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MAN SHARES ASTOUNDING NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE: Have you SEEN or EXPERIENCED the WHEEL? Do you know what is behind the WHEEL and what it is?

 
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I have a different account to give here since the person did not experience death, just got to see a view of what could have been.

This account I have to give is way before the internet and know a handful of people who know this truth or reality we shared. This wheel is known to some people as the E-BRACKUS.

It has been in existence before anything. It is the source that created what we know as good and evil. what created GOD/Satan. I have not thought about this stuff in such a long time that I am sure more details evade my memory now.

I will need to really start thinking about it to hopefully remember more details. The people who know about this have way more information than I can offer. How I came to know is very hard to explain or accept as true. It was one of those true X file stories and it happen before that show even came out.

Most of them are still alive and out there somewhere, but it has been so regressed in my mind that I have not thought about it in the last 26 to 28 years.

There is one person who I know where they are and how to reach out to them, but that's something I would need to really consider as it something that I would be opening back up.

If there's anyone out there who can offer more or knows about this, I would be happy to hear from them.
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Thanks for posting this! I read this many years ago and have tried to find it on several occasions and couldn't. You just made my night!
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Start at 47:00. Very similar experience and description. He calls it the blender and says it is fractal.
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I don't give physical descriptions of my NDE experience due to my Holiday Inn Extended Stay at Sky Palace having created a fear of quantum (style) Alphabet assaults using psionic weapons to manufacture hallucinatory terrain, environments and animated characters inside of micro-lasered holographic dream-states based on descriptions of victims whom they pick up on and abuse for life based on end result of collecting evidence and knowledge using them like guinea pigs in contrived abusive assaults which render the victims incapacitated in ways they fall under the protection and spiritual realm of an alternate sphere of existence with which we interact and from which we are interconnected as a matter of presence of being and life-force.

For example: posting your NDE paddle wheel ass-spanking machine in detailed physical description you forfeit the right to be free of guilt in having assisted in creating your own deception by proxy from posting it where your deepest darkest enemies and personal life-long persecutors, the wicked souls of the damned whom seek to bring you down and or the ramifications and ailments of interacting with such, inc. distracted driving and or missing time where your on the hook for your own body but aren't even really in it or there and it's too much to deal with in a sane manner having just appeared inside a body that could very well have been anywhere and done anything in my absence from myself and/or partitioning and randomization of chronology. Like the disorienting terror of amnesia, or blacking out and waking u p the next day after drinking or getting slipped a date rape knock out drug, is likely about as fun as waking up in Jail not knowing what has happened.

SO fuck That I wouldn't if I were you give them any more ammunition than they already possess from general regular Big brother invasive, intrusive, voyeurism and spying, and all the rats in your life who are in secret even just know munching on a big juicy chunk of cheese at your expense while whining about you and all the terrible burden you cause with your inadequacies and incompetence and lack of skill or talent, while they rig all behind the scenes to project you as a total fully retarded loser who is accident prone and a hazard if not drugged to zombie state for life 100+ years so you can feel good about absorbing their life like osmosis while they are sucked dry, for you.

I saw God motherfucker.
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Read this account and know exactly what took place. I wish could meet this person and give them the peace that a sure knowledge of what they experienced would bring. Thank you op for sharing.

There even could be a reality that every deleted thread on glp since 2007 could be archived and pm'd links of the data dump to every user. Could be
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This does not match up with any of the over 30 million recorded NDE's this one stands alone and that damns it.
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Some people that have taken salvia have reported to see the same wheel.

The wheel appears in the Bible (Ezekiel) and is consistent with Buddhist accounts.
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I have personally taken salvia and experienced said wheel actually

It was lined with Egyptian art and orbited the entire sky well I was drifting in parallel between the 2nd to 4th dimension

I knew there was a me, and another me, and many more me's there, it was very obvious

I've done a lot of substances, and this is still one of the most interesting things i've personally seen as a psychonaut
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We do not get to share the memories with our other versions
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This might be true for you.

But it is not true for everyone.

