran along with Assad's Syria are one bloc, united together. On the other hand, the U.S and U.K will remain the two powers, but nations like Germany and the EU may choose to remain neutral although the U.S will ask them not to do so. As for the struggle, well its gonna be the Middle East, Syria right now is the battleground, no matter what you hear on MSM or otherwise, Syria is a stalemate. But if Syria falls, the Russian bloc suffers greatly as Hizbollah is disconnected and Iraq is vulnerable from the Al Qaeda and Sunni Takfeeri groups who will form bases in Syria. It is about who is gonna blink first and make concessions. However from what I see on CNN Obama seems to be more worried about gay marriage and embroiling himself in a gun issue. Obama is weak and I predict he will cave in first. Even if Assad is about to fall, the Iraqi Shia and Hizballah will intervene directly. This aint no game to us Shia, we are fighting in Syria till the death. Id rather die enormous than live dormant Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in |
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for your post, but it would be damned dog. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
DogEye
User ID: 31976295 United States 04/09/2013 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that the US cancelling our own missile testing gave Lil' Kim a way out of this mess. He can save face with his people by saying that we were afraid of the power of the DPRK and cancelled. He could spin it in his favor. Quoting: TwoPlusTwins An excellant point - even if it is likely lost on Kim and his enablers. Seems obvious that he could simply state "our strength and conviction forced the US to stand down and be weak." It would pass with his people. Ironically, standing down by the US is a subtle sign of strength - finding a way for him to dig himself out. It puts him in a far more limited position in terms of action the world will see as justified. Even if it is equally true that the US's other actions are every bit as responsible for the amped up situation. If you want to run with the big dogs you can't pee like a puppy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34255868 Canada 04/09/2013 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes - at the VERY least, a heightened Cold War that will leave the prior between US/ USSR to pale in comparison. How many here are old enough to remember that? Now think of it with today's technology - the espionage alone would be mind-boggling. I remember it quite well, including the Cuban missile crises. There is one big factor that we had then that will not work now. The doctrine of mutually assured destruction that we had with the USSR at the time. MAD will not work with the multiple parties that are involved now. This factor alone makes a multi-party cold war a much more risky proposition. Throw in small rogue nuclear capable factors and we are definitely starting to roll the dice. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35358791 United Kingdom 04/09/2013 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people. Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions. I completely agree with you on that! |
SuperPet225
User ID: 36088786 Colombia 04/09/2013 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | let's not forget the Korean leader used to play a lot of video games while in high school and college, a lot of doom and quake and who knows what else, so this war might seem to him like a video game and that could be risky, he might not be mature enough to make such a difficult decision as to attack or not, but he might make a deliberate, unthinking, sentimental feeling driven choice which might be catastrophic, unless he's not making the shots and he's just a pawn being used by someone else and someone else is actually the one who will make the call. SuperPet225 |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes - at the VERY least, a heightened Cold War that will leave the prior between US/ USSR to pale in comparison. How many here are old enough to remember that? Now think of it with today's technology - the espionage alone would be mind-boggling. I remember it quite well, including the Cuban missile crises. There is one big factor that we had then that will not work now. The doctrine of mutually assured destruction that we had with the USSR at the time. MAD will not work with the multiple parties that are involved now. This factor alone makes a multi-party cold war a much more risky proposition. Throw in small rogue nuclear capable factors and we are definitely starting to roll the dice. I do agree with you with regard to MAD, however, even Kennedy was a strong enough leader to face it head-on. I'm no great Kennedy fan, but he was head and shoulders above what is masquerading as a leader in the US currently. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | let's not forget the Korean leader used to play a lot of video games while in high school and college, a lot of doom and quake and who knows what else, so this war might seem to him like a video game and that could be risky, he might not be mature enough to make such a difficult decision as to attack or not, but he might make a deliberate, unthinking, sentimental feeling driven choice which might be catastrophic, unless he's not making the shots and he's just a pawn being used by someone else and someone else is actually the one who will make the call. Quoting: SuperPet225 There is a fair amount of discussion regarding who is actually calling the shots for the future of NK (Aunt/ Uncle/ both) from behind the scenes. There is just as much discussion regarding the possibility of Yong Un being set up to be harshly taken down. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17845378 United States 04/09/2013 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP! If have Twitter - keep an eye on this Poster n his recent tweets - he seems to be in the loop with others on watching the next step of Space and Missile Defense, And defense related blog reporting [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
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Maguyver
