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Preparation for Power Outages in Winter

 
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I know this will drop straight to the bottom of the heap as everyone is focused on the Dow right now.

I have talked about my concerns, living in the Midwest, and most people here have told me that I'm toast.

That's okay, except that I have two cats and two birds and an algae eater that I am concerned about more than the stock market.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who lives in a city or in a suburb or in a medium sized city. The majority of people live in metropolitan areas. Only a few may live rural enough to live in a house where they have the ability to run a wood stove. In the city we can't even burn leaves.

I'd just like to know what people will do if the electricity goes out in the winter and they live in a cold climate. Have you thought of it? The motels will fill up fast, if they have adequate generators. In most areas, I'm thinking that desperate people would steal their neighbor's generator. I have a kerosene heater but you must keep the window open and you can't fall asleep. It also wouldn't be good for my birds, I'm thinking. Perhaps someone knows better.

I'd just like some suggestions as I'm sure people have thought about this and even though it seems that people here either live in the south or in California, what about the Minnesotans and Michiganders, New Yorkers, etc. Any plans? Have you thought about it with all of the threats about an attack on our grid? False Flag attack on the grid, etc. ?

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My parents have a stand alone gas heater that they use in the wintertime because when it gets cold, that heat/cool pump will drive your electric bill through the roof.

I told my dad he needed to stock up on propane before the price goes up, I didn't mention any September doom because he's not into the conspiracy stuff.
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You can run your gas stove for heat, they do not require electricity to run ( hint: if you have electric pilots you can just put the gas on and light with a match or lighter)
There are ways of staying warm, if you have a gas stove and run it, the kitchen will be your heated room so you need to work to keep the heat in there, put blankets up over all the windows and doors and at the bottom of doors for draft blockers. All people congregate in the warm room, sleep there, stay there, the human bodies create warmth. If it is still too cold or you don't have a gas stove pick a room in the center of the house and create a tent from blankets, in this case this is your warm room and everyone should try to stay in there and sleep in there.
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My parents have a stand alone gas heater that they use in the wintertime because when it gets cold, that heat/cool pump will drive your electric bill through the roof.

I told my dad he needed to stock up on propane before the price goes up, I didn't mention any September doom because he's not into the conspiracy stuff.
 Quoting: chuckles45


That sounds like what I have so they have to keep a window open, right? And they can't fall asleep with it on? Is it actually propane or another gas?

It sounds like they feel perfectly safe with it. I've never had to use mine and it says that if it is run for 24hrs. it will use a gallon of kerosene. That's a lot. I'd have to buy a lot of it to last a few months.

Thanks for the feedback. I don't feel quite as afraid. I hear about explosions of gas in homes but I think it's mostly propane since it's under pressure. I don't know if Kerosene will explode if kept in a garage.
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You can run your gas stove for heat, they do not require electricity to run ( hint: if you have electric pilots you can just put the gas on and light with a match or lighter)
There are ways of staying warm, if you have a gas stove and run it, the kitchen will be your heated room so you need to work to keep the heat in there, put blankets up over all the windows and doors and at the bottom of doors for draft blockers. All people congregate in the warm room, sleep there, stay there, the human bodies create warmth. If it is still too cold or you don't have a gas stove pick a room in the center of the house and create a tent from blankets, in this case this is your warm room and everyone should try to stay in there and sleep in there.
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Thanks, I didn't think about running the stove because I have an electric switch on the burners and I guess the oven? I'm more worried about a false flag takedown of the electrical grid. Would this stop gas from flowing? I have steam heat in my apartment which I think runs on gas but if the gas doesn't flow...no heat. Any comments? I'm female and I know nothing about these things and I'm so afraid of a fire or causing an explosion.
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I know this will drop straight to the bottom of the heap as everyone is focused on the Dow right now.

I have talked about my concerns, living in the Midwest, and most people here have told me that I'm toast.

That's okay, except that I have two cats and two birds and an algae eater that I am concerned about more than the stock market.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who lives in a city or in a suburb or in a medium sized city. The majority of people live in metropolitan areas. Only a few may live rural enough to live in a house where they have the ability to run a wood stove. In the city we can't even burn leaves.

I'd just like to know what people will do if the electricity goes out in the winter and they live in a cold climate. Have you thought of it? The motels will fill up fast, if they have adequate generators. In most areas, I'm thinking that desperate people would steal their neighbor's generator. I have a kerosene heater but you must keep the window open and you can't fall asleep. It also wouldn't be good for my birds, I'm thinking. Perhaps someone knows better.

