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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4252981 United States 12/19/2019 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is actually okay to hate gays, though. It is okay to like gays, of course. But trying to force people to respect something they did not like in the first place is only going to cause more tension and anger. Actually, I have much, much less respect for the 'pride' movement ever since they made a cult out of it and tried to shove their dildos down everybody's throats. And I started out as 'tolerant' and 'open minded' to the idea that people just 'wanted to be.' It turns out, groups hardly ever 'want to be.' Not groups who rely on needing to shock and to make proving points constantly, anyway. "look at me! look at me!" People getting in your way of your own life so constantly to say 'look at me! Respect me! worship me!--- Why aren't you looking at me, respecting me and worshipping me! Bigot, sexist!" Yeah, you start to loathe them and question their intelligence after a while. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78263986 United States 12/19/2019 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will be thrown out. Flag burning is free speech. Already ruled. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78125628 I suppose that you're OK with anyone coming onto your property and burning whatever flag you choose to display then... There is a difference between burning a flag that is the possession of another on another's property and burning a flag that one is in sole possession of on one's own private or public property. Agreed. The main problem here is that he trespassed and stole someone else's property, not that he burned a flag. If he wanted to make this statement, he should have bought his own rainbow flag and burned it. That said, they really threw the book at this guy and most likely would not have applied the same treatment if it had been, say an Antifa stealing a POW flag off a VFW hall. Petty theft is not a crime deserving of 15 years, and burning a flag shouldn't really be considered arson unless he burned it indoors somewhere. Do we know where he set the flag on fire? My guess is adding the hate crime designation to it is what allowed them to get such an unusual sentence for otherwise minor crimes. forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who tresspass against us. hell in Europe for centuries there was no such thing as 'tresspassing', everyman's right. people are allowed to walk across your property you know if they need to , you cannot use property lines to encumber a person's right to move about or go somewhere, that's in the constitution |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78263986 United States 12/19/2019 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if your right to property does not take precedence, over anothers right to get to the store or wherever he needs to go, then it surely does not take precedence over more important needs, like food, medical care, sleep, shelter in other words, if a homeless person is dying in the cold, he has a right to enter your home and take shelter, you have no right to deny him food or shelter. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74827762 United States 12/19/2019 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Adolfo Martinez, 30, of Ames, was sentenced Wednesday to 15 years for the hate crime of arson and given a year for reckless use of explosives or fire and 30 days for harassment. The sentences are to be served consecutively, Story County court records said. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78265955 There were no explosives. This was not a violent crime. He removed a flag at a church and burned it in protest. Had he lit the church on fire with people inside, the sentence would have been justified. People just need to be honest about their political motivations and biases. I admit I'm of the right and would have been way more disgusted if the guy had grabbed a church's US flag and burned it. But even I'd say that punishment of 15 years was bullshit. In that case, I'd have to admit such a sentence would be rightwing bullshit. Then again, since people of the right tend to be motivated by common sense and ethics way more than what influences people of the left, I doubt if such a conservative overreach will ever occur. By contrast, I'm fully aware of the mini-Stalins, mini-Maos and mini-Castros/Maduros of a society. I'm fairly sure any judge or jury giving 15 years for burning a flag that often is used in sex-freak parades (otherwise known as Gay Pride events) is getting their mini-Stalin, mini-Mao, mini-Maduro freak on. By the way, speaking of leftism and leftists, Adolph Hitler was a homosexual and originally into art and painting. Animal rights too. . . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77789242 United States 12/19/2019 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're dealing with a cess pool of GMO Masons and bread bags from Iowa.... And who did Trump appoint for the ambassador to China...That's right another MASON former governor of Iowa... EMBARRASSING! The Grand Cross is the highest honor for a 33rd degree Mason. Brother Harshbarger joins Senator Charles Grassley as the only Iowa Masons to currently hold this honor. Ambassador To China Member Of The Freemasons Published on Dec 8, 2016 Iowa governor terry Branstad is likely to become the next US ambassador to china, but he’ll have to leave any masonic symbols at home. Branstad is listed as a member of a chapter of the freemason group in Des Moines. The Freemasons group has been banned in mainland china for decades. Masonic groups generally run into trouble in Communist countries due to their secret meetings. Branstad accepted President-elect Donald Trump's job offer Wednesday, but he'll have to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate before taking the post. Joni Ernst Loves Bread Bags....SOTU Response 2015 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75282507 United States 12/19/2019 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will be thrown out. Flag burning is free speech. Already ruled. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78125628 I suppose that you're OK with anyone coming onto your property and burning whatever flag you choose to display then... There is a difference between burning a flag that is the possession of another on another's property and burning a flag that one is in sole possession of on one's own private or public property. You can't seriously defend 15 f'ing years for that, can you? I've seen child molesters and the like get less time. It's pure f'ing stupidty! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78254036 United States 12/19/2019 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the hell is going on here! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68224088 1. How come protestors can burn the AMERICAN flag? 2. 15 years? Rapists get a few years and this guy got 15 years for burning a flag? WHAT THE HELL! If you buy your own flag, you can burn it on your own property or elsewhere with permission, subject to local burn laws. If you trespass and steal a flag from others, and burn it, you are guilty of criminal trespass and wanton destruction of others' property(vandalism). That much is easily understood by a normal elementary school student. No doubt, this thing was claimed to be a "hate crime" too. That's more dubious and could account for the excessive sentence. Regardless, the perpetrator had unclean hands. True, he should be in trouble for destroying someone else's property, but 15 years is pure bullshit. You can kill someone and get less time. |
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User ID: 78255812 United States 12/19/2019 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of these days someone with funds will pay for these peoples attorneys to fight the BS - injustice at it's worst. The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill Daily Updates Thread: ASS IS IN THE WRINGER - Rolling Updates from 11/16/20 to present (Page 316) |
LastAgeRN User ID: 77468753 United States 12/19/2019 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will be thrown out. Flag burning is free speech. Already ruled. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78125628 I suppose that you're OK with anyone coming onto your property and burning whatever flag you choose to display then... There is a difference between burning a flag that is the possession of another on another's property and burning a flag that one is in sole possession of on one's own private or public property. REALLY!!! Is that the best you got?!?! Of course we don't have the right to take a flag owned by someone else on their property and destroy it. That is NOT the point! 15 YEARS! That's the point! I can absolutely promise and guarantee you that if a member of the LGBTQ community tore down a flag with a cross on it that was sitting on a Baptist church and burnt it, he would NOT get 15 years. This same court would probably even protect him under "free speech". |
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User ID: 77271290 United States 12/19/2019 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Adolfo Martinez, 30, of Ames, was sentenced Wednesday to 15 years for the hate crime of arson..for burning an LGBTQ flag that was flying at a church in central Iowa. Quoting: DeploraVision ™ He's said he tore down the flag.. hanging from the United Church of Christ.. because he opposes homosexuality. [link to abcnews.go.com (secure)] So gays that burn the American flag aren't committing a hate crime? How fucking backwards has our society become? Not surprising. Ames just elected a 20 year old city counselor who's only platform is climate fascism. Write it off. Last Edited by Depluribus Unum on 12/19/2019 01:03 PM From many, covfefe |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74528399 United States 12/19/2019 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Adolfo Martinez, 30, of Ames, was sentenced Wednesday to 15 years for the hate crime of arson and given a year for reckless use of explosives or fire and 30 days for harassment. The sentences are to be served consecutively, Story County court records said. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78265955 There were no explosives. This was not a violent crime. He removed a flag at a church and burned it in protest. Had he lit the church on fire with people inside, the sentence would have been justified. Hell, the sentence would have been less! |