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WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

 
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His data about the virus was reliable. His political opinion has been proven wrong by time. Trump is not president anymore and there has not been any uprising. There has been no war with russia. The only part he has guessed right is that the PTB have won and the people have lost. But that was an easy guess for anyone. Op should go back to the virus data and tell us if he has anymore insight in this matter. That's what we are waiting for here.
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Thank you for your answer, I was curious, I didn't want to be polemical.

OP wrote:

"Come February 2022, the pandemic will be in full swing, FAR WORSE then anything before it. The Delta Ultra will cause massive death tolls among vaccinated people, but little to unvaccinated.


The unvaccinated will have an immune system that ALREADY RECOGNIZE Delta and Delta Plus, and will fight it off. It will be just another flu for unvaccinated. The Delta Ultra will be just a Delta Plus on steroids...but not for unvaccinated, because the mutation of Delta Ultra will not be different then Delta Plus, in terms of illness that it causes, but only in contagion power.


The vaccinated ones, on the other hand, are fucked. They can't fight off Delta Plus, because Delta Plus mutated to avoid their immune response, and they will spread the Delta Ultra much more faster then Delta Plus"


This is a virus prediction, what do you think about that?
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This is a prediction based on data. This is the kind of thing we ask to Op. To this day we know the delta variant can still attack the vaccinated. We do not know if the "vaccinated are fucked". In my opinion there is no other way out of this situation. No herd immunity is possible. As you recall OP always did say that there could be no herd immunity...that is until he changed his mind recently. I do believe the whole system is fucked and nothing will go back to the way it was before. Vaccination is the only way governments can try to keep control. That is if the vaccines work in the long run.
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To be fair, I believe DR said that there could not be heard immunity until at least 2-3 years out (which by the end of 2022 would be close to two years). He did say that we will never reach heard immunity with the vaccines like many politicians were espousing.
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Where did he say we could reach herd immunity?
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It's still too early for an update.But I will do one nontheless.



Everything is pointing to a disaster starting February 2022. Half of the cases last week in Israel were fully vaccinated people. UK cases are going back up, and the chance of dying from the virus is 3 times higher for vaccinated people vs non-vaccinated.


In my last update, on May 13th, I have warned that vaccination campaigns will prove a disaster. I think everyone have seen this video by now, if not, please do so :




Everyone should understood by now, how a virus works, and what happens in a pandemic.


We have gone through many, many pandemics, and no matter how worse it was, we got on the other end better equipped to deal with any former virus.


When a new virus starts a pandemic, things are bad at the start (because the immune system is not prepared to fight a novel virus), but in a number of years, the humanity gets natural immunity to that virus, and any resurgence of the virus will be insignificant.


I have told since last year that we will get immunity to the virus, at some point, because this is how it always was, and it always will be.



When a virus crosses from animals to humans, we start from a patient 0, the first human that gets the virus. A virus will ALWAYS mutate from person to person, in EACH person, a long the chain of infection. This is common knowledge.


The mutations are minimal, and it takes a lot of them to get to the point when a new strain or variant emerges, and in time, those new variants are more dangerous, at start, until they become less dangerous...not because the virus is stupid, but because our immune systems know more and more about the virus, with each passing day and each passing individual that gets infected.



If a pandemic, no matter how bad it is, is left alone, to evolve naturally, in a short number of years, the pandemic will devolve into oblivion, and the virus runs out of mutations, variants and strains able to cause a resurgence of the pandemic.



But hey, since this virus is a bio-weapon, intended to do as much harm as possible, and since we will get immunity to this virus, NO MATTER WHAT, bio-weapon or not, they (and you know who are they) have to make sure that this virus will cause the intended harm, and not be stopped by the natural immune system.


Enter the vaccines. Well, improperly called vaccines, because they are not.


What are they, is the way of making SURE that this pandemic will end when THEY will want it to end.



We have the Delta variant. It is already all over the world. They say it's more contagious AND more deadly. I am sure that it is, but wait until Delta Plus and Delta Ultra are coming. Now, the names are what I have come up with, they might call them Omega and Epsilon, who cares.



This is what I see and already told what will happen, because of vaccinations, but this time I will not say just "virus mutation", I will say "Delta", "Delta Plus" and "Delta Ultra", so you will better understand what is going to happen next.



Because of vaccination, which will FORCE the virus to UNNATURALLY mutate in the vaccinated people, the current Delta variant, which is spreading for over a month now, will mutate into Delta Plus, by the end of northern summer season.