User ID: 808852 United States 04/09/2013 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Post. I believe the time line may be out a bit longer than today, but seems that NK is pushing boundries and seeking legitamicy among world powers, albeit via the wrong tact. This young leader appears to want to get to the edge of conflict and if there's no retaliation, he wins. ...off point, but I wonder who launched the missle of California a few years ago. Could that have been the beginning of this standoff? Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP! If have Twitter - keep an eye on this Poster n his recent tweets - Quoting: Indysmindy he seems to be in the loop with others on watching the next step of Space and Missile Defense, And defense related blog reporting [link to twitter.com (secure)] Thank you - I don't have twitter, but you are more than welcome to post any relevant updates here. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17845378 United States 04/09/2013 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to twitter.com (secure)] Nathan J Hunt @ISNJH Space and Missile Defense, And defense related blog reporting. [link to www.interceptorshield.com] Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 4m @jarrettwold also if #ROK had not already pulled remaining workers from Kaesong they should have as a caution before DPRK missile test. View conversation Reply Retweet Favorite More Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 12m @jarrettwold it is possible but if punishment it would have made sense to have canceled it days ago as part of warning to have full affect. View conversation NK NEWS ‏@nknewsorg 35m Important to note "Explore North Korea" focuses on European / American tourists, not Chinese - so ban significant: [link to DON'T_USE-THIS] Retweeted by Nathan J Hunt Expand Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 31m @TheReallyRick very likely, should be noted at time of bordering island shelling China did not stop tours only advised extra caution. View conversation Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 32m Mainstream news site that monitors news from #DPRK reporting about tour cancellations [link to www.nknews.org] … h/t at @galrahn Expand Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 35m If China is truly canceling tours to DPRK further indication something is about to take place. Expand Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 36m #rumint Chinese tourism companies reportedly canceled all tours from China to #DPRK indefinitely.. Expand Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 37m @Galrahn notice or link to new report? View conversation Raymond Pritchett ‏@Galrahn 39m Chinese tourism companies just indefinitely canceled all tours from China to North Korea. Notice went up about 2145 Shanghai time. Retweeted by Nathan J Hunt Expand Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 1h realizing that when it is 9th in US it would be 10th in Korea two dates marked important by DPRK. Expand Steve Herman ‏@W7VOA 2h Some senators upset that Minuteman 3 test was postponed so as not to further antagonize #DPRK. Retweeted by Nathan J Hunt Expand Steve Herman ‏@W7VOA 2h Adm. Locklear: Range of Musudan moved to #DPRK east coast has minimum range of 400 miles & max of 3500 miles. Retweeted by Nathan J Hunt Expand Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 10h well what ever happens, stay safe man.. Expand Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 10h Getting a really bad feeling about tomorrow.. Expand Steve Herman ‏@W7VOA 10h (North) #Korean Central Broadcasting Station interrupted regular programming to carry the statement about foreigners in #ROK at 1434KST. Retweeted by Nathan J Hunt Expand Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 10h KCNA reportedly warns foreigners to have evacuation measures ready in ROK.. Expand Steve Herman ‏@W7VOA 11h #DPRK warns foreigners in #ROK they should have "evacuation" plans. #Korea |
Maguyver
User ID: 808852 United States 04/09/2013 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My love is in the form of a General Electric Mini Gun- 6,000 rpm I got an extra if you need one Comedian. I'll donate it too! Oh...no....the Dillon Aero is lighter and more versitile. Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Post. Quoting: Maguyver I believe the time line may be out a bit longer than today, but seems that NK is pushing boundries and seeking legitamicy among world powers, albeit via the wrong tact. This young leader appears to want to get to the edge of conflict and if there's no retaliation, he wins. ...off point, but I wonder who launched the missle of California a few years ago. Could that have been the beginning of this standoff? Thanks! And you know that was a plane... thinking otherwise means you're crazy or on the fringe, or so I've been told. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My love is in the form of a General Electric Mini Gun- 6,000 rpm I got an extra if you need one Comedian. I'll donate it too! Oh...no....the Dillon Aero is lighter and more versitile. Pffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttt ---------------- I'm not picky; either will suffice. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Gunnz, lots of Gunnz
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18723832 United States 04/09/2013 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are getting ready o witness the battle between the West (NATO) and the East(BRICS). This battle is fortold by biblical prophecy, but the bible has been changed over the centuries. This war will be the militaries of the world meeting in Syria and it will cuminate with the winner having control of the world's resources and gets to shape their own NWO as they see fit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24061376 United States 04/09/2013 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From NK perspective....all it has to do is tell its people that it launched, US was destroyed and they can all live happily ever after. It will show old japanese footage of the nuke destruction and the people will rejoice and worship Kim Jung Un forever as a god. meanwhile, the international community will let go of a few billion to quiet him down and we get back to normal living till he needs another bill or two in $$, then we repeat the process. He learned it from his dad, but he is taking it further for more money i would guess. |