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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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DONT WORRY. THEY'LL PISS THAT WATER RIGHT INTO THE PACIFIC. IT
WILL BE DROUGHT CONCERN SEASON BY...MID-SPRING. YOU WATCH. UH.
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PAVEWAY-

I sent your twitter images to the Cahills to ask for any comment and am hoping to hear back. They were so nice at answering questions back during the dam crisis. I don't know if the addy is still current or if government goons got to them they way they got to Weiryone, alas. But I will let you know if I hear.

I did find this Cahill interview at PeakProsperity back in 2017. The thing is, I assume nothing at all has been done on this so it is still 100% relevant, and your two twitter images should be regarded as very alarming.

I think it was Bea who said you can't know what exactly is going on without piezometers measuring the flow of groundwater, and the Oroville ones all over that wet area are non functional. Were they ever replaced? The only way to understand that wet area is piezometers....so do we have new ones? I would think it would have been talked about if we did. Maybe they actually do work fine and DWR is lying to say they don't function now, to avoid dealing with it? Who knows.

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 Quoting: Prayandprepare000


To be honest, P&P, the recent imagery isn't much different than Sentinel imagery from 2016. Minor changes in the green spot, but it's always been there - even at low reservoir levels - and has always been a concern by dam safety people.

DWR has consistently dismissed ANY concern about it as unwarranted and something to do with drainage from the left shoulder 'natural spring' on the dam face. They are convinced that 1) the Zone 2 fill next to the clayey core is dry (based on the few remaining piezometers), therefore 2) nothing is leaking through the impervious clayey core anywhere on the dam, including and especially at the green spot, and 3) nothing is leaking past the drain curtain into the Zone 3 fill of the downstream face, therefore 4) the green spot is superficial and does not indicate ANY internal seepage through the clayey core or past the drain curtain.

See slide 6 of their piezometer presentation from 2019 for those dam details:
[link to water.ca.gov (secure)]

DWR did install some additional piezometers in 2019-2020, but these had to do with concern about leakage through the (fractured/rotten) bedrock and grout curtain under the dam core and/or some of that leakage bypassing the drain and seepage collection system. They indicated that these piezometers showed nothing unusual and increased flow in the drain curtain/seepage collection system was normal (10 gallons per minute) and only increased during periods of significant precipitation on the dam irrespective of reservoir levels.

I think the Cahills were aware of the new piezometer project and results. That project addressed core/bedrock seepage but it didn't explain the geometry or uniformity of the phreatic surface on the downstream side of the dam during periods of high precipitation. So I imagine they would still have concerns, but nobody can do anything if DWR isn't interested in measuring those specific things.

Worse yet, there will be another earthquake in that region eventually that seriously rattles the dam. I'm not talking about a M2.1 during refilling, but a real California earthquake. Without a proper sensor network on the downstream side, DWR will not be able to explain why or where damage may have occurred if it does. They can only say that damage did occur by observing increased flows in the drainage and seepage collection system. Big deal - that won't be of much help if you have no idea where the damage is located. They'll be forced to install even more piezometers or drill new inspection borings... providing they have the ability and resources after a significant earthquake. I seriously doubt that - DWR will be paralyzed if they have to deal with multiple dam/canal/levee emergencies all over the state at once, and Kiewit isn't going to chopper in to fix anything on time or under budget. The immediate cure is to drain the reservoir if damage occurs, but below 815' they'll have to rely entirely on the hydro plant or the tiny river outlet to drain it, which will take weeks. And good luck with that if the hydro plant is damaged or the downstream channel is plugged. Or if that happens during winter/spring rainy season.

Point is DWR is winging it and repeatedly saying the green spot poses no immediate danger (which is probably true). But it exposes their general ineptitude for operating and maintaining that dam - and their proclivity for doing it on the cheap or delaying it as long as possible AND doing it in secret - because 200K downstream victims are disposable people that don't need to know DWR's critical infrastructure secrets. You might be terrorists! The 'experts' said everything is OK. Trust the government - they got your back.

One earthquake is all it will take to dissolve their PR-fueled illusion of a "perfectly safe and well-maintained dam." Hell, another swipe of an atmospheric river this year might do the trick, too. It really doesn't matter - DWR will cry that it's a one-in-ten-billion year event that nobody on earth could have possibly predicted. Nothing will ever be their fault. Fukushima/TEPCO all over again. Oh, and could FEMA please send another $50 billion federal clown-bucks so they can rebuild all their crappy water infrastructure. This is so... predictable.
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Thank you for this tremendous and informative post! You clarified some things for me.

Yes, I remember that map of the earthquake zones with one fault running right through the lake. To be fair to DWR I remember it was said that at dam construction time they didn't know about that fault. Not sure I believe it but hard to think they could be so reckless if they knew about it.

Well, looks like a lag in the weather and then more rain in a few weeks. We'll all just be watching and waiting.