Considering the small number of people that
have successfully secreted DMT naturally,
it is amusing that so many people think that
they are experts on the subject - who then
issue blanket statements and false edicts.

As usual, some Youtuber who is here to harvest
information for content, is reading this thread
and will look into my previous assertions.

And as usual, they will produce a Youtube
video claiming that they are the ones who
figured out that these visions are all
about seeing Hyperdimensional Geometry
and Kleinian Groups.

I interviewed Dr. Rick Straussman in the 90's.

At the time, Straussman was the only person in
North America who had been given legal permission
to use DMT for clinical studies.

I met Jeremy Narby a year before he released
his Cosmic Serpent book. I still have an
authentic little ceremonial Kechua bowl,
(made by indigenous South American peoples
and used for taking the Datura mixture),
that I got from him in 1997.

Most people reading this are a good 25 years
behind my own research. I do not appreciate
the fact that the Internet has made this
knowledge and research so easy to find.

It has produced many Johnny Come Lately "know-it-alls",
pushing false blanket statements concerning a subject
that they actually know very little about.

Take Joe Rogan for instance. This cornhole didn't
know CRAP about DMT 25 years ago, yet because he
has done synthetic DMT and interviewed a few people,
the runt fancies himself an expert on the subject.

But the fact that Rogan has stated that in ALL
of his DMT experiences, he sees the JESTER and
the Serpents - tells me all I need to know about
him.

That is why I rarely discuss anything anymore.

Why give people information that took years
of practicing meditation to eventually find?

Why give people information that I gleaned 25 years
ago, before they ever even knew what DMT was?

The bottom line is, if you have never tried (and
succeeded) in secreting DMT naturally, you really
shouldn't be taking synthetic DMT at all.

Jokers see the Jester and Snakes see the Serpents.

For those who patiently found their way to
the Land of Milk and Honey, our experiences
are not fearful or filled with such visions.

But what the fuck do I know compared to a bunch
of idiot web savants, whose sum of their entire
knowledge-base came from the Technosphere and is
therefore cursory, if not completely inorganic.

And Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.
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You're full of yourself. Get the fuck over it. You're a profoundly arrogant asshole and have the gall to say "I do not appreciate
the fact that the Internet has made this
knowledge and research so easy to find.". Go dig yourself a hole and lament the technology that has helped open the minds of countless numbers of people who may never have learned anything about this topic otherwise.

This life is a journey, one of many, and people are trying to figure it all out. Who the fuck are you to criticize how we get the information? You're a jerk and may know the details about these topics but you have no wisdom, no compassion and no humanity. You don't deserve the knowledge you claim to have.
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Read and enjoy. One of the most amazing Near Death Experiences.

Experience Description
A friend persuaded me to submit this account, against my natural tendency on the matter. I have no real interest in following it up or being contacted in any way. It was a very frightening episode. It is traumatic enough, to be honest, to recall it just once at length here. But having set out to describe it, I will be as frank and as accurate as language can allow.

On the 15th July 2013, at about 7.45am, I was on my way to work and approaching the intersection and getting ready to take a left-hand turn. This is a notoriously dangerous intersection on any day, and there have been many accidents there. It is hard to see if the intersection is clear from the right and the left turn is particularly hazardous. I was running late and in a flustered state of mind. I had an important meeting that I’d been planning for carefully over a number of days, and a really stupid delay at the last minute put all of that in jeopardy. It should also be understood that a much better traffic signal system exists there today than was in place at the time of this incident.

I approached the intersection in a hurry. I looked to the right and believed that I had correctly viewed that nothing was approaching from the right, so I made the left turn. As I crossed the intersection, I glanced right once more and saw a vehicle heading straight for me at what could only have been in excess of ninety miles per hour. We saw each other. I saw the look in the other guy’s eyes because we were that close. A collision was absolutely inevitable. There is no way on this earth that it could have been avoided.

