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User ID: 1707881 United States 10/02/2013 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see everybody has their doom goggles on. Just remember with the import/export reality between China & the US, our economies are practically intertwined, so it wouldn't be in the Chinese best interest to do anything that would seriously disrupt that relationship. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 dude, that has been debunked over and over... [link to www.alt-market.com] To wit: Bank bailouts, mortgage company bailouts, Treasury bond bailouts, stock market bailouts, bailouts of foreign institutions: None of this seems to faze the gibbering bobbleheaded followers of the Federal Reserve cult. Logic and reason and wisdom bounce like whiffle balls off their thick skulls. They simply parrot one of two painfully predictable arguments: Argument No. 1: There is no way foreign countries will ever dump the U.S. dollar because they are so dependent on American consumers to buy their export goods. Argument No. 2: There is no way the dollar’s value will ever collapse because it is the dominant petro-currency, and the entire world needs dollars to purchase oil. I have written literally hundreds of articles over the years dismantling the first argument, pointing out undeniable signals that include: * China’s subtle dumping of the dollar — using bilateral trade agreements with other developing nations and, more recently, major economic powers like Germany and Japan * The massive gold-buying spree undertaken by China and Russia — even in the face of extreme market manipulation by JPMorgan Chase and Co. and CME Group Inc. * The dumping of long-term U.S. Treasuries by foreign creditors in exchange for short-term Treasuries that can be liquidated at a moment’s notice. * The fact that bonds now are supported almost entirely by Fed stimulus. When the stimulus ends, America’s ability to honor foreign debts will end and faith in the dollar will crumble. * Blatant statements by the International Monetary Fund calling for the end of the dollar’s world reserve status and the institution of special drawing rights (SDRs) as a replacement. Last Edited by PANIK on 10/02/2013 08:58 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36403390 New Zealand 10/02/2013 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the FED paying China? If it is paying in dollars then China is no better off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27586925 If it is paying in gold - where is the FED getting the gold? China is buying gold directly from mines and refiners, also quite likely directly via the LBMA - though we're not privy to that info. Have a look at gold imports for the last few years... and that's just the "official" numbers. China is also the largest domestic gold producer and they don't export any of it. China produces more gold than any other country, according to every international analyst I have ever seen, even though they are suspected of grossly under-reporting their production. Stop and think about that for a minute... who would benefit more from a Gold Standard than China? NOBODY Who has the US and NATO gone after for trading gold directly for oil, rather than brokering all deals in USD? Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, so far... As oil becomes more scarce and more valuable, every play for power will focus on this one resource, and the means for securing it. Nat.Gas, solar, geothermal, barking frogs... anything that produces energy is good, but there is still no replacement for OIL as fuel for wholesale transportation of goods... WITHOUT OIL, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY So if the world returns to gold as it's standard currency, then China will have first claim on much of the world's oil, because they will be able to pay the "going rate" - hell, they'll be able to SET the going rate. The only nations which will be able to fight their dominance will be Russia and the US. We are the only two nations with sufficient domestic oil, and the military to use it to project force internationally, to compete against China on en economic playing field defined by GOLD. If the US collapses economically, then China's biggest competitor will essentially be "out of business"... So, if they play this correctly, China could be in control of 75% of all international trade within 20 years. Don't think they haven't contemplated this scenario... . Any questions? oil is not getting more scarce we have made more HUGE discoveries that dwarf all the oil ever used the North Slope in Alaska found MASSIVE amounts of oil in 2007---billions upon billions of barrels I know an engineer up there but it never broke the news big Brazil found a super massive deposit Israel/Lebanon/Cyprus found Leviathan---a super massive deposit Australia just recently found a huge deposit oil is not scarce or running out or even limited at this time the whole scarcity thing was a scam to inflate prices oil is abiotic |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36403390 New Zealand 10/02/2013 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see everybody has their doom goggles on. Just remember with the import/export reality between China & the US, our economies are practically intertwined, so it wouldn't be in the Chinese best interest to do anything that would seriously disrupt that relationship. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 dude, that has been debunked over and over... [link to www.alt-market.com] To wit: Bank bailouts, mortgage company bailouts, Treasury bond bailouts, stock market bailouts, bailouts of foreign institutions: None of this seems to faze the gibbering bobbleheaded followers of the Federal Reserve cult. Logic and reason and wisdom bounce like whiffle balls off their thick skulls. They simply parrot one of two painfully predictable arguments: Argument No. 1: There is no way foreign countries will ever dump the U.S. dollar because they are so dependent on American consumers to buy their export goods. Argument No. 2: There is no way the dollar’s value will ever collapse because it is the dominant petro-currency, and the entire world needs dollars to purchase oil. I have written literally hundreds of articles over the years dismantling the first argument, pointing out undeniable signals that include: * China’s subtle dumping of the dollar — using bilateral trade agreements with other developing nations and, more recently, major economic powers like Germany and Japan * The massive gold-buying spree undertaken by China and Russia — even in the face of extreme market manipulation by JPMorgan Chase and Co. and CME Group Inc. * The dumping of long-term U.S. Treasuries by foreign creditors in exchange for short-term Treasuries that can be liquidated at a moment’s notice. * The fact that bonds now are supported almost entirely by Fed stimulus. When the stimulus ends, America’s ability to honor foreign debts will end and faith in the dollar will crumble. * Blatant statements by the International Monetary Fund calling for the end of the dollar’s world reserve status and the institution of special drawing rights (SDRs) as a replacement. China has been developing other markets for their trinkets in the last 5 years, hundreds of chinese import shops have opened in NZ and in the last couple months, China and australia and NZ agreed to trade in our respective currencies our electronic prices have stabilized for the first time ever they used to fluctuate wildly from week to week based on the dollars fluctuations |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36403390 New Zealand 10/02/2013 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would be an economic death sentence for China to dump US bonds. The retaliatory strike would be to slap un heard of massive tariffs on China which would collapse their economy within a weak. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47783950 you people can't even afford to shop at wal mart anymore check your numbers! obamacare ought to be the death of any discretionary spending in the US |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47783950 Germany 10/02/2013 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the FED paying China? If it is paying in dollars then China is no better off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27586925 If it is paying in gold - where is the FED getting the gold? China is buying gold directly from mines and refiners, also quite likely directly via the LBMA - though we're not privy to that info. Have a look at gold imports for the last few years... and that's just the "official" numbers. China is also the largest domestic gold producer and they don't export any of it. China produces more gold than any other country, according to every international analyst I have ever seen, even though they are suspected of grossly under-reporting their production. Stop and think about that for a minute... who would benefit more from a Gold Standard than China? NOBODY Who has the US and NATO gone after for trading gold directly for oil, rather than brokering all deals in USD? Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, so far... As oil becomes more scarce and more valuable, every play for power will focus on this one resource, and the means for securing it. Nat.Gas, solar, geothermal, barking frogs... anything that produces energy is good, but there is still no replacement for OIL as fuel for wholesale transportation of goods... WITHOUT OIL, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY So if the world returns to gold as it's standard currency, then China will have first claim on much of the world's oil, because they will be able to pay the "going rate" - hell, they'll be able to SET the going rate. The only nations which will be able to fight their dominance will be Russia and the US. We are the only two nations with sufficient domestic oil, and the military to use it to project force internationally, to compete against China on en economic playing field defined by GOLD. If the US collapses economically, then China's biggest competitor will essentially be "out of business"... So, if they play this correctly, China could be in control of 75% of all international trade within 20 years. Don't think they haven't contemplated this scenario... . Any questions? oil is not getting more scarce we have made more HUGE discoveries that dwarf all the oil ever used the North Slope in Alaska found MASSIVE amounts of oil in 2007---billions upon billions of barrels I know an engineer up there but it never broke the news big Brazil found a super massive deposit Israel/Lebanon/Cyprus found Leviathan---a super massive deposit Australia just recently found a huge deposit oil is not scarce or running out or even limited at this time the whole scarcity thing was a scam to inflate prices oil is abiotic I once read that oil regenerates at a 3% rate annually. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4826401 United States 10/02/2013 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China dumping US bonds was in a book i read once, Tom Clancy - Red Storm Rising maybe? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28643549 it was considered an act of war and a precurser to an attck if memory serves. Well what about the country that owes you needs you to keep it propped up? Its a kunnundrum holmes...drop us you cut your own throat. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47783950 Germany 10/02/2013 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would be an economic death sentence for China to dump US bonds. The retaliatory strike would be to slap un heard of massive tariffs on China which would collapse their economy within a weak. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47783950 you people can't even afford to shop at wal mart anymore check your numbers! obamacare ought to be the death of any discretionary spending in the US Yeah, you are right all of the Walmart's closed up and the whole franchise is gone. Stupid ass Kiwi!! |