I dropped my subscription to Dutchsinse since I didn't have time for watching him, but I never doubted his probably accurate predictions. If anybody watches him and he says anything about the big one coming, please put out an alert on this thread, thanks.
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UP 1.8 FEET IN LAST 24 HRS.

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796.27...THINKIN' IT MAY NEVUH GIT TO 800 WHICH, WOULD BE, THE SMART AND SAFE MOVE.
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796.27...THINKIN' IT MAY NEVUH GIT TO 800 WHICH, WOULD BE, THE SMART AND SAFE MOVE.
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All that snow has to melt, either slowly or quickly.

They will never hold it at 800 using just the power plant and river valves for releases.

DWR needs to maintain at least 750K AF of space for flood storage through April.

That shiny new Kiewit vibromatic spillway will get used hard this year. And put away wet.
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796.27...THINKIN' IT MAY NEVUH GIT TO 800 WHICH, WOULD BE, THE SMART AND SAFE MOVE.
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Wow a couple hundredths of a foot since you posted last. Fucking moron.
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Forecast setting up for next weekend more rain /snow


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lol at the earthquake tards… Oroville has never had a quake anywhere near it.
there are no faults near horrorville…

the orotard mind works in mysterious ways. When they realize i’m right (the dam is fine) they immediately give upmon wet spots, spillway failure, gate failure, dirt failure aand jump to
“but there COULD. be an an earthquake”
(imagine it in Fredo’s voice)

Listen Dolls, the dam is fine. Catastrophic flood in sacramento?

we just aint that lucky…
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lol at the earthquake tards… Oroville has never had a quake anywhere near it.
there are no faults near horrorville…


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LOL.

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DONT WORRY. THEY'LL PISS THAT WATER RIGHT INTO THE PACIFIC. IT
WILL BE DROUGHT CONCERN SEASON BY...MID-SPRING. YOU WATCH. UH.
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Yhup thats what the did after the deluge of 2019, PGE and cali released all the water. Northern cali can hold up to 5 years of water.

And CalFire is a tool of the democrat elites that direct fires and or light themselves to burn out conservative areas
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lol at the earthquake tards… Oroville has never had a quake anywhere near it.
there are no faults near horrorville…

the orotard mind works in mysterious ways. When they realize i’m right (the dam is fine) they immediately give upmon wet spots, spillway failure, gate failure, dirt failure aand jump to
“but there COULD. be an an earthquake”
(imagine it in Fredo’s voice)

Listen Dolls, the dam is fine. Catastrophic flood in sacramento?

we just aint that lucky…
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Might wanna do your homework before you end up sounding like a know it all like crunch here....

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lol at the earthquake tards… Oroville has never had a quake anywhere near it.
there are no faults near horrorville…


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LOL.

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Before that M5.7, there was one on January 1857 'near the city of Oroville' that approached M6 and the other one between M5 and M6 in February 1940, 40 miles to the north.

And that accounts for all of 175 years of white man's history of California. So technically, Anonymous Coward is correct. Any earthquakes occurring before that in the last 12,000 years didn't happen near Oroville because it didn't exist yet.

Native American oral history accounts of gigantic quakes in the region before then were probably imaginary. Peyote and 'shroom induced, I'm guessing. Besides, not ONE Indian dam was ever known to have collapsed in California. So, go figure: no earthquakes.
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797.99!

8300 INFLOWS.
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UP 1.64 FEET IN LAST 24 HRS.

800 BY MONDAY.

BOTTOM OF THE GATES BY THE END OF THE MONTH! OR SHOONUH. CAPS.
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Forecast setting up for next weekend more rain /snow


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Huh. Active rainy pattern returning.

This has to be one of the most interesting subjects to watch right now.

A friend just told me she actually took the vaxx in Oct because her husband wanted her to get it. Two heart episodes and time in the local cardiac unit. I think she's trying to keep it all secret.

What does that have to do with this dam? It's called don't believe any official government pronouncements these days. No, things will not be fine just because they say things will be fine.

Get your money out of the bank, too. And your 401k. The whole system is CA DWR.
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SO...MAYBE SOME MORE RAIN FRIDAY THRU NEXT MONDAY AND A STORM
AFTER THAT. SO...FEB. STARTS OUT WHET! LOOK INTO THOSE MODELS.
AND SEE IF THEY START TO DUMP B4 THEY GET NEAR THE GATES O HEL
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SO...MAYBE SOME MORE RAIN FRIDAY THRU NEXT MONDAY AND A STORM
AFTER THAT. SO...FEB. STARTS OUT WHET! LOOK INTO THOSE MODELS.
AND SEE IF THEY START TO DUMP B4 THEY GET NEAR THE GATES O HEL
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SO...MAYBE SOME MORE RAIN FRIDAY THRU NEXT MONDAY AND A STORM
AFTER THAT. SO...FEB. STARTS OUT WHET! LOOK INTO THOSE MODELS.
AND SEE IF THEY START TO DUMP B4 THEY GET NEAR THE GATES O HEL
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February has always been the cursed month for the Oroville Dam. Beware the Pineapple Express.
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