I'd just like some suggestions as I'm sure people have thought about this and even though it seems that people here either live in the south or in California, what about the Minnesotans and Michiganders, New Yorkers, etc. Any plans? Have you thought about it with all of the threats about an attack on our grid? False Flag attack on the grid, etc. ?
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


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Have a few installed, and be sneaky about it. If you rent, buy an rv and install them in that, and stockpile enough wood and ammo, to get through the winter. Actually, if you can, pick up an old RV, and install one of these wood stoves, if the power grid goes, your going to want to get out of the city asap.
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I'm also wondering how people would keep their computers running. I have a radio that runs on batteries but I'd rather have my computer, of course?

I'm trying to think of ways to avoid a generator because I think someone would steal it, although, if they can't get gas for it, it won't be much good.

Also, I'd like more protection for my apartment. I have dead bolts but would like something more reassuring. Any suggestions? Thank you.
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I'll be doing a lot of jumping jacks.
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I know this will drop straight to the bottom of the heap as everyone is focused on the Dow right now.

I have talked about my concerns, living in the Midwest, and most people here have told me that I'm toast.

That's okay, except that I have two cats and two birds and an algae eater that I am concerned about more than the stock market.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who lives in a city or in a suburb or in a medium sized city. The majority of people live in metropolitan areas. Only a few may live rural enough to live in a house where they have the ability to run a wood stove. In the city we can't even burn leaves.

I'd just like to know what people will do if the electricity goes out in the winter and they live in a cold climate. Have you thought of it? The motels will fill up fast, if they have adequate generators. In most areas, I'm thinking that desperate people would steal their neighbor's generator. I have a kerosene heater but you must keep the window open and you can't fall asleep. It also wouldn't be good for my birds, I'm thinking. Perhaps someone knows better.

I'd just like some suggestions as I'm sure people have thought about this and even though it seems that people here either live in the south or in California, what about the Minnesotans and Michiganders, New Yorkers, etc. Any plans? Have you thought about it with all of the threats about an attack on our grid? False Flag attack on the grid, etc. ?
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


Look up kandle heeter product, and research ways to make a room heater from clay pots and tea candles. You can store this stuff in a small place. If no doom you may be able to lower your energy cost this winter. Have really warm sleeping bag and blankets - focus on being able to keep one room space reasonably comfortable. Even have a tent to pitch in your home and that will help hold your body heat.
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Re: Preparation for Power Outages in Winter
get out of Michigan now op..

come down south..

Pray your flight not be in winter or on the Sabbath day.


get out now.
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I wish I had 5000 dollars to buy a wood burning stove like that. Would be awesome, but I am broke.
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Last year it was predicted in one of the doom threads that the entire national grid was going to go down and stay down with a resultant million deaths. I'm sure it will be much the same this year.

Having said that, if you live in an apartment and you have a prolonged power outage the best thing you can do, as someone already suggested, is have a bug-out place or RV that has wood burning capacity or know someone with those capabilities that you can stay with. I have three fire places in my house and stacks of wood, as do most of the people around here, so this has not been a great source of worry for me personally.

Staying warm and being able to prepare meals over an open fire is going to take up most of your time and will be your biggest priority. I wouldn't worry too much about the internet in the situation you [OP] are describing.
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I read some accounts of people who survived the war in Bosnia.. Proper Clothing & Blankets.. Small hobo / rocket stove that could burn anything vented out window for cooking.. The lady said in the end anything that could be burned took on value.. She said everything that could burned was taken and burned.. From Library books to demolished building to kids toys..
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wood stove and lots of wood!

until the EPA comes to shut you down
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OP,

Heating with a gas stove = BAD IDEA

The little magic candle pot heaters? BS. Basic thermodynamics.

Your best option is to get a small catalytic heater that really is safe to run indoors WITHOUT opening a window and defeating the purpose of heating in the first place. This is an excellent unit:

[link to www.amazon.com]

Then start buying the gas-grill type propane tanks... you can get them anywhere, carry them in one hand, and store them indoors, out of sight if need be. Get an extension hose so you can put the tank in another room if that makes you more comfortable.

A gas grill tank will run one of these heaters for a couple days, easy. This is the only SAFE & PRACTICAL method I am aware of to heat a small living space in a city environment. No fumes, no smoke, no noise.

Be safe & stay warm. ;-)
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I know this will drop straight to the bottom of the heap as everyone is focused on the Dow right now.

I have talked about my concerns, living in the Midwest, and most people here have told me that I'm toast.

