A Sure Sign of Weak and Yapping Christians, They Like "apostle" Paul.

Regarding falsely motivated proponents of The Gospel, Jesus stated "If they are not against us, they are for us."

Think before you bluster. The next time you speak to me, have something to say which Christ said.

How much of your post above is speculation, given as "conclusion?"

Go ahead and finish you sandwich before answering.

Hey, Hans. I am a better Christian than you are. You misrepresented me when you said I "hated Paul." But, I never said I hated him.

You assume things and over react just like a yapping Christian woman.

Yes, I agree with what you said. You are indeed just guessing about me.

Lol. Are you a pewsitter, mouth agape each Sunday morning?

Lol. This is fun.

If Paul's writings are "meat" and are directed to "the Elders" as you tried to say, why then did he spend so much time teaching about such petty sins as sexual improprieties? Were the Elders having those problems? Did Paul have a problem selecting elders in his churches?

Let me help your patronizing mind a little more, here. If Paul's writings were "meat," why then was he do compulsively passionate in his arguements, rather than letting the facts of The Gospel carry their own weight? Paul was the only NT writer who used emotional imperatives as part of teaching, unlike the True Apostles. Paul knew deep down he was always on thin ice. He knew he had to work extra hard to be heard. And, the Jerusalem Church did not need him. Only his goofy Mesopotamian churches did.

Tell me, did Paul ever pen the statement, "Speak I, not the Lord?"

Jesus mocked and derided lots of people. He called Peter "Satan," He called the Greek Syrophoenician Woman a "dog," He called the idiot religious leaders of His day "liars, fools, hypocrites, blind guides, and whitened tombs." He so trolled the Jews in the Nazareth Synagogue that they tried to murder Him on the spot.

Do you follow Him?

Did Christ ever use the word "Grace?" Answer truthfully, now. Be an honest Christian.

The real issue is did the Lord, though his apostles teach grace. The answer of course is yes. The word grace appears 179 times in the NT. The real issue is why you are against the teaching of grace. Christ may have not used the word but taught of mercy and love and inspired his apostles to teach of grace.

Acts, and I/II Peter are full of the lessons of grace as is II John, and Jude.

II Peter 3: 15 - 17

. . and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,…

This reveals that St. Paul’s letters had already become the common property of the churches as Peter references them here and clearly affirms them as from “wisdom given him (Paul) and including, in context these letters, “also the rest of the Scriptures” which can only be denied if you ignore the plain meaning and context of Peter’s endorsement of Paul and his wisdom/teachings.

Beware

Many Devils in this thread

Pray for them

No speculation at all - just inconvenient facts you choose to ignore as they destroy your illogical analysis.

II Peter 3: 15 - 17

. . and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,…

This reveals that St. Paul’s letters had already become the common property of the churches as Peter references them here and clearly affirms them as from “wisdom given him (Paul) and including, in context these letters, “also the rest of the Scriptures” which can only be denied if you ignore the plain meaning and context of Peter’s endorsement of Paul and his wisdom/teachings.

All throughout the book of Acts we see Paul identified as a true Apostle. And so we could quote numerous passages affirming this from Acts. However, one striking feature is that in the Acts 15Jerusalem Council Paul played a leading role with the other Apostles such as James and Peter in answering the question about Gentiles being under the law. As the council was in session we see the following:

“And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.” (Acts 15:12)

what say you of this little mind? You dismiss this scripture as well?

Paul and Barnabas spoke after Peter (vv. 7-11) and right before James (vv. 13-21) who concluded the council and gave the final decision that Gentiles are not under the law. This demonstrates that there was 1st century recognition of Paul’s acceptance by the early church and by the Apostles themselves as an authoritative voice.

The Original Apostles confirmed Paul’s Gospel and Apostleship

The 1st century historical documentation on this issue also shows that fourteen years after the Jerusalem affair with Peter and James in Galatians 1:15-19 Paul then went back to Jerusalem again with Barnabas and Titus. According to the 1st century data Paul says the pillars of the church (James, Peter and John) “added nothing to me” (Gal. 2:6). This means that the original Apostles of Jesus added no correction to Paul’s Gospel message which he was preaching after the Jerusalem affair in A.D. 35. Hence, the original Apostles affirmed what Paul was preaching – namely Jesus’ crucifixion as a sacrifice for sins and His resurrection as orthodox theology. Moreover, James, Peter and John all extended their right hand of fellowship to Paul after seeing Paul’s grace (Gal. 2:9). This extremely early data (A.D. 49-54) is a severe blow to the anti-Pauline crowd since it adds one more attestation to the conclusive 1st century case for Paul’s reliability and apostleship. It must be stressed over and over, because it is important, that there is no clear 1st century documentation to the contrary asserting that Paul was not a true Apostle who was close to the original Apostles or that he had a false message.