What happens next is EXTREMELY difficult to describe, but I will do my best. And this can be (and must be) taken to apply to everything that I am going to attempt to relate from this point onwards. Words, even the most carefully chosen words, capture no more than 1% of this experience at best, and even then very poorly. This is quite possibly the most frustrating thing about giving this account.

Across from the front of the car on the left, in almost the opposite direction to the oncoming vehicle, was a field. I suddenly became aware of a very large 'object' approaching slowly on a diagonal across this field. It was coming directly towards my car. Time was not functioning normally while this was happening, if it was functioning at all. I had the space to notice this happening, but I can’t explain how I was able to do that. The object when I first saw it, appeared to be about the size of a ten-floor tower block. It subjectively seemed to be about two or three hundred yards across the field. These size and distance descriptions are meaningless, as I’ll try to explain in a moment.

The object resembled a giant waterwheel lying on its side and rotating as it approached me and my vehicle. As it got closer, this didn’t take time, as we understand it. I saw that my first observation about its size was wildly inaccurate. It was more like the size of a small city. As it got closer still, I understood that all scale and distance estimates were meaningless. It was larger than what we think of as the world. As it approached me, I became aware of its power and significance. My mind interpreted this as being an up-close, giant-scale physical object.

Okay, now this part is particularly difficult to explain. As the object drew near to me, a kind of sensation came over my person and I knew exactly what this thing was. Not only that, but I knew everything that pertained to it, what it was, what it was doing, what it’s 'business' was with me, where and when I had seen it before, why I was seeing it now, and many many other things that I cannot now recall.

I had seen the object before I was born and I will see it again when I die. We all knew it before we were born. We will all see it when we die. But this information is eclipsed from us while we are alive. And that was why I was seeing it now in the experience, because I was in the process of dying in a fatal car crash.

Here’s what I can remember, as best it words can tell. This wheel wasn’t something that moved towards me through the world, or through reality somehow. That was an illusion that my senses were constructing for me. The wheel WAS reality, itself. It represented EVERY CONCEIVABLE POSSIBILITY for a life or for a world that could ever be envisioned or imagined. As it approached, I became aware that what we call our world was contained within it. It was simply one of the numberless slots or paddles in the 'water wheel.' It had always been so. My life, your life, our world, all of us - we were a part of this wheel structure and we had always been a part of this structure. It simply now made itself visible to me.

There then began the truly terrifying dimension of this experience. Words cannot even begin to describe the level of fear I experienced. The water wheel sort of rolled across me and then across the place where my car was in the road. As it did so, I began to be hit by each of the paddles in the wheel.

Remember that all of this is just a way of talking. It does not, and cannot, remotely describe the real situation as it actually was.

But some sense of it can be had by imagining that in the space of each 'paddle' there was a kind of spinning film of water, like a waterfall on its side. Imagine a film of water being thrown outward from the wheel in each slot, as if by centrifugal force. Imagine being slapped or splashed by each of these films as you collide with it and pass through it to the next one. This is what was happening. Except these weren’t just films of water. They were (for want of a better term) possible realities or what we might think of as universes or worlds. Again, our world, our entire universe as we normally think of it, was simply one among an infinite number of these. How did I know that there was an infinite number? I just did. A kind of knowing came with the event, and there was no doubting this knowing. It WAS so, and I knew it was so.

And because I had knowledge and understood what was happening in ways I can no longer communicate, I was afraid. I understood that I was about to be subject to the process that humans approximated with the term 'reincarnation.' This was why the wheel had come. I represented a kind of discrepancy that had to be fixed. The event, or perhaps the imminent event, on the highway had caused me to slip out of or fall between the paddles on the wheel. This structure had some kind of cosmic purpose of sorting things into their correct natural place. I was afraid and resisted being 'sorted' so the wheel stepped up its aggressive attempts to 'sort' me correctly.

With this came another understanding that frightened me even more. I knew that unless I soon selected one of these realities to slide back into, that the wheel would coerce the situation by deciding for me. One way or another, I WOULD be 'sorted' whether I liked it or not. If I didn’t choose for myself, I would simply be fitted into place at some nearest position on the wheel to the point where I failed to make the decision; if that makes sense. I was aware of having a limited ability to choose, but not much. Even that limited ability wasn’t much use because each reality slammed against me and through me before I could make much sense of what it contained.

