Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78229229 United States 12/11/2019 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Why would they still renew warrants for Carter Page in 2017 when he was not even part of the Trump administration? There could not have been any valuable information from just Carter Page at the time of the renewals? Yet the FBI falsified documents and lied to the FISA court to get these renewals. So they must have seen great value in keeping the FISA warrants open. They really wanted these for some reason. Which begs the question, did the Carter Page FISA warrant allow them to spy on several other Trump officials who had contact with Carter Page in the past? Quoting: LoneStarRising :fucky: They needed it to justify the timeframe when they were ‘illegally’ spying without a warrant. When they got the FISA, it’s retroactive - which covered the timeframe they didn’t have the warrant. That’s the BIG takeaway here as Nunes keeps saying: Spying started before FISA |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78229229 United States 12/11/2019 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Why would they still renew warrants for Carter Page in 2017 when he was not even part of the Trump administration? There could not have been any valuable information from just Carter Page at the time of the renewals? Yet the FBI falsified documents and lied to the FISA court to get these renewals. So they must have seen great value in keeping the FISA warrants open. They really wanted these for some reason. Which begs the question, did the Carter Page FISA warrant allow them to spy on several other Trump officials who had contact with Carter Page in the past? Quoting: LoneStarRising :fucky: They needed it to justify the timeframe when they were ‘illegally’ spying without a warrant. When they got the FISA, it’s retroactive - which covered the timeframe they didn’t have the warrant. That’s the BIG takeaway here as Nunes keeps saying: Spying started before FISA The continuance was to entrap Trump or anyone anywhere on anything. It was sent to Mueller to comb through. Part of the insurance policy. |
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LoneStarRising
(OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 78237882 United States 12/11/2019 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Why would they still renew warrants for Carter Page in 2017 when he was not even part of the Trump administration? There could not have been any valuable information from just Carter Page at the time of the renewals? Yet the FBI falsified documents and lied to the FISA court to get these renewals. So they must have seen great value in keeping the FISA warrants open. They really wanted these for some reason. Which begs the question, did the Carter Page FISA warrant allow them to spy on several other Trump officials who had contact with Carter Page in the past? Quoting: LoneStarRising They needed it to justify the timeframe when they were ‘illegally’ spying without a warrant. When they got the FISA, it’s retroactive - which covered the timeframe they didn’t have the warrant. That’s the BIG takeaway here as Nunes keeps saying: Spying started before FISA The continuance was to entrap Trump or anyone anywhere on anything. It was sent to Mueller to comb through. Part of the insurance policy. How could they entrap Trump is the FISA warrant only allowed them to spy on Carter Page? He had little or no contact with the new Trump administration. The FISA warrant must have allowed them to spy on more than just Page. A nose in the tent in other words. Last Edited by LoneStarRising on 12/11/2019 05:50 PM LoneStarRising |
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User ID: 45904129 United States 12/11/2019 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump My understanding is that it does indeed allow them to spy on people connected to the target. There's never a dull moment here on planet earth, unless GLP ceased to exist... Oh, and Biden can't dress himself.... |
LoneStarRising
(OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 78237882 United States 12/11/2019 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Just found this: Journalist Sharyl Attkisson, the host of "Full Measure," follows up on her interview with former federal prosecutor Sidney Powell about her allegation that the "entire Russia collusion narrative was made up" by anti-Trump political partisans in the FBI and Department of Justice. Attkisson reports how one FISA warrant against Trump staffer Carter Page could be used to legally surveil 25,000 people who were associated with him: [link to www.realclearpolitics.com (secure)] LoneStarRising |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78239557 United States 12/11/2019 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Why would they still renew warrants for Carter Page in 2017 when he was not even part of the Trump administration? There could not have been any valuable information from just Carter Page at the time of the renewals? Yet the FBI falsified documents and lied to the FISA court to get these renewals. So they must have seen great value in keeping the FISA warrants open. They really wanted these for some reason. Which begs the question, did the Carter Page FISA warrant allow them to spy on several other Trump officials who had contact with Carter Page in the past? Quoting: LoneStarRising :fucky: To undermine the presidency and future election meddling purposes as the "sources" continued leaking anti Trump propaganda to MSM. Yeah...not politically biased at all. |
LoneStarRising
(OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 78237882 United States 12/11/2019 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Fuck! Look at this shit! The surveillance would have included Trump's phone also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SIDNEY POWELL: And what most people don't understand is, they don't just get everything they want against Carter Page, they get everything they want against every person who communicated with Carter Page, and against every person who communicated with that person. So it goes out what's called two hops. SHARYL ATTKISSON: And that would allow them to find intelligence from someone nowhere near the original center that they went to the FISA Court about? SIDNEY POWELL: Exactly. They could have all kinds of banking records and personal information on tens of thousands of people by virtue of those FISA applications. [link to www.realclearpolitics.com (secure)] LoneStarRising |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20707354 United States 12/11/2019 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump My understanding is that it does indeed allow them to spy on people connected to the target. Quoting: Penny Peppers I remember reading something about that. If I remember correctly, it allowed them to spy on contacts several layers deep! If you were the target, they could spy on you, anybody communicating with you, and anybody communicating with those people. So, by having a bogus FISA warrant to go after Page, it was pretty much open season on everybody in the Trump camp -- including Trump himself! |
LoneStarRising
(OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 78237882 United States 12/11/2019 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump My understanding is that it does indeed allow them to spy on people connected to the target. Quoting: Penny Peppers I remember reading something about that. If I remember correctly, it allowed them to spy on contacts several layers deep! If you were the target, they could spy on you, anybody communicating with you, and anybody communicating with those people. So, by having a bogus FISA warrant to go after Page, it was pretty much open season on everybody in the Trump camp -- including Trump himself! Everyone should know about this. I think most people assume it was just Carter Page or a limited number of people near him that were spied on. It was up to 25,000 people and probably included everyone in the Trump campaign and for sure included Trump himself. The MSM does not highlight how huge the spying was. LoneStarRising |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20707354 United States 12/11/2019 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Fuck! Look at this shit! The surveillance would have included Trump's phone also. Quoting: LoneStarRising ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SIDNEY POWELL: And what most people don't understand is, they don't just get everything they want against Carter Page, they get everything they want against every person who communicated with Carter Page, and against every person who communicated with that person. So it goes out what's called two hops. SHARYL ATTKISSON: And that would allow them to find intelligence from someone nowhere near the original center that they went to the FISA Court about? SIDNEY POWELL: Exactly. They could have all kinds of banking records and personal information on tens of thousands of people by virtue of those FISA applications. [link to www.realclearpolitics.com (secure)] That's some REALLY SCARY STUFF™, especially when you realize it was obtained via a BOGUS warrant! |
rccola
User ID: 73963206 United States 12/11/2019 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump My understanding is that it does indeed allow them to spy on people connected to the target. Quoting: Penny Peppers I remember reading something about that. If I remember correctly, it allowed them to spy on contacts several layers deep! If you were the target, they could spy on you, anybody communicating with you, and anybody communicating with those people. So, by having a bogus FISA warrant to go after Page, it was pretty much open season on everybody in the Trump camp -- including Trump himself! Everyone should know about this. I think most people assume it was just Carter Page or a limited number of people near him that were spied on. It was up to 25,000 people and probably included everyone in the Trump campaign and for sure included Trump himself. The MSM does not highlight how huge the spying was. Certainly all meta data phone records were scooped up several layers deep with a FISA warrant. What I think is most distressing is that Page claims to have been an " asset" as early as 2014 for both CIA and FBI. So the only reason to get a FISA warrant would be to spy on the rest of the campaign.The "asset" is essentially an agent. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77635505 United States 12/11/2019 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Why would they still renew warrants for Carter Page in 2017 when he was not even part of the Trump administration? There could not have been any valuable information from just Carter Page at the time of the renewals? Yet the FBI falsified documents and lied to the FISA court to get these renewals. So they must have seen great value in keeping the FISA warrants open. They really wanted these for some reason. Which begs the question, did the Carter Page FISA warrant allow them to spy on several other Trump officials who had contact with Carter Page in the past? Quoting: LoneStarRising :fucky: They needed it to justify the timeframe when they were ‘illegally’ spying without a warrant. When they got the FISA, it’s retroactive - which covered the timeframe they didn’t have the warrant. That’s the BIG takeaway here as Nunes keeps saying: Spying started before FISA The continuance was to entrap Trump or anyone anywhere on anything. It was sent to Mueller to comb through. Part of the insurance policy. How could they entrap Trump is the FISA warrant only allowed them to spy on Carter Page? He had little or no contact with the new Trump administration. The FISA warrant must have allowed them to spy on more than just Page. A nose in the tent in other words. The FISA warrant allows them to investigate anyone 2 hops away from the target. This means if you are the target and talk to person A, person A talks to person B, then FBI can investigate A and B as well. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78229229 United States 12/11/2019 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Fuck! Look at this shit! The surveillance would have included Trump's phone also. Quoting: LoneStarRising ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SIDNEY POWELL: And what most people don't understand is, they don't just get everything they want against Carter Page, they get everything they want against every person who communicated with Carter Page, and against every person who communicated with that person. So it goes out what's called two hops. SHARYL ATTKISSON: And that would allow them to find intelligence from someone nowhere near the original center that they went to the FISA Court about? SIDNEY POWELL: Exactly. They could have all kinds of banking records and personal information on tens of thousands of people by virtue of those FISA applications. [link to www.realclearpolitics.com (secure)] Yes. It allows them to get emails, phone calls and tap their home. It’s also retroactive. I don’t know the exact length of time it goes back —7years? Who knows. But yes- it’s been reported as the two hop rule which is limitless. They store everyone’s phone calls so when fisa was approved, they give the dates they want. Data is constantly being stored and ready to be handed over on anyone & everyone at any given time. |
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User ID: 46420627 United States 12/11/2019 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump What I think is most distressing is that Page claims to have been an " asset" as early as 2014 for both CIA and FBI. So the only reason to get a FISA warrant would be to spy on the rest of the campaign.The "asset" is essentially an agent. Quoting: rccola The very fact that this did not raise a sea of "red flags" suggests that this is the FBI's usual method of spying. They send in an informant/asset of an American or British intelligence agency, secure a FISA warrant on that person, and thereby spy on tens of thousands of people. |
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(OP) Forum Moderator User ID: 75146977 United States 12/11/2019 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump My understanding is that it does indeed allow them to spy on people connected to the target. Quoting: Penny Peppers I remember reading something about that. If I remember correctly, it allowed them to spy on contacts several layers deep! If you were the target, they could spy on you, anybody communicating with you, and anybody communicating with those people. So, by having a bogus FISA warrant to go after Page, it was pretty much open season on everybody in the Trump camp -- including Trump himself! Everyone should know about this. I think most people assume it was just Carter Page or a limited number of people near him that were spied on. It was up to 25,000 people and probably included everyone in the Trump campaign and for sure included Trump himself. The MSM does not highlight how huge the spying was. Certainly all meta data phone records were scooped up several layers deep with a FISA warrant. What I think is most distressing is that Page claims to have been an " asset" as early as 2014 for both CIA and FBI. So the only reason to get a FISA warrant would be to spy on the rest of the campaign.The "asset" is essentially an agent. According to the report. The FBI knew Page was a CIA asset and hid it from the FISA court. Actually tampered with and email that showed he was an asset. LoneStarRising |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78229229 United States 12/11/2019 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump This link is very interesting. Asks the same question in the sense of what was the justification for Mueller to SEIZE the Trump transition team computers & phone records since Carter had already left the campaign. (Rosenstein would’ve had to have given authority in a scope memo which the DOJ won’t release). Most of us were under the impression they had a fisa out on Papa, Manafort & Flynn which would’ve justified above. Today Horowitz said they only found one fisa which was on Carter. The counter Intel description in link shows they had a CI on all four members so they were spying on three outside of fisa. [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] |
CSnow
User ID: 74827762 United States 12/11/2019 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump look the Patriots used the republicans very tools of the Patriot act against them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66495816 they sign the Patriot law into act, they ordered a shit sandwich, now they have to EAT IT "The Patriots used...."? Labeling a bunch of sleazy, America-goddamning liberals/leftists/progressives/Socialists/Communists as "patriots"? Good sarcasm. . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77046882 United States 12/16/2019 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Electronic surveillance on the whole transition team before and after election. Never in the history of this Nation, so much corruption and deceit. And most of it CIA propelled. Like putting their own Rabbit in there and saying...nope we don’t know him, chase that bugger and all his contacts. Except Carter Page never even met President Trump....... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73848670 Canada 12/16/2019 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Did the Carter Page FISA Warrant Allow Them to Spy on Other Trump Officials? Update: It allowed them to spy on up to 25000 people close Trump Electronic surveillance on the whole transition team before and after election. Never in the history of this Nation, so much corruption and deceit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77046882 And most of it CIA propelled. Like putting their own Rabbit in there and saying...nope we don’t know him, chase that bugger and all his contacts. Except Carter Page never even met President Trump....... Then they redacted Halper's name from the IG report. @BarbaraRedgate Retweeted Techno Fog [link to twitter.com (secure)] Review-Of Paid FBI/CIA Spy Smearing Scumbag Stefan Halper-Why Is His Name Redacted In IG Horowitz Report?! Who Was His FBI/CIA Handler?! |