How does one find grace in suffering?

there is no night without darkness. Everything that we deem valuable in this life has gone through pressure. be it a diamond or a relationship.

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oh...If you think "grace" in suffering mean peace or rightiousness or something of value in that way- that is not what that means

you will be observed as being "graceful" by accepting your troubles with a quiet uncomplaining unwavering strength despite a trying difficult time ( people would expect you to "crack"- yet you hold firm )

You remain quiet, calm, reserved, considerate to others...when others would expect you to be totally upset

"Grace under pressure"..being calm and intelligent and socially reasonable when It could be reasonably expected that most other people could not do the same


But! If somebody has died in your family and you are being told to show some "grace"..I smell BS..you can be mad if something is wrong

Don't think of it as suffering - think of it as healing.

Pay attention to your pain. Notice exactly where it is and your brain will direct the healing resources to it.

just because you say they deserve/d something does not make it so, things are a bit more complex.

just saying im too tired to get into GRACE right now, it would probably be wasted anyway

also
embrace the suffering
grace is in that

Falun Gong, the philosophy/religion being persecuted in China, talks about worldly suffering.

Interestingly the date that the persecution of millions of practitioners started corresponds with a prediction by Nostradamus, July 1999.

The Falun Hong emblem also corresponds to a Hopi prophecy.

oh- I forgot to say...nobody is required to be graceful if they find themselves in a bad situation

Be graceful if you can/should...there are many situations where bad things happen and you might not need to worry about being "socially graceful"

Pain does not derive from dying, it comes from surviving

a wonderful lady who was kind and generous to me when she did not even know me told me that G-d tests those he loves the most. that may seem strange, but i guess the thinking is that He loves you so much and He wants to see if you still love Him through suffering and hardships....He wants to know that your love is true through thick and think, for better for worse .... like what people who supposedly love one another say in marriage vows.

there is also chastisement, but i think that is less lengthy in duration, but what do i know? nothing....i'm just thinking of a possibility...G-d knows though.

perhaps this can bring some solace to you, if you are suffering OP.

you mind over matter that shit.

every one of my discs is messed up in my neck and lower back.......some fused, spinal stenosis, impingement and I live with chronic pain every damn day.
And I have to put up with people's shite on top of it.

I ignore it.....what else can you do, let it drive you crazy?

You have to have a strong mind.

What an inspiring thread!

I too suffer with chronic pain due to a botched hip replacement and subsequent ramifications. To say my life has radically changed is an understatement.

I have read this thread and my first impression is that I am not alone in many of my feelings of aloneness and questioning "WHY"? Literally, for me, misery loves company.

For the last four years, I believe I have tried almost everything that our medical system can offer. My latest venture/hope is being approved for pot and hemp oil.

But I liked a post which gave an analogy that a body builder must endure pain in order to have a better body. For some reason, this resonates with me, a lot.

After thinking on that for a bit, I can understand why. My physical situation has forced me to live inside myself and explore my spiritual and mentality worlds.

I believe that this is Grace, for me.

My spiritual world is so much richer and allows me to feel that in the end, it'll all be ok. Sounds trite, but it saves me from typing a twenty page diatribe. But more so, I am developing abilities that allow me to relieve pain through a combination of actually being in the pain and willing relief by visualisation and the belief I am being helped by unseen powers of Love. Hard to articulate, but it works for me most of the time. I have about a ninety percent success rate. Needless to say, it is almost euphoric in nature. The other ten percent is absolutely destroying.

So between these two polarities of pain is where I'm finding Grace. I know I'm being helped.

I've read everyone else's stories. Some were inspiring, so thanks for that. Whatever gets you through the night is alright.

Thanks OP for a wonderful thread. Blessings to you and everyone else who contributed.

NEVER admit or show sadness??

In other words they have to become robotic drones in order to exemplify grace??

those who are put into it, don't ask for it.

so if you're not experiencing it now, you probably won't and when you do, you're probably dieing at the hands of our amazing medical system.