Even I did not remain the same from one slot in the wheel to the next. It was as if when each film broke over me, I was destroyed and made again from the ground up as a completely new self. There was no continuous 'me' that traveled unaltered through that wheel and can somehow report back on this experience. This is just one of the many things that is so very hard to explain. The very idea of a continuous self was contradicted by this experience.

I have forgotten, or perhaps it was deliberately suppressed, the vast majority of what I saw in the various universes or paddles of the wheel. At the beginning, they seemed very similar to this world we inhabit, or believe ourselves to inhabit. For example, I have a floating memory of seeing various different scenarios of how the accident played out. I suspect that these were all nearby paddles on the wheel. In one of them I remember seeing what looked like my vehicle thrown right off the road and so badly damaged that it looked like it had been folded in the center like a pocket knife. I seemed to recall many other scenarios like this that I can no longer remember. To clarify: what I mean is that I seemed to file or flip through numerous conceivable (quantum?) possibilities for the outcome of the accident. I can remember doing this, but I cannot remember what any of these particular 'worlds' contained.

I have no explanation for why I failed to experience any of the phenomena usually reported with the imminent death situations like the tunnel, the light, and so on. I suspect that imminent death experiences are symbolic scenarios that flash up just as someone is entering or exiting the wheel, but before the situation has developed very far. At no stage did I see anything whatever that resembled what we humans would think of as an afterlife or spirit world or life after death realm. It’s as if we are either on the outer surface of the wheel itself, in one of its realized worlds, or else we are dead and we are the wheel itself. The wheel is a space where all uncreated possibility exists, but nothing completed or actual. And bear in mind that nothing was concealed from me. I was the ALL, and knew the ALL. I certainly don’t retain it or pretend do, but I knew it then.

I began to grow extremely panicked. Each time I thought I was just beginning to get a handle on things, I would be slapped over violently and ruthlessly into a new slot in the wheel and a whole new 'me' would crystallize, along with all the memories and assumptions that went along with that world. I remembered none of who I was just a moment ago in another paddle on the wheel. I had no memory whatsoever of where I had come from or the highway situation in my world. I had zero memory of that world. I knew I had come from a 'somewhere' but had no recollection of where that was, or even who I was. It was about the most bizarre thing that you could imagine.

Somehow though, and I can only assume that it happened without any conscious action on my part, the possibilities appearing in the wheel began to narrow down and become somewhat more familiar again. Scenarios associated with the accident began to appear once more. I say once more, but I have no real way of knowing whether this was a separate incidence of this to what I described above, or whether it was really the same incidence because time was functioning so unusually during the whole episode.

Again I saw, or seemed to see, variations or possible world-outcomes where I died in the crash. I seemed to understand intuitively that if I went 'into' any of these, I would be there for only a few moments or minutes at most, and then I would have to come out and face the wheel again almost immediately. I didn’t want to do this. But there was an odd kind of knowing associated with that too. The wheel didn’t seem bothered one way or the other. It didn’t seem to matter to it whether I emerged again in three minutes time or three decades time. All it cared about was sorting me, and there was a kind of ruthlessness to this that I will not soon forget.

I found myself back on the highway in what seemed to be a very short distance back up the road, still approaching the intersection. This is just one of the many mysteries associated with the event that I cannot explain. Did I choose a world which was a version of our universe in which the accident hadn’t quite happened yet, but was just seconds away from happening? I can’t say, because I have no memory of making that decision. I remember the look on that driver’s face as clearly as if it were yesterday. I remember him bracing back on the wheel. But I braked as I reached the intersection and that driver, or his car, were simply nowhere to be seen.


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Either a Buddhist or a Jewish NDE?


HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...…………….wtf
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Sounds like something described as 'Ezekiel's Wheel' - a 'wheel within a wheel.'

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Read and enjoy. One of the most amazing Near Death Experiences.