Ignatius of Antioch (A.D. 35-110)

Ignatius of Antioch was a 1st century pupil of the original Apostles.

(In the early document known as The Martyrdom of Ignatius Ch. 1 we read: “… Ignatius, the disciple of John the apostle, a man in all respects of an apostolic character, governed the Church of the Antiochians with great care…” The 3rd/4th century church historian Eusebius states that Ignatius was the second Bishop of Antioch after the Apostle Peter, Evodius preceding him, which shows that Ignatius was in very close proximity to the Apostles. Eusebius states: “At this time Ignatius was known as the second Bishop of Antioch, Evodius having been the first. Symeon likewise was at that time the second ruler of the church of Jerusalem, the brother of our Saviour having been the first.”(Eusebius, Church History, Book 3, Ch. 22) And: “…Ignatius, who was chosen bishop of Antioch, second in succession to Peter…” (Eusebius, Church History, Book 3, Ch. 36). The 4th/5th century Christian Theodoret also states: “You have no doubt heard of the illustrious Ignatius, who received episcopal grace by the hand of the great Peter, and after ruling the church of Antioch, wore the crown of Martyrdom.” (Theodoret, Dialogues, 1)


This is important because if Paul was a false teacher and usurper, Ignatius, being a follower of the Apostles and their Gospel (he often quoted the Gospels of Matthew and John as well), would have pointed out Paul’s supposed theological errors or commented on Paul being a supposed false Apostle. However, this 1st century martyr Bishop offers early data in support of Paul’s association with the other Apostles as well as Paul’s rightful authority in the church. Ignatius wrote the following in A.D. 110 to the Christians in Rome:

“I do not command you, as Peter and Paul did.”

Ignatius, Letter to the Romans, Ch. 4



This extremely early material is affirming that Paul worked alongside Peter in leading and commanding the Christian church in Rome. Ignatius has other valuable remarks affirming the reliability of the Apostle Paul. For example, in writing to the Christians in Ephesus Ignatius relays that Paul accurately gave the Gospel to the Ephesians, that Paul was martyred for his faith (which also shows Paul’s reliability) as well as his deep respect and honor for Paul:

“You are initiated into the mysteries of the Gospel with Paul, the holy, the martyred, the deservedly most happy, at whose feet may I be found, when I shall attain to God; who in all his Epistles makes mention of you in Christ Jesus.”

Ignatius, Letter to the Ephesians, Ch. 12

Last Edited by No Dhimmi on 12/10/2015 02:50 PM

you can't come up with your own contridictions?

Gotta burn up your search engine...

phony

When you can't respond with facts attack the grammar (use of "we") hoping no one will see you have no logical response to the challenge. We see you dim bulb and your light is indeed dim!

You don't know this^^^^. Prove this^^.

Don't just throw words around. Show references (3 each will do) for each of your so called, fact statements in your narrative.

Stop the bahbahbahhhh.

And stop posting internet frases. We know your not the author. Your obviously not smart enough.

It's also obvious your post is not to inform.. but to mock others. What kind of sick personality are you?

I bet your friends really enjoy your sick company.

Your so smart, you should easily be able to provide 3 references of proof for each of your so called facts above.

There is a mental test using a baboon as a reference. Need to find the link for you.

Finish your sandwich, while we wait.

Where did OP (no-nothing) go?

We expect him to post 3 clear references to each of his so called facts in his narrative.

SOOOoooooOOOOoo hurry up and finish.

A Lot of us want to review for statement references.

Where did OP (no-nothing) go?

We expect him to post 3 clear references to each of his so called facts in his narrative.

SOOOoooooOOOOoo hurry up and finish.

A Lot of us want to review for statement references.

You still eating your sandwich?

Your taking to long.

lol

your ignorance will no longer be bliss following your awakening unto the truth

Paul was the only one who was to teach on three levels

one of which was the Elect

Christ never mocked.

Are you a believer in Jesus Christ- Yes or No?

grace g is seventh letter

g (7) race

seven race and that can be rearranged to severance or not

my suggestion is to read Hebrews 4, only time severance is mentioned and also grace is mentioned too.

faith in Christ creates miracles for steadfast believers~

He talks, acts and reasons like a muslim. Probably inbred.

Last Edited by No Dhimmi on 12/11/2015 11:06 AM

Coward 70961373 must be eating a large sandwich!

He is too busy eating a sandwich and is afraid to return as his arguments have been thoroughly debunked.