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Jacksonville (FL) Implements Orwellian Police State, Going to 18,000 Homes Looking for Drugs and Guns

 
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And how did they select the 18,000 homes to violate the sanctity of?
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The residents are black.
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Ill put a twenty on it that says you wont see the helmet warriors over off Soutel, or Phoenix ave..
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Are they all fishbelly white (turning red) too? They seem to send the palest ones to tropical areas.
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More cameras in crime ridden areas and knocking on doors to spread awareness, presumably. I dont see a problem here. I wish the cops here would come and knock on my door asking for information so I could point them to the thieving junky next door. Hell they can come on in and have dinner and wait to watch him sell drugs.
 Quoting: Gator!


The only problem is when the thieving junky next door fingers you as major heroin distributor and they observe your ebay habits, show up with swat team a shoot every dog in the house.

[link to abcnews.go.com]

A 61-year-old man was shot to death by

police while his wife was handcuffed in another room during a drug

raid on the wrong house.

Police admitted their mistake, saying faulty information from a drug informant contributed to the death of John Adams Wednesday night. They intended to raid the home next door.


Raids go wrong. Often.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


He could do that any day, and other than the word of a junky they would have no reason to suspect that. And yea, sometimes they do raid the wrong houses, even more reason for me to positively identify him before hand.
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And how did they select the 18,000 homes to violate the sanctity of?
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The residents are black.
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The homes are in a "zone". A zone that stands out because people get shot and drugs are dealt there. Simple.
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I suppose Orlando's next?
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And how did they select the 18,000 homes to violate the sanctity of?
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The residents are black.
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The homes are in a "zone". A zone that stands out because people get shot and drugs are dealt there. Simple.
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Oh, so those are now "constitution free zones" too?
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And how did they select the 18,000 homes to violate the sanctity of?
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The residents are black.
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The homes are in a "zone". A zone that stands out because people get shot and drugs are dealt there. Simple.
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Like I said, the residents are black.
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And how did they select the 18,000 homes to violate the sanctity of?
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The residents are black.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57443824


The homes are in a "zone". A zone that stands out because people get shot and drugs are dealt there. Simple.
 Quoting: Gator!


Oh, so those are now "constitution free zones" too?
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They're just knocking on doors, presumably to show they give a damn and score some info.
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And how did they select the 18,000 homes to violate the sanctity of?
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The residents are black.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57443824


The homes are in a "zone". A zone that stands out because people get shot and drugs are dealt there. Simple.
 Quoting: Gator!


Like I said, the residents are black.
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Lol.

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Police aggression is generally directed at non-violent, non-criminal working class whites. You will not see the jackboots busting heads in Compton or Detroit. These "visits" are going to be directed at Sally Jo Whitechick down at the trailer park, not the ghetto. Ghetto thugs were bred and trained for a purpose. They will be left alone to continue to terrorize. Meanwhile Joe Sixpack will have his home-defense shotgun and his $50 coin jar confiscated.
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He could do that any day, and other than the word of a junky they would have no reason to suspect that. And yea, sometimes they do raid the wrong houses, even more reason for me to positively identify him before hand.
 Quoting: Gator!


Most "confidential informants" are junkies, a situation which can put the lives of law enforcement in danger, as well as civilians:

[link to www.policechiefmagazine.org]

Confidential informants are crucial to many law enforcement investigations and are especially essential in the field of narcotics investigations. Informants can provide specific information that is simply not available from other sources. However, the informants are often criminals themselves; if not properly managed, they can render a law enforcement investigation useless, destroy an agency’s credibility, and even endanger officers’ lives. To use confidential informants successfully, agencies must develop formal and sound informant control procedures.

The War on Drugs makes for strange bedfellows.
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The residents are black.
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The homes are in a "zone". A zone that stands out because people get shot and drugs are dealt there. Simple.
 Quoting: Gator!


Oh, so those are now "constitution free zones" too?
 Quoting: Boris the Cat


They're just knocking on doors, presumably to show they give a damn and score some info.
 Quoting: Gator!


Well, as long as it's for the kids safety. That dang ole constitution has harmed more kids than numbers can express.


It's for the kids.

Repetition works.







This shit is to take away more rights from all, and you clowns are falling for it.

The new A.I. big brother system in Chicago already tracked most all crime to a little over a thousand criminals. Do they pick them up? No, of course not.
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He could do that any day, and other than the word of a junky they would have no reason to suspect that. And yea, sometimes they do raid the wrong houses, even more reason for me to positively identify him before hand.
 Quoting: Gator!