Experience Description
A friend persuaded me to submit this account, against my natural tendency on the matter. I have no real interest in following it up or being contacted in any way. It was a very frightening episode. It is traumatic enough, to be honest, to recall it just once at length here. But having set out to describe it, I will be as frank and as accurate as language can allow.

On the 15th July 2013, at about 7.45am, I was on my way to work and approaching the intersection and getting ready to take a left-hand turn. This is a notoriously dangerous intersection on any day, and there have been many accidents there. It is hard to see if the intersection is clear from the right and the left turn is particularly hazardous. I was running late and in a flustered state of mind. I had an important meeting that I’d been planning for carefully over a number of days, and a really stupid delay at the last minute put all of that in jeopardy. It should also be understood that a much better traffic signal system exists there today than was in place at the time of this incident.

I approached the intersection in a hurry. I looked to the right and believed that I had correctly viewed that nothing was approaching from the right, so I made the left turn. As I crossed the intersection, I glanced right once more and saw a vehicle heading straight for me at what could only have been in excess of ninety miles per hour. We saw each other. I saw the look in the other guy’s eyes because we were that close. A collision was absolutely inevitable. There is no way on this earth that it could have been avoided.

What happens next is EXTREMELY difficult to describe, but I will do my best. And this can be (and must be) taken to apply to everything that I am going to attempt to relate from this point onwards. Words, even the most carefully chosen words, capture no more than 1% of this experience at best, and even then very poorly. This is quite possibly the most frustrating thing about giving this account.

Across from the front of the car on the left, in almost the opposite direction to the oncoming vehicle, was a field. I suddenly became aware of a very large 'object' approaching slowly on a diagonal across this field. It was coming directly towards my car. Time was not functioning normally while this was happening, if it was functioning at all. I had the space to notice this happening, but I can’t explain how I was able to do that. The object when I first saw it, appeared to be about the size of a ten-floor tower block. It subjectively seemed to be about two or three hundred yards across the field. These size and distance descriptions are meaningless, as I’ll try to explain in a moment.

The object resembled a giant waterwheel lying on its side and rotating as it approached me and my vehicle. As it got closer, this didn’t take time, as we understand it. I saw that my first observation about its size was wildly inaccurate. It was more like the size of a small city. As it got closer still, I understood that all scale and distance estimates were meaningless. It was larger than what we think of as the world. As it approached me, I became aware of its power and significance. My mind interpreted this as being an up-close, giant-scale physical object.

Okay, now this part is particularly difficult to explain. As the object drew near to me, a kind of sensation came over my person and I knew exactly what this thing was. Not only that, but I knew everything that pertained to it, what it was, what it was doing, what it’s 'business' was with me, where and when I had seen it before, why I was seeing it now, and many many other things that I cannot now recall.

I had seen the object before I was born and I will see it again when I die. We all knew it before we were born. We will all see it when we die. But this information is eclipsed from us while we are alive. And that was why I was seeing it now in the experience, because I was in the process of dying in a fatal car crash.

Here’s what I can remember, as best it words can tell. This wheel wasn’t something that moved towards me through the world, or through reality somehow. That was an illusion that my senses were constructing for me. The wheel WAS reality, itself. It represented EVERY CONCEIVABLE POSSIBILITY for a life or for a world that could ever be envisioned or imagined. As it approached, I became aware that what we call our world was contained within it. It was simply one of the numberless slots or paddles in the 'water wheel.' It had always been so. My life, your life, our world, all of us - we were a part of this wheel structure and we had always been a part of this structure. It simply now made itself visible to me.

There then began the truly terrifying dimension of this experience. Words cannot even begin to describe the level of fear I experienced. The water wheel sort of rolled across me and then across the place where my car was in the road. As it did so, I began to be hit by each of the paddles in the wheel.

Remember that all of this is just a way of talking. It does not, and cannot, remotely describe the real situation as it actually was.