Oh I see but if some is in chronic pain and they're told to show some "grace" it isn't BS?

WORD OF GOD
1955
Excessive suffering is an exceptional grace, even if you find this incomprehensible; for My love does not want to let you humans slide into the delirium of the world and confronts some of you with hours of starkest adversity in order to bring you back to your senses, or the soul would remain empty-handed and not progress in its spiritual development.

Suffering must always be considered as a means to render the human being helpless and make him aware of his weakness, and as soon as the suffering has contributed towards the fact that the soul turns to Me, that it appeals to Me for help and humbly entrusts itself to Me, it is a great blessing and should therefore be viewed as a gift of grace.

For suffering leads to Me, whereas the joys of the world as well as all earthly pleasures will achieve the opposite. Suffering motivates people to pray without prayer it is impossible to make contact with Me. Without prayer you cannot be given the gift of grace, because prayer expresses the will and the longing for Me and thus enables Me to meet the human being and, as fulfilment of his prayer, give to him what he needs.

If, however, the human being is spared suffering, the body will continue to reject the spirit when it wants to communicate with the soul in order to give the person the right guidance and instruction.

But it is absolutely essential for spiritual progress, for reaching a high degree of maturity, that the soul be instructed by the spirit and that the soul will thus unite with the spirit. For this purpose I must absolutely grant help to the soul with My strength and therefore must first be asked for it, because the human being's will is decisive and suffering impels its decision.

Suffering can also harden a human heart, in which case the person will drift away and no longer strive for ascent, and then there is no other means that would be more successful. But as a rule suffering leads to Me, generally a human being perfects himself through suffering and then it has fulfilled its purpose.

Subsequently, you should be grateful for it and also acknowledge it as a grace; for earthly suffering is not a permanent condition and extremely beneficial, providing you want to mature.

Then you will be eternally thankful to Me, and in the state of realisation earthly life will be easier for you to understand and you will also be able to cope during the time of great need, for then you will not live your life alone but with Me, because you will open yourselves to Me in prayer and thus receive strength which you, in turn, can use after your own will and with certainty will use for your spiritual ascent, as you are destined to do....
Amen

I want to thank everyone for their beautiful,heartfelt and wonderful responses!!! I wish that I could respond to each and every post but there are so many. I think my point has been taken in the right light that there are so many ways to achieve what is called "Grace" and like I said this wasn't for me but for the others that suffer silently not knowing where to turn.

Hoping that someone somewhere finds inspiration in the words that were given, and to know they are not alone even if it seems so!!

keep on posting if feel like doing so.

Thanking every one again

Guitarguy55

It is a free gift. ..

You don't have to do anything. ..

Just accept it! !!

The great me...

You have made is your own GOD. ..

In place of THE FATHER IN HEAVEN! !!

There's no suffering in Grace. ..

Grace is the FREE GIFT. ..

THE redemption of THE CROSS...

NOT THE WORK ORDER OF THE CROSS !!!

And what is truth???

Your TRUTH. ..

A TRUTH? ??

Only THE TRUTH is JESUS CHRIST !!!

How can a free gift. ..

Be painful? ??

The truth. There is only one...

& Jesus doesn't need advertisement,
If you believe he is who he is.

Pain and suffering are not Grace! !!

We are called to go out in to the preach the gospel. ...

What is that?? ?

To tell everyone who JESUS CHRIST is! !!

Right? ??

Sometimes all paths lead to the same truth!~!

Without getting into it - mankind is called to live in His will & all good things are done of & in the spirit for His glory. Fruit is produced in season, & spamming the truth at every opportunity debases it
as/ if it is the truth, it is holy.

You don't have to accept it. ..

Any of it. ..

If, You don't accept it. ..

Then it passes away! !!

We are all ready in to it. ..

And what is his will???

To preach THE TRUTH! !!

AND I AM SORRY YOU HAVE TAKEN OFFENCE TO THE TRUTH. ..

No...

Not all paths lead to GOD. ..

GOD says there is only one way. ..

THE WAY!! !

NOT A WAY! !!