Most "confidential informants" are junkies, a situation which can put the lives of law enforcement in danger, as well as civilians:

[link to www.policechiefmagazine.org]

Confidential informants are crucial to many law enforcement investigations and are especially essential in the field of narcotics investigations. Informants can provide specific information that is simply not available from other sources. However, the informants are often criminals themselves; if not properly managed, they can render a law enforcement investigation useless, destroy an agency’s credibility, and even endanger officers’ lives. To use confidential informants successfully, agencies must develop formal and sound informant control procedures.

The War on Drugs makes for strange bedfellows.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Obviously, use the guy you got for possesion to work your way up. Doesnt mean they immediately go blow someones door off the hinges off that alone. They do surveillance etc.
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The homes are in a "zone". A zone that stands out because people get shot and drugs are dealt there. Simple.
 Quoting: Gator!


Oh, so those are now "constitution free zones" too?
 Quoting: Boris the Cat


They're just knocking on doors, presumably to show they give a damn and score some info.
 Quoting: Gator!


Well, as long as it's for the kids safety. That dang ole constitution has harmed more kids than numbers can express.


It's for the kids.

Repetition works.







This shit is to take away more rights from all, and you clowns are falling for it.

The new A.I. big brother system in Chicago already tracked most all crime to a little over a thousand criminals. Do they pick them up? No, of course not.
 Quoting: Boris the Cat


Dude, just dont answer the door lol.
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This week, the Jacksonville Sheriff’s office announced that they would be installing new security cameras around the city and knocking on more than 18,000 doors, without warrants, as a part of an initiative called “operation ceasefire”.

Sheriff John Rutherford, Mayor Alvin Brown and Councilwoman Denise Lee made the announcement this Tuesday at a press conference outside of the local Sheriff’s office. The sheriff admitted that many aspects of the program, including the security cameras, would be paid for with money that was taken from victims of the drug war.

“We’re going to use the drug money we pull out of this neighborhood to protect this neighborhood,” Rutherford said.

In addition to the aspects of the project which are being funded through asset forfeiture, the department is also asking for tax funding of over 3 million dollars for new officers. The stated goal of this program is to decrease violent crime, most of which is related to the drug trade. However, the violence of the drug war is a direct result of prohibition, and the best way to stop that violence is to end prohibition.

Read more at [link to thefreethoughtproject.com]
 Quoting: Too Dark Park


well is jacksonville that's why... to much drug.. also we live in a world of fake freedom ... constitutions is dying
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Obviously, use the guy you got for possesion to work your way up. Doesnt mean they immediately go blow someones door off the hinges off that alone. They do surveillance etc.
 Quoting: Gator!


The ability to gather relevant information via surveillance may leave a little to be desired in some departments: [link to www.ajc.com]
UPDATE: The mother of a 19-month-old boy critically injured when a police device was tossed into his bed in Habersham County said Friday there is no way officers should not have known there were children in the house.

“They say there were no toys,” Alecia Phonesavanh told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution today. “There is plenty of stuff. Their shoes were laying all over.”


Or this innocent mayor:

[link to www.salon.com]

At the bottom of the stairs, they bound my hands, pulled me across the living room, and forced me to kneel on the floor in front of my broken door. I thought it was a home invasion. I was fearful that I was about to be executed.” I later asked Calvo what might have happened if he’d had a gun in his home for self-defense. His answer: “I’d be dead.” In another interview, he would add, “The worst thing I could have done was defend my home.”
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This week, the Jacksonville Sheriff’s office announced that they would be installing new security cameras around the city and knocking on more than 18,000 doors, without warrants, as a part of an initiative called “operation ceasefire”.

Sheriff John Rutherford, Mayor Alvin Brown and Councilwoman Denise Lee made the announcement this Tuesday at a press conference outside of the local Sheriff’s office. The sheriff admitted that many aspects of the program, including the security cameras, would be paid for with money that was taken from victims of the drug war.

“We’re going to use the drug money we pull out of this neighborhood to protect this neighborhood,” Rutherford said.

In addition to the aspects of the project which are being funded through asset forfeiture, the department is also asking for tax funding of over 3 million dollars for new officers. The stated goal of this program is to decrease violent crime, most of which is related to the drug trade. However, the violence of the drug war is a direct result of prohibition, and the best way to stop that violence is to end prohibition.

Read more at [link to thefreethoughtproject.com]
 Quoting: Too Dark Park


well is jacksonville that's why... to much drug.. also we live in a world of fake freedom ... constitutions is dying blame it on Obama man for being a puppet....