But some sense of it can be had by imagining that in the space of each 'paddle' there was a kind of spinning film of water, like a waterfall on its side. Imagine a film of water being thrown outward from the wheel in each slot, as if by centrifugal force. Imagine being slapped or splashed by each of these films as you collide with it and pass through it to the next one. This is what was happening. Except these weren’t just films of water. They were (for want of a better term) possible realities or what we might think of as universes or worlds. Again, our world, our entire universe as we normally think of it, was simply one among an infinite number of these. How did I know that there was an infinite number? I just did. A kind of knowing came with the event, and there was no doubting this knowing. It WAS so, and I knew it was so.

And because I had knowledge and understood what was happening in ways I can no longer communicate, I was afraid. I understood that I was about to be subject to the process that humans approximated with the term 'reincarnation.' This was why the wheel had come. I represented a kind of discrepancy that had to be fixed. The event, or perhaps the imminent event, on the highway had caused me to slip out of or fall between the paddles on the wheel. This structure had some kind of cosmic purpose of sorting things into their correct natural place. I was afraid and resisted being 'sorted' so the wheel stepped up its aggressive attempts to 'sort' me correctly.

With this came another understanding that frightened me even more. I knew that unless I soon selected one of these realities to slide back into, that the wheel would coerce the situation by deciding for me. One way or another, I WOULD be 'sorted' whether I liked it or not. If I didn’t choose for myself, I would simply be fitted into place at some nearest position on the wheel to the point where I failed to make the decision; if that makes sense. I was aware of having a limited ability to choose, but not much. Even that limited ability wasn’t much use because each reality slammed against me and through me before I could make much sense of what it contained.

Even I did not remain the same from one slot in the wheel to the next. It was as if when each film broke over me, I was destroyed and made again from the ground up as a completely new self. There was no continuous 'me' that traveled unaltered through that wheel and can somehow report back on this experience. This is just one of the many things that is so very hard to explain. The very idea of a continuous self was contradicted by this experience.

I have forgotten, or perhaps it was deliberately suppressed, the vast majority of what I saw in the various universes or paddles of the wheel. At the beginning, they seemed very similar to this world we inhabit, or believe ourselves to inhabit. For example, I have a floating memory of seeing various different scenarios of how the accident played out. I suspect that these were all nearby paddles on the wheel. In one of them I remember seeing what looked like my vehicle thrown right off the road and so badly damaged that it looked like it had been folded in the center like a pocket knife. I seemed to recall many other scenarios like this that I can no longer remember. To clarify: what I mean is that I seemed to file or flip through numerous conceivable (quantum?) possibilities for the outcome of the accident. I can remember doing this, but I cannot remember what any of these particular 'worlds' contained.

I have no explanation for why I failed to experience any of the phenomena usually reported with the imminent death situations like the tunnel, the light, and so on. I suspect that imminent death experiences are symbolic scenarios that flash up just as someone is entering or exiting the wheel, but before the situation has developed very far. At no stage did I see anything whatever that resembled what we humans would think of as an afterlife or spirit world or life after death realm. It’s as if we are either on the outer surface of the wheel itself, in one of its realized worlds, or else we are dead and we are the wheel itself. The wheel is a space where all uncreated possibility exists, but nothing completed or actual. And bear in mind that nothing was concealed from me. I was the ALL, and knew the ALL. I certainly don’t retain it or pretend do, but I knew it then.

I began to grow extremely panicked. Each time I thought I was just beginning to get a handle on things, I would be slapped over violently and ruthlessly into a new slot in the wheel and a whole new 'me' would crystallize, along with all the memories and assumptions that went along with that world. I remembered none of who I was just a moment ago in another paddle on the wheel. I had no memory whatsoever of where I had come from or the highway situation in my world. I had zero memory of that world. I knew I had come from a 'somewhere' but had no recollection of where that was, or even who I was. It was about the most bizarre thing that you could imagine.

Somehow though, and I can only assume that it happened without any conscious action on my part, the possibilities appearing in the wheel began to narrow down and become somewhat more familiar again. Scenarios associated with the accident began to appear once more. I say once more, but I have no real way of knowing whether this was a separate incidence of this to what I described above, or whether it was really the same incidence because time was functioning so unusually during the whole episode.