Both Delta and Delta Plus will be dominant in September, when fall starts in the northern hemisphere. Delta variant will get weaker and weaker (both vaccinated and unvaccinated will be able to fight it, and recognize it upon infection), while Delta Plus will get stronger.


The unvaccinated will be able, before wave 4 ends (wave 4 starts in Sept-Oct 2021) to recognize and fight off both Delta and Delta Plus.


However, Delta Plus will be the variant that mutates to SPECIFICALLY avoid the immune system of the vaccinated ones, and will be the death sentence for most vaccinated people who will contract it.


By Dec.2021-January 2022, the Delta Plus will mutate again, into Delta Ultra, which will be extremely contagious, while retaining the deadliness of Delta Plus.


Come February 2022, the pandemic will be in full swing, FAR WORSE then anything before it. The Delta Ultra will cause massive death tolls among vaccinated people, but little to unvaccinated.


The unvaccinated will have an immune system that ALREADY RECOGNIZE Delta and Delta Plus, and will fight it off. It will be just another flu for unvaccinated. The Delta Ultra will be just a Delta Plus on steroids...but not for unvaccinated, because the mutation of Delta Ultra will not be different then Delta Plus, in terms of illness that it causes, but only in contagion power.


The vaccinated ones, on the other hand, are fucked. They can't fight off Delta Plus, because Delta Plus mutated to avoid their immune response, and they will spread the Delta Ultra much more faster then Delta Plus.



This is a very possible scenario, and I believe to be the one that will happen. Starting mass vaccination campaigns in the MIDDLE of a pandemic, caused by a NOVEL virus, is no longer a stupid act.


It is a CRIMINAL ACT.



And guess what will THEIR answer will be to wave 4?



You are right : LOCK-DOWNS. Because their goals are not only population reduction, but also destroying of any small and medium business, removal of any property rights, control, etc. etc., while blaming the unvaccinated for the pandemic.


Lock-downs WORK...BEFORE A PANDEMIC STARTS. After the pandemic is widespread, lock-downs are not just stupid, but will do more harm then good, especially during COLD SEASON.



Why did Mad-Max didn't happened yet?



Well, I believe that all of you remember what I have said since January 2020 : events that nobody knows, can postpone it or accelerating it.


In January 2020, nobody KNEW that vaccines will be rolled out so soon. Everyone, including me, thought that a vaccine, LOGICALLY, cannot be viable before at least 3 years of experimental phases.


Ofc mad-max did not happen...YET. Simply because THEY KNEW that the virus, if left alone, will start to subside, and IT DID : the pandemic slowed down since January 2020, to the point of MAY 2021, when the number of cases dropped like a rock, compared to March 2020.


They KNEW that this will happen, because it has ALWAYS HAPPENED in the past, with any pandemic.


But they had the "vaccine" at the ready. They prepared for the shrinking of the pandemic...but since that is NOT their goal, the pandemic not only must not end, but become worse.


So, they started to inject idiots, and the world is FULL OF IDIOTS. They know it, I know it, you know it. The scare of Delta variant is already causing a rise in vaccinations, after over 6 weeks of steady decline.


They need more of us vaccinated, so Delta Plus and Delta Ultra WILL CAUSE the conditions for another lock-down. And their plan is working. The disaster is looming, and make no mistake : IT WILL HAPPEN AS I SAY IT WILL HAPPEN.



And I am not the only one.



Pretty much everyone is seeing the writing on the wall.



So, I am telling you guys what I have told you on May 13th : DO NOT get vaccinated, stock up on Vit. D for 5-6 months of cold season (fall and winter), and become a casual smoker, at least.
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ummm, guys is this really DR??? Something ain't jiving
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Why? We all need as much info as possible, you realize that, "ummm" won't do.
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I think Op should go back to giving exact data and notpolitical opinions. None of the political predictions have come true. This in great contrast with the accuracy of the data given on the virus.
 Quoting: Italiano Deplorevole


If OP's political opinion has not come true, why do you think its opinion about the virus is reliable?

"I know that I know nothing" Socrates
 Quoting: Italian_AC

Hasn't it been reliable so far?

Almost right from the beginning, OP foresaw that if all international flights were not stopped before around 5th February 2020, there would be a pandemic... and so it happened.