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User ID: 33430551 United States 10/02/2013 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: The collapse of Socialism (aka: Leftism) is unfolding before everyone’s eyes Treasury taking final steps to avoid default The Treasury Department has begun using the last set of accounting maneuvers at its disposal to allow the government to keep paying its bills until Congress raises the country’s borrowing limit, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew told congressional leaders Tuesday night. In a letter, Lew reiterated that if the debt ceiling is not raised by Oct. 17 the government will not be able to meet all its financial commitments, such as making payments to U.S. debt holders, government contractors and Social Security recipients. [link to www.politico.com] Last Edited by No Dhimmi on 10/02/2013 09:09 PM ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
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User ID: 46617826 United States 10/02/2013 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China dumping US bonds was in a book i read once, Tom Clancy - Red Storm Rising maybe? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28643549 it was considered an act of war and a precurser to an attck if memory serves. The Tom Clancy that died today?!? Coincidence? A flag flown upside down is a symbol of a country in distress. As a result of the many traitors and enemies inside our own government and the many unconstitutional acts, legislation and atrocities passed and/or committed against our lives, liberty and property, as well as a reckless foreign policy meant to enrich and empower an already wealthy group of 'elites' while wreaking havoc around the globe and committing atrocities against large numbers of innocent peoples in the name of 'spreading democracy', the United States is no longer a free country and the lives of its citizens as well as the lives of our brothers and sisters around the globe, are in dire danger and distress. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47787545 United States 10/02/2013 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see everybody has their doom goggles on. Just remember with the import/export reality between China & the US, our economies are practically intertwined, so it wouldn't be in the Chinese best interest to do anything that would seriously disrupt that relationship. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 Before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, do you know how intertwined our economies were? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47787545 United States 10/02/2013 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see everybody has their doom goggles on. Just remember with the import/export reality between China & the US, our economies are practically intertwined, so it wouldn't be in the Chinese best interest to do anything that would seriously disrupt that relationship. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 Before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, do you know how intertwined our economies were? Japan got 80% of her oil from the US. We strangled Japan's oil imports, which is why they attacked Pearl Harbor. They were 100% justified in attacking us, as China is 100% justified in dumping treasuries whose value we keep watering down through inflation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47423278 United States 10/02/2013 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see everybody has their doom goggles on. Just remember with the import/export reality between China & the US, our economies are practically intertwined, so it wouldn't be in the Chinese best interest to do anything that would seriously disrupt that relationship. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 I always hear people say this and yet I remember what was once said of china. They traditionally have had this habit of opening up to the west just long enough to absorb new tech and new raw materials and then slam shut the gates again. This time they opened up wide enough and embraced there enemy long enough to make him dependent on the relationship. When they slam shut the west will colapse. The communist party in China will then seize all assets in the country and go hardline again. Any new Chinese middle class who raise a stink just get a bullet in the head. The Party then has tons of new tech, tons of new raw materials, tons of gold to buy more while having zero competition able to compete |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47739121 United States 10/02/2013 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It won't hurt them to be humbled. you are all going to be humbled before the Lord, reduced to poverty, til you are begging forgiveness. It's not like any of those people employ anyone anymore. I always hear this shit about how small businesses employ 80%, but I can count the number of businesses around here, locally owned on my fingers. They are ALL big masonic globalist-owned franchises, which means they are backed by the Fed, so it doesn't even matter. the trouble is they use their corporate influence to socially mold us into a country of blonde females and black males in every store, they are totally sick weirdos. I can't wait for their stupid fucking system to lay in ruins. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47739121 United States 10/02/2013 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it will be like an AIDS riddle psycho child molestor dying when the US dollar collapses. Americans have become idiot scumbags because they've had so much power for way too long, too much power over too many people, to turn them into the idiot scumbags they gladly became. |
