Gods MASTER PLAN for the VAST MAJORITY of all mankind.....ETERNAL TORTURE.

I have no say to that statement.

I will let God be the judge of that indeed.

In Jesus Christ.

This is the part where your final grim reply begins with "Enough". We've done this dance dozens of times, my friend.

True.

Im sick of it anyway.

Just wanted to see if christians have grown any sense of love or compassion or logic in the last 12 months.

A measly few have.

The rest have grown darker and deeper into evil...while thinking they have grown lighter and holier.

This thread was a test.

The line has indeed been drawn.

Now we watch the game conclude.

There are no tests for the dead.

Indeed, this is enough.

D'oh. . .I meant Tonga always responds with that. "Enough. Let the fool remain blind unto their doom" or somesuch, etc. etc.

Which essentially the same way Nathan dealt with David: he told him his own story, and when David was outraged by what he heard, Nate was like "This is *you*, genius. I just covertly explained something you did, and it enraged you."

Yes...more or less.

Few there be...that find it.

And the ones that do are the ones who see..and they see because they know they cant.

The ones who think they see..are the ones who dont...no matter how its presented.

But now...the next 10 years.

Its time.

First of all the vast majority of mankind, (people, as you claim will not spend eternity in a hellish abode.) If you consider God's eternal plan, purpose and promise. The vast majority of mankind will continue to birth itself for all times. Afterward, the path first forged and envisioned for Adam and Eve will continue on for all generations throughout all ages forever. There my friend rest the vast majority.

After a period of time mankind will be generating children as many as trillions a year, eventually a thousand times that. And as the populace never dies or ceases to multiply; the numbers of birth will as time passes stagger the imagination!

So your point that the vast majority of humanity will be the destiny of hell for man. Lacks the insight of the broader promise God has envisioned for the future purpose of the generations yet to appear.

For those future generations will come to the knowledge of the goodness of the Lord's true efforts and effects of his purpose. Satan will no longer have the ability any longer to blind men (generically speaking,) to his deceptive lies and duplicity.

All things will become discernible to mankind and sin will lose its ability to entrap even the simplest among us. My youngest son ask me, "why couldn't I have been born into that eternal generation"..lol. It's Simply, because God had something better persevered for us who trust in Christ now. For in great struggle comes the greater reward.

Thus, is now the condition of God's true children. Yet, one day all mankind will know of his ways and forgiveness, and be of his whole family. Satan will no longer have the ability to deceive and blind as he once did, and still does to the lost.

However, your point is understandable by most. Even among believers these questions have arisen in the minds of all. If it would be denied by them, they would be dishonest.

Even men like JOB questioned God's motive and why he directed them in such a way not always understood. ESDRAS (known also as Baruch, the prophet Jeremiah's friend and scribe,) questioned God about these same matters you now present.

In the book of [2ESDRAS] concerning the hopeless fate of the lost. He petitions God to see sinful man (generically speaking,) in a more merciful, less harsh, and understanding way [2ESDRAS chapters 6-8.] God even allows ESDRAS a spiritual drink brought to him to better debate and make his case before the Most High God.

Nevertheless, you bring forth the point that all God's creation of mankind is his children and he their father. Not so!

Only those whose spirit has been rebirth in Christ is of God's family. For God is the Father of living spirits, not of created flesh. Therefore, all others outside the family have violated a more heinous crime than stealing a cookie in his sight. They came in upon his own household and murdered his first-born, only begotten, sinless, innocent, child/Son. Whose love for him was/is beyond mortal mans comprehension.

How was this all mans crime. It was for all sins Jesus sought to redeem us from the power of the enemy. Instead our response was rejection, condemnation and murder. Therefore, no fault of our actions but our ancestors. Yet, any sin in our lives thereafter instantly pronounces us as guilty as those who first participated in that murderous sin in its beginning! For sin was the culprit first to recognize its faults and retaliation against the truth.

So I would suggest the solution to your dilemma would be to repent of your personal perplexity and then accept Jesus' efforts toward your salvation and his forgiveness for your murder and all sins. Then once you have actually felt that transformation of your being. You will know without a doubt your goal and purpose in life and in his family. I suspect it might be to seek to rescue some of those other religious lost that burdens you so!

Remember, if you sincerely decide to take this course. Don't necessarily rely on your feelings. A new birth spirit, doesn't respond to feelings. That comes later, but faith alone is the feeling of the spiritual individual.

For example, once an individual ask if I would pray for him to be saved in Jesus. We prayed, he felt nothing, got up thanked me, and left. He said on the way back to his house he looked at his wife and said, "I don't care what I feel I know I now belong to Jesus." He said as soon as he expressed his belief (faith) he was hit in the chest with what seemed like a bolt of love he had never known. He went on to become a minister for several different churches in his life.