Remember all the figures OP gave in his very first post? He studied all the available data in depth.
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Hi DR

What are your thoughts on the information provided in this video please in relation to your predictions regarding how the variants will affect the vaccinated population

Thanks in advance

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I think Op should go back to giving exact data and notpolitical opinions. None of the political predictions have come true. This in great contrast with the accuracy of the data given on the virus.
 Quoting: Italiano Deplorevole


If OP's political opinion has not come true, why do you think its opinion about the virus is reliable?

"I know that I know nothing" Socrates
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Hasn't it been reliable so far?

Almost right from the beginning, OP foresaw that if all international flights were not stopped before around 5th February 2020, there would be a pandemic... and so it happened.

Remember all the figures OP gave in his very first post? He studied all the available data in depth.
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Until he did base his predictions on data he was right.
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Thank you DR for presenting us with information and opinions.

About Brazil, one thing is very clear here, the closing of the economy, mainly bars (nightclubs) and agglomerations of entertainment, causes a huge and rapid impact on the numbers of hospitalizations and ICU (the only numbers I have followed). And this open and close cycle is the strategy that has been adopted here, alternately and in an uncoordinated way, on a scale of metropolitan regions and larger cities. The results are undeniable.

First-tier economists are very clear in stating that the economy is dead, even the federal government already assumes this.

I'm not following the numbers with the vaccine filter, I don't think we can even get those numbers here.

About Brazilian mutations, a very strange thing has been noticed, is that there is a huge amount of reports from families where only one family member is positive (here we do the test in the whole family). For example, the husband is positive and symptomatic (sometimes even hospitalized), but the wife and children are not positive (igg and igm negative). There is even a recent and famous case in the media.

How is it possible for people with intimate contact, and consistently sharing enclosed spaces, with frequent exchange of body fluids, and no contagion? In my view, with these variations being more infectious, this should not be the case. It is a phenomenon that needs to be monitored and understood in order to design a more predictable future scenario.
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Yes, this is really disturbing, I have seen several cases in which the husband or wife died and the partner did not even have symptoms. Right here at my house, we are 4, my 63-year-old brother had covid in June last year, he was almost hospitalized, 100 to 104º F of fever for 15 days, and the 3 others had no symptoms, this is very strange, I can't find a scientific explanation.
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It shows personal resistance is everything and can vary a lot.
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I think Op should go back to giving exact data and notpolitical opinions. None of the political predictions have come true. This in great contrast with the accuracy of the data given on the virus.
 Quoting: Italiano Deplorevole


If OP's political opinion has not come true, why do you think its opinion about the virus is reliable?

"I know that I know nothing" Socrates
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Hasn't it been reliable so far?

Almost right from the beginning, OP foresaw that if all international flights were not stopped before around 5th February 2020, there would be a pandemic... and so it happened.

Remember all the figures OP gave in his very first post? He studied all the available data in depth.
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Until he did base his predictions on data he was right.
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Are you actually trying to make sense?
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News from Italy

Every single day.on tv doctors, politics, actors, singers, midgets&dancers say how important it is to get vaccinated.
Some people would like to make the vaccine mandatory to avoid a new lockdown next fall.

This was broadcast yesterday:



Andrea Crisanti's (virologist) proposal: "Remove health coverage from the no vax who take the covid"
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Hi DR

What are your thoughts on the information provided in this video please in relation to your predictions regarding how the variants will affect the vaccinated population

Thanks in advance


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DR I hope you get the time to watch this and share your opinion.
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If OP's political opinion has not come true, why do you think its opinion about the virus is reliable?

"I know that I know nothing" Socrates
 Quoting: Italian_AC

Hasn't it been reliable so far?

Almost right from the beginning, OP foresaw that if all international flights were not stopped before around 5th February 2020, there would be a pandemic... and so it happened.

Remember all the figures OP gave in his very first post? He studied all the available data in depth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79493755


Until he did base his predictions on data he was right.
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Are you actually trying to make sense?
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So now to make sense you base predictions on political opinions?
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Hi DR

What are your thoughts on the information provided in this video please in relation to your predictions regarding how the variants will affect the vaccinated population

Thanks in advance


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DR I hope you get the time to watch this and share your opinion.
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Who is this man?
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Hi DR

What are your thoughts on the information provided in this video please in relation to your predictions regarding how the variants will affect the vaccinated population

Thanks in advance


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DR I hope you get the time to watch this and share your opinion.
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Who is this man?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Interview dubbed in Italian



Last Edited by Italian_AC on 07/11/2021 08:34 AM
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If it isn't one of my favorite analysts.