Again I saw, or seemed to see, variations or possible world-outcomes where I died in the crash. I seemed to understand intuitively that if I went 'into' any of these, I would be there for only a few moments or minutes at most, and then I would have to come out and face the wheel again almost immediately. I didn’t want to do this. But there was an odd kind of knowing associated with that too. The wheel didn’t seem bothered one way or the other. It didn’t seem to matter to it whether I emerged again in three minutes time or three decades time. All it cared about was sorting me, and there was a kind of ruthlessness to this that I will not soon forget.

I found myself back on the highway in what seemed to be a very short distance back up the road, still approaching the intersection. This is just one of the many mysteries associated with the event that I cannot explain. Did I choose a world which was a version of our universe in which the accident hadn’t quite happened yet, but was just seconds away from happening? I can’t say, because I have no memory of making that decision. I remember the look on that driver’s face as clearly as if it were yesterday. I remember him bracing back on the wheel. But I braked as I reached the intersection and that driver, or his car, were simply nowhere to be seen.


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This is weird in that earlier this evening I had been thinking the trillions of souls who have come and and gone on this earth, reincarnating, over and over, going through what the Indians (from India) call the wheel of life and death. I think about it often and always visualize it like looking at a giant water wheel!!! I always see it from the side, like an installed and working water wheel, but huge and with little people being spewed out one side and scooped up on the other, just like a real water water wheel scoops up the water and it falls off as it goes around. I attributed that that image from the Indian phrase (wheel of life and death) but never imagined anything like this guy experienced. I'd have to guess that his experience was symbolic or symbolism for something he couldn't comprehend but the symbol, due to the ancient Indian phrase, seems almost archetypal. I must say, his experience sounds scary and stressful, unlike the majority of accounts about seeing the light, tunnels and whatnot.

Thanks for sharing, OP. It's fascinating.

BTW, the Indian saints teach that we come here to refine ourselves to get OFF the wheel of life and death and for further incarnations to end. I firmly believe this is consistent with what Christ taught and it's best illustrated with his command to "go and sin no more". That's what we have to do and until we do, we keep going round and round that wheel until we advance enough to get off and proceed to higher plains of existence to continue the refining.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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This does not match up with any of the over 30 million recorded NDE's this one stands alone and that damns it.
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Some people that have taken salvia have reported to see the same wheel.

The wheel appears in the Bible (Ezekiel) and is consistent with Buddhist accounts.
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I've not watched your video, yet, and it's interesting that this is an experience have with salvia but, I just want to say that for anyone who wants to get off the wheel, don't do drugs - even for so called "spiritual" experience. There are no shortcuts and they will set you back on the long journey. Be non violent in thought, word and deed. Learn to become unattached while giving and receiving love and go and sin no more. That's the only way (no matter what religion or path one chooses). Do the work.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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I read that account years ago. Freaked me out. It doesnt sound pleasant at all. According to the experience we are simply cogs in a universal machine. Basically eternal slaves to whatever drives this "wheel" with no choice at all.
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Not really. He said there were choices but they went by too fast to absorb them. I suspect that may be due to his memory (or lack thereof) and the choices are more carefully considered and suited to our needs.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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I actually have experienced it. 10 years ago.

I saw it more like a page of a book turning.

I flipped into another page. Yes is was from Salvia


Minor things are different now.


Like the color of my Grandpas curtains.

Used to be blue.. Now they're yellow.

He swears it's the same color they've always been.


I'm not gonna go into detail but.

Yes it's all true.

There are different realities.

And once you know.. You cannot unknow.

One of the things that really bugged me was the fact that my Grandma looked slightly different after turning the page. I eventually got used to it. She died of Cancer 5 years ago. But a year ago I visited my hometown and she came to me in a dream saying she had Alzheimer's. But it was the way I originally remember her looking. Only 10 years older.

Really freaked me the fuck out.
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Wow, fascinating! I'm glad I've never done salvia. I'm eccentric and neurotic enough, lol.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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It was enlightening how God didn't force a belief into this unbelieving man throughout the experience. At the link, the author of this says he was, and still is, an atheist although he now says there probably is no God.

He seems to function with a high level of what he perceives to be objectivity, an objectivity he doesn't want to let go of. He appears to hold himself out as someone who observes.

He let on that his emotional connections to people were and are mild which says, to me at least, that he values "being objective" over valuing relationships. Once again, God didn't intrude or force him outside his comfort zone.
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Interesting. I didn't read the link but will. Perhaps (or for sure) his own beliefs informed his experience and perceptions.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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This does not match up with any of the over 30 million recorded NDE's this one stands alone and that damns it.
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for you?..k cool bro, have a good day maeng
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Not at all what I experienced anytime Ive almost died or died.Ive been saved by an invisible force/energy When I almost rode off a cliff and when I fell under the ice and when I escaped an abduction that made the news,this all happened in my younger years along with many very negative energies that circled me and were able to move things.
The one time I died,I went into what seemed like a pregame loby for an MMO game,everyone knew me instantly and I knew them,I could hear them all yelling happily at me and was able to hone in on any one voice at my liking,I wanted to stay in that place,that seemed like a room of intense bright light,I liken it to,if you were code zipping through an ether net cable,and all though other code represented your very close friends that you've know since time began.
Ive also had other experiences with loved ones that have passed and came back to intervene in my physical life,two of those situations involved events that made local and national news.
I am convinced we are in a program as a soul,and this is the only way to have a physical experience...or we are in a program against our will,but that lobby area that I mentioned didnt feel like punishment or we were being used for nefarious purposes.
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I found this thread late so nobody's talking on it but I'm coming back to it because it's amazing and I want to hear more about your experiences. Holy shit.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Read the philosophy of Boethius...

He has it spot on....

Boethius:
It's my belief that history is a wheel. "Inconsistency is my very essence" -says the wheel- "Rise up on my spokes if you like, but don't complain when you are cast back down into the depths. Good times pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it is also our hope. The worst of times, like the best, are always passing away".
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:-|
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Good God, these salvia stories are blowing my mind. Not that I planned to but I would never do that shit after reading this stuff. I'm afraid I'd end up in a mental hospital.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Ophanim.
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The ophanim or ofanim, also called galgalim, refer to the wheels seen in Ezekiel's vision of the chariot in Ezekiel 1:15-21. One of the Dead Sea scrolls construes them as angels; late sections of the Book of Enoch portray them as a class of celestial beings who never sleep, but guard the throne of God. These "wheels" have been associated with Daniel 7:9 of the four, eye-covered wheels, that move next to the winged Cherubim, beneath the throne of God.

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In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Ophanim.
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The ophanim or ofanim, also called galgalim, refer to the wheels seen in Ezekiel's vision of the chariot in Ezekiel 1:15-21. One of the Dead Sea scrolls construes them as angels; late sections of the Book of Enoch portray them as a class of celestial beings who never sleep, but guard the throne of God. These "wheels" have been associated with Daniel 7:9 of the four, eye-covered wheels, that move next to the winged Cherubim, beneath the throne of God.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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In the Bible they are called w@tchers.(banword)

It seems as if the rims of these discs had what were perceived as eyes, but we now would consider as port holes.
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Ophanim.
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The ophanim or ofanim, also called galgalim, refer to the wheels seen in Ezekiel's vision of the chariot in Ezekiel 1:15-21. One of the Dead Sea scrolls construes them as angels; late sections of the Book of Enoch portray them as a class of celestial beings who never sleep, but guard the throne of God. These "wheels" have been associated with Daniel 7:9 of the four, eye-covered wheels, that move next to the winged Cherubim, beneath the throne of God.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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In the Bible they are called w@tchers.(banword)

It seems as if the rims of these discs had what were perceived as eyes, but we now would consider as port holes.
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Ezekiel's wheel?


Wild story. Thanks OP.


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