That's okay, except that I have two cats and two birds and an algae eater that I am concerned about more than the stock market.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who lives in a city or in a suburb or in a medium sized city. The majority of people live in metropolitan areas. Only a few may live rural enough to live in a house where they have the ability to run a wood stove. In the city we can't even burn leaves.

I'd just like to know what people will do if the electricity goes out in the winter and they live in a cold climate. Have you thought of it? The motels will fill up fast, if they have adequate generators. In most areas, I'm thinking that desperate people would steal their neighbor's generator. I have a kerosene heater but you must keep the window open and you can't fall asleep. It also wouldn't be good for my birds, I'm thinking. Perhaps someone knows better.

I'd just like some suggestions as I'm sure people have thought about this and even though it seems that people here either live in the south or in California, what about the Minnesotans and Michiganders, New Yorkers, etc. Any plans? Have you thought about it with all of the threats about an attack on our grid? False Flag attack on the grid, etc. ?
 Quoting: Isaiah 43:1-2


[link to www.unforgettablefirellc.com]

Have a few installed, and be sneaky about it. If you rent, buy an rv and install them in that, and stockpile enough wood and ammo, to get through the winter. Actually, if you can, pick up an old RV, and install one of these wood stoves, if the power grid goes, your going to want to get out of the city asap.
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I don't think I could afford an RV and even if I could, a wood stove has to be vented properly. Do RV's have a means for that?
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I agree, I'm in the Pacific Northwest where we haven't had any rain for 3+ months until yesterday. A storm rolled in and took about 250,000+ power, blew down huge trees because all the leaves were still on.

Normally, we get these storms in the winter when trees are bare so getting one now makes those dry, top heavy trees blow over easier.

BUT, this winter, I'm expecting that we'll have some make-up storms and give us all the Wind and Rain that we really haven't had in several years in just a month or so. I would expect being without power for 3 days to 2 weeks in certain areas.

prepare so you are comfortable because nothing is worse than whiny kids and wife...

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I PINNED YA.

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OP,

Heating with a gas stove = BAD IDEA

The little magic candle pot heaters? BS. Basic thermodynamics.

Your best option is to get a small catalytic heater that really is safe to run indoors WITHOUT opening a window and defeating the purpose of heating in the first place. This is an excellent unit:

[link to www.amazon.com]

Then start buying the gas-grill type propane tanks... you can get them anywhere, carry them in one hand, and store them indoors, out of sight if need be. Get an extension hose so you can put the tank in another room if that makes you more comfortable.

A gas grill tank will run one of these heaters for a couple days, easy. This is the only SAFE & PRACTICAL method I am aware of to heat a small living space in a city environment. No fumes, no smoke, no noise.

Be safe & stay warm. ;-)
 Quoting: Azaziah


I think it is the same thing because it has a "low oxygen shut-off valve", which is a good feature but it says to me I'd still have to ventilate the room. Right?
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OP, also - those $1.29 foil survival blankets go a long way in emergencies. I've seen ppl build shelters with them in snow and stay toasty warm. Might pay to grab a bunch just in case.
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Thanks for the pin, ToolMan!
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I agree, I'm in the Pacific Northwest where we haven't had any rain for 3+ months until yesterday. A storm rolled in and took about 250,000+ power, blew down huge trees because all the leaves were still on.

Normally, we get these storms in the winter when trees are bare so getting one now makes those dry, top heavy trees blow over easier.

BUT, this winter, I'm expecting that we'll have some make-up storms and give us all the Wind and Rain that we really haven't had in several years in just a month or so. I would expect being without power for 3 days to 2 weeks in certain areas.

prepare so you are comfortable because nothing is worse than whiny kids and wife...

coffee4
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You know, there are some wives that are very handy with an axe and chain saw?

City slickers!
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"Nobody gets out of here alive." Jim Morrison
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i don't want to think about winter right now!

But winter is coming!

:cryin:
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I PINNED YA.

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No wonder I couldn't find the thread.
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start eating a lot right now, you need to put on extra weight thats the best prep anyone can do.
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i don't want to think about winter right now!

But winter is coming!

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Check the internet for DIY stoves. You can make one from two flower pots and candles. It's for small spaces. Check it out.
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I'm right there OP! Midwest, small town. Cooking is your major concern.
Do you have a tent? Body heat will keep the hypothermia away. Cooking and subterfuge is a major concern.
Do you have rural friends?
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Buy a Texas Fireframe for your fireplace.





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