I do want to express to you that I felt, your heart felt desire to right the wrong that you feel mankind has and will continue to suffer. Yet, The only answer must be from him that understand the broader depiction of the mysteries of not only this physical realm but the spiritual complexities as well.

I believe Satan knows things we don't and he knows God in all his might is about to act against mankind's greatest foe. Don't be surprise if you witness the redemption of a billion souls in one short season of time, in a few short yrs.

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He didn't say "all".

Why make someone suffer for the faulty genetics they didn't ask for, doesn't make sense. And I'm sure the fallen would be smart enough to make white "tares" too.

What a crock.

You all loving God has eternal torture for though don't follow him.



Your God might do that. Mine doesn't. He is loving and doesn't want to inflict harm on his creations.

Bible thumpers....Sheesh

People send themselves to hell.

You mean asshole Saturn group, they're renegades awaiting the end of their reign and then arrests. They know it!

Or do you mean Rothschilds or Queenie or Rome? Again, read the above, they got their F's as well.

Humanity, even a teen who is tortured and filled with shame for killing his friend or even an innocent kid, from inner city, CLEANS UP FAR BETTER THAN THAT GROUP.

And humanity is none of their concern. They get no one. We're not handing souls over to that side, at all. We're here.


When it comes to their arrests, at least they also should know that its better to be arrested by Higher Mind's Love and Good Team, than rescued by their dark hat friends. We make them grow up and become hero's in the end.

Everyone goes back home out of this universe hero's in the end even if it takes a kazillion years in the perceptions of some.

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You have to admit it would provide great entertainment watching all the worms killing each other and kicking one another in the head thinking they are going to get something or win a prize in heaven and live in a mansion.

Some good point there.

And yes the next ten years will be most interesting. Especially next year.

Hell is the absence of God.

That's a popular xtian sentiment, but it's not scriptural. In Psalm 139, David points out that God is even in "hell" (sheol, actually) and in Revelation 14, those immersed in the "lake of fire" will be in the presence of the Lamb. No absence - He's right there.
Hopefully such data spurs us to consider why our humble Redeemer is right in the middle of what is rumored to be fiery torture. . .perhaps He'll have a big spatula so He can turn them when they're done on one side? Or perhaps He Himself is the fire (Deuteronomy 4, Hebrews 12). Quite a rabbit hole.

Its what you make of it really... yes it can be torturous especially to those just waking up but eventually you will understand more like for instance if you weren't here you wouldn't exist and existing is the only way to the path of being like-God but before that happens you must find a way to get to that point of awareness and become that being even if it takes you many many lifetimes.

Think of this place as a cradle for children and you're the baby in the cradle. The only way to get rid of the cradle and get a bed with no bars is to grow older and strong enough that the cradle can't hold you in no more. Only then will you beable to leave this cradle.

God isn't a person.

Doesn't look like a person, think like a person, act like a person ( or human if you prefer)

God is the system, the process, the everything and all things.

So we really are all part of God.

Magic sky wizard beard guy shooting hellfire out his ass or hipster rebel spewing hearts and butterflies - not so much.

BTW, Christians - your God isn't Christian.

Trust in Jesus Christ!!!

Doomy.

OP has no understanding.

God did not create hell.

Hell is the eternal separation from God.

Thus you are under the control of satan and his minions. If you choose satan, you will go to him and his dwelling. Do then not complain if you do not like life without the protection of God, as we currently have.

You choose satan, you are his and he will do with you according to HIS desires. You won't like it, because satan hates you.

Hell is merely the eternal seperation from God. The fact that it sucks, is because satan is in charge there.

Problem is...there is not one single verse in the entire bible that backs up what you say.

But lots of stuff backing up op.

For instance...chapter and verse that clearly states...what you stated.

About the seperation...where is it?

Ive read the bible lots of times and never come across any verses about this so called seperation from god.

No, we are learning. If we end up in hell for say 1000 years, it is because of our violent thoughts, etc. You put yourself there through your actions. If you live a good life, and don't hurt others, you will go to a positive place, but will have to reincarnate to learn different things. WE should be grateful to be alive, as that is the miracle part. We are in the process of learning. E.g, you decide to murder people, then you will face the consequences of those actions, and karma will get you, one way or the other. That is how it goes. We are here to become perfect, but it doesn't happen overnight. We have souls and we learn from our mistakes.

...;)))))..u r touched by the "complex of god" virus ??..like 89% of humanoids ??..:)))))

Better than complex of ape which came from lizard which came from omeba that came from goo that came from nothing complex.

you work a job.
your boss demands you show up on time
dressed properly with a good attitude
ready to work

if you don't do these things
you get notified a few times
if you continue to not do them
you get fired

you are owed nothing
you were told what is expected of you
and you made the decision to not do it
repeatably

now imagine you are the boss
you have a family to feed too
many other employees rely on you as well

it's all pretty simple really
it just is
but, you have the free will to choose

and that there, makes it your responsibility
so if it doesn't go the way you want it
it also make it your fault