Thanks for the update.
I agree. The vaccines came a little sooner than anticipated.
But then again who would have thought that miracle of miracles would happen and 4-5 would pop out of the collective butts of major drug corps and be completely interchangeable?
Pretty sure they are all the same jab and were sitting in a fridge back i 2019.
Imho.
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Hi DR

What are your thoughts on the information provided in this video please in relation to your predictions regarding how the variants will affect the vaccinated population

Thanks in advance


 Quoting: UKguy 80589206




DR I hope you get the time to watch this and share your opinion.
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Who is this man?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80547757



[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Interview dubbed in Italian


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This is not a person that should be taken in consideration at all.
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Why - because he speaks the truth ?
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……

Peace not War.
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Why - because he speaks the truth ?
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DR I hope you get the time to watch this and share your opinion.
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Who is this man?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80547757



[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Interview dubbed in Italian


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This is not a person that should be taken in consideration at all.
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I wouldn’t worry about there advice Para, they got there information from a Wikipedia link dowager
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Today England vs Italy, Euro 2020 final.
The winner is... the virus
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Today England vs Italy, Euro 2020 final.
The winner is... the virus
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So true
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Mia, ofc it is me.


What makes you believe it is not me?
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perfect english is why I question.

Now that I read back over I do see your writing style.
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It is a testament to DR and his amazing work that this thread is still getting views and posts after all this time. I just wish DR would post a little more often these days. Strange things are happening.
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If OP's political opinion has not come true, why do you think its opinion about the virus is reliable?

"I know that I know nothing" Socrates
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His data about the virus was reliable. His political opinion has been proven wrong by time. Trump is not president anymore and there has not been any uprising. There has been no war with russia. The only part he has guessed right is that the PTB have won and the people have lost. But that was an easy guess for anyone. Op should go back to the virus data and tell us if he has anymore insight in this matter. That's what we are waiting for here.
 Quoting: Italiano Deplorevole


Thank you for your answer, I was curious, I didn't want to be polemical.

OP wrote:

"Come February 2022, the pandemic will be in full swing, FAR WORSE then anything before it. The Delta Ultra will cause massive death tolls among vaccinated people, but little to unvaccinated.


The unvaccinated will have an immune system that ALREADY RECOGNIZE Delta and Delta Plus, and will fight it off. It will be just another flu for unvaccinated. The Delta Ultra will be just a Delta Plus on steroids...but not for unvaccinated, because the mutation of Delta Ultra will not be different then Delta Plus, in terms of illness that it causes, but only in contagion power.


The vaccinated ones, on the other hand, are fucked. They can't fight off Delta Plus, because Delta Plus mutated to avoid their immune response, and they will spread the Delta Ultra much more faster then Delta Plus"


This is a virus prediction, what do you think about that?
 Quoting: Italian_AC


This is a prediction based on data. This is the kind of thing we ask to Op. To this day we know the delta variant can still attack the vaccinated. We do not know if the "vaccinated are fucked". In my opinion there is no other way out of this situation. No herd immunity is possible. As you recall OP always did say that there could be no herd immunity...that is until he changed his mind recently. I do believe the whole system is fucked and nothing will go back to the way it was before. Vaccination is the only way governments can try to keep control. That is if the vaccines work in the long run.
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This is where you are wrong, because you did not remember what I have said over 1 year ago, when the pandemic was basically in it's infancy.


I have said that human immune system will always find a way to become resistant to any almost any virus or bacteria. When I have talked about a bio-weapon, I have said that immunity might not be possible, and if it is, would last longer with the severity of the disease.


Herd immunity for a coronavirus is absolutely possible, even if it's a bio-weapon.



I haven't changed my mind on herd immunity. It is very real, but it will need TIME, and if you remember, I have said that we will get it, but not before 3 or 4 waves , based on seasons, not outbreaks or mutations. Basically, after spring of 2022 (in the north) is over, we should have reached a solid herd immunity.


This is what I have said, and stand by it.
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Hi DR

What are your thoughts on the information provided in this video please in relation to your predictions regarding how the variants will affect the vaccinated population

Thanks in advance


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Seen this video couple days ago.


I believe that in some patients, it is possible to have such reactions in the blood vessels.


This isn't new, the vaccine and the virus, BOTH can affect the blood vessels, but not in many patients, at least for now.


The scenario presented is terrifying, but it is still too early to say, especially since plenty of people were injected with saline, and plenty others were just stung with the needle, without actually getting any substance in them.
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Many of you asked for me to present more data.


Nobody is able to make a projection today, on how the pandemic will fare in the future.


There are too many variables, from mutations, to seasonality, to partial resistance/immunity gained going through the disease (so, naturally gained res/immunity), to short-medium term resistance from vaccines (yes, it does exists), to, and this is most importantly, the vaccines.


We have no idea what the vaccines will cause, number wise.



I can only tell you what I have "digested" watching top immunologists saying that this vaccination have the massive potential of turning into a real badass pandemic, due to mutations that appear inside vaccinated persons, and going into the general population.



So, I can't (at least for now) say what will happen in the near future (6-8 months from now), in numbers.


But when I see the data coming from top vaccinated countries (UK , Israel, Seychelles), and it's SUMMER TIME...all I can say is that next wave will be the biggest to date, far bigger then the rest up until now.



Number wise...probably 5-6 times more cases then spring of 2021, and 3-4 times more deaths.
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Thanks DR for the update, I keep an eye on this.
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OP: You're theory has merit but I think it is missing a little bit of 'sanity check'.

It's true that vaccination in a pandemic can trigger immune escape/vaccine escape. It's also true that natural mutations tend to be more mild and random variation with a virus that spreads faster but is less lethal, where immune escape from a vaccination may potentially breed a more dangerous virus.

However there are a few notable things that you miss:

First, while the media hysterically reports about breakthrough cases of Delta virus in Israel, UK and even here in USA; the actual numbers show a different picture. Cases are rising but deaths and serious adverse events are NOT rising; or at least not rising proportionally. STRONG divergence with deaths at least 1 order of magnitude or greater (at least a factor of 12) less then cases from the equivalent time on the curve.

I think all of the fear about delta variant and blaming the unvaccinated just demonstrates a poor understanding about how immune escape really works and media hysteria; plus they are using this ignorance to push even more vaccination.

It's also known that what is causing the more serious immune escape is the PARTIALLY vaccinated (those with one instead of two vaccines) and also Simovac has been proven to be a progeneter of immune escape.

I predict that

The virus is NOT mutating and circulating enough in the double-mRNA vaccinated. I'm not sure about the single adenovirus doses; but appears they are strong enough that also not serious risk for immune escape.

I have my own theory specially about Delta variant as well. Because India seemed to have some kind of natural or genetic immunity to Covid-19; I believe the protection was partial and allowed for kind of a hybrid type of immune escape; replicating more but also with a slight increase in death rate. More like the pattern of the unvaccinated but with an edge as if there was some vaccination. This is likely an entirely natural phenomena.

It is also true that the vaccinated have shown a 2-3 time greater lethality if they do get infected; however we have not controlled for pre-existing condition and the reason that this cohort had failed to be protected in the first place. Most of them have some kind of immune deficiency like leukemia. Even if there is a 2-3 time increase, which maybe like a type of antibody dependent enhancement; it is *very limited* to a very small number of people. It is unlikely that this will change due to the anatomy of how Coronaviruses function.

Just my 2 cents. We will see.
The idea that there will be a super lethal killer delta super plus plus virus that will affect the vaccinated is technically unlikely to occur.

I predict that cases continue to rise, but deaths fall or only rise slightly. In a month or two it will become obvious to most that the increase in cases are not as dangerous as they are making it out to be. They will probably continue to hype this, out of inertia, drive for more vaccinations, money influences for ongoing bosters, and so on; but at some point hte data will reveal itself.

It is already apparent in Israel and UK. Most people read the headlines; but when you double from 1-2 deaths/day that is a 100% increase but you must look at the absolute scale and curve; not look at doubling when cases are already so low.
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I expect a muted wave 3/4 in the fall. (I count it as Wave 1, Wave 2a, wave 2b and wave 3 coming this fall). More then we are seeing in the summer and affecting mostly the unvaccinated (who have relaxed) as well as partially affecting the vaccinatd with mild cases, breakthrough infections but only a MILD increase in lethality.

I expect this to be the last serious wave, followed by continual smaller rolling waves into a then very mild endemic virus that is just like influenza, even more mild since influenzas have more pandemic potential then coronaviruses by nature.

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I expect a muted wave 3