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User ID: 47383053 Canada 10/02/2013 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China dumping US bonds was in a book i read once, Tom Clancy - Red Storm Rising maybe? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28643549 it was considered an act of war and a precurser to an attck if memory serves. Sorry, Red Storm Rising was about a Russian attack to secure resources after a terrorist attack cripples their oil import capacity, also exacerbated by a grain shortage. Great book though! RIP Tom Clancy... The only thing I hate more than you, is myself. |
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User ID: 46335130 United States 10/02/2013 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Counting reservists, and all available and potential persons to enlist, China has a army of 200 million. We have 1.6 million and a population of mind controlled, over weight zombies unfit for any kind of duty. 67 percent of people polled yesterday, had no idea what Obamacare was. Checkmate. aircraft carriers became obsolete a while ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47574966 Funny how so many I talk too just can't imagine that.. Common knowledge for the mildly informed. "I know that the molecules in my body are traceable to phenomena in the cosmos. That makes me want to grab people on the street and say: 'Have you HEARD THIS?" -Neil deGrasse Tyson :fly_sail: If you hate my avatar.. you are going to love this.. [link to youtu.be] In Death members of Project Mayhem Have a name. His name is James M. Boyd. |
LT Prepper
(OP) User ID: 47767845 United States 10/02/2013 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see everybody has their doom goggles on. Just remember with the import/export reality between China & the US, our economies are practically intertwined, so it wouldn't be in the Chinese best interest to do anything that would seriously disrupt that relationship. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 Before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, do you know how intertwined our economies were? Japan got 80% of her oil from the US. We strangled Japan's oil imports, which is why they attacked Pearl Harbor. They were 100% justified in attacking us, as China is 100% justified in dumping treasuries whose value we keep watering down through inflation. Bingo...it's all a matter of perspective. If you'd have asked a Japanese person in 1943 who started the war, they would have told you that THE US STARTED THE WAR, with our oil embargo and general blockade of Japanese ports. That's right - we began blockading Japan only weeks before the attack on Pearl Harbor. In reality, it was mostly refusing to refuel vessels headed to Japan, but the precedent was set; we escalated the situation... Remember the old saying, "It's all politics until the bombs start falling on you...only then is it war". Well, the US was politic'ing Japan pretty hard from the middle of October right up to the point when Japan leveled Pearl. Go figure. On to the present situation - This "secret" conduit from the FED to the BOC looks like it is going to be the next pearl Harbor... they effectively have the means to directly (and quietly) extort the fed into buying back enough Treasury Bonds to create a *real* liquidity crisis in the US banking system - we're talking much, much bigger than Bear Sterns. At least an order of magnitude bigger. Ever wonder why all the banks are holding such massive cash reserves, instead of lending the money and making interest??? Maybe it's because they all know that if they don't have the liquidity to survive such an attack, they might as well close shop right now... because such an attack *is* coming, sooner or later. Here's your meme - With this private conduit, China now has the equivalent of a nuclear enema for the *entire* US banking system in their control... . |
LT Prepper
(OP) User ID: 47767845 United States 10/02/2013 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There must be quite a few countries watching China, waiting to make their move, wondering who will move first. Going to be a crowded doorway with everyone trying to exit at once. Quoting: Nine's EXACTLY. That's why China required their "preferred status" of a special, direct, confidential connection between the BoC and the FED. By the time the word gets out, China will have finished screwing us and smoked half a cigarette (proverbially speaking, of course). WE HAVE BEEN WARNED |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47783950 Germany 10/02/2013 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it will be like an AIDS riddle psycho child molestor dying when the US dollar collapses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47739121 Americans have become idiot scumbags because they've had so much power for way too long, too much power over too many people, to turn them into the idiot scumbags they gladly became. Dick head we have only been around for 200 years! |