(watch X men . U.S she belong to some one else now )
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Sooooo happy i live in NYC! Enjoy your freedom and democracy!
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i predict civil war in 1 to 5 years
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I don't. The lithium and the fluoride in our water and the BPA in the plastics we use that chemically neuter you are all working quite well to subdue any potential uprising.
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You say 'you', as if you don't shower in that shit daily and are magically shielded from it.

lmao

Pretentious fuck.
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Dumbass the words we and our were also mentioned.

Don't be so rude.
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So what are they going to do?

Like that swat team sneak up and throw mini bombs into the children's beds, and then ransack the homes looking for all valuables and steal them and threaten to plant you with whatever they want if you don't let them?

I mean they are pretty much evil incorporate in my view.
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Most of the residents in these neighborhoods are for this program. They sick and tired of the shooting that goes on every night and during the daylight also. a lot of parents
don't even let their children go out in the worst hoods.
They are really pissed.This shit goes on every day and night.
Their houses get bullet holes in them for no reason. It's a crap shoot living in these hoods. I'm just thankful I don't
live near any of this shit, or i'd be pissed to, and want it stopped.
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FL has the highest percentage of its' citizens incarcerated of
all 50 states (the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world), go figure...
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Obviously, use the guy you got for possesion to work your way up. Doesnt mean they immediately go blow someones door off the hinges off that alone. They do surveillance etc.
 Quoting: Gator!


The ability to gather relevant information via surveillance may leave a little to be desired in some departments: [link to www.ajc.com]
UPDATE: The mother of a 19-month-old boy critically injured when a police device was tossed into his bed in Habersham County said Friday there is no way officers should not have known there were children in the house.

“They say there were no toys,” Alecia Phonesavanh told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution today. “There is plenty of stuff. Their shoes were laying all over.”


Or this innocent mayor:

[link to www.salon.com]

At the bottom of the stairs, they bound my hands, pulled me across the living room, and forced me to kneel on the floor in front of my broken door. I thought it was a home invasion. I was fearful that I was about to be executed.” I later asked Calvo what might have happened if he’d had a gun in his home for self-defense. His answer: “I’d be dead.” In another interview, he would add, “The worst thing I could have done was defend my home.”
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


No argument here, cops fuck up like anyone else, unfortunately their fuck ups are a really big deal. But in their defense, the man living in that home with the baby WAS a drug dealer. That poor family, their home burns down and then they get caught up in a drug raid that almost killed their baby :-(
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Probably the 'Unpatriotic Act'. It's probably in there somewhere. BTW, they sure drew up that voluminous document in a hurry. Didn't it come out like a day or two after 9.11 happened? It was quick I remember.
 Quoting: Ms. Superduper


Seems like a Senator was opposed to it, then had a plane crash.
 Quoting: Boris the Cat


Oh really now. Did not know that.
 Quoting: Ms. Superduper


Wellstone.
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Thanks.
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I have not read the entire thread. Do we have posters in Jax that know anything?
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Most of the residents in these neighborhoods are for this program. They sick and tired of the shooting that goes on every night and during the daylight also. a lot of parents
don't even let their children go out in the worst hoods.
They are really pissed.This shit goes on every day and night.
Their houses get bullet holes in them for no reason. It's a crap shoot living in these hoods. I'm just thankful I don't
live near any of this shit, or i'd be pissed to, and want it stopped.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1210737


sad thing is....you believe the cops will do anything to prevent it.
the community itself needs to correct this.....learn to protect yourself and clean up your neighborhood.
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Snap, I also live in Jax and smoke a ton of weed. This scary. Just when we thought we were being too paranoid. What do? Just not let them in? I plan on living in my car the next few weeks just so they can't pop my roommates for my fuck-ups.

Edit: Sweet, its in the north side and west side, across the matthews on the mid west of jacksonville as an area. If you're in the Beaches, Arlington or pretty much any where EXCEPT springfield and the westside you should be good.

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How much 'ya wanna' bet they're not going into the hood for this...
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FL has the highest percentage of its' citizens incarcerated of
all 50 states (the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world), go figure...
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In our defense, if you take our ape population (40+% of prisoners)and people who are here illegally from other countries (30+% of prison pop) out of the equation we have a pretty reasonable incarceration rate lol.

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How much 'ya wanna' bet they're not going into the hood for this...
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Considering theyre targeting a specifically troublesome area, I would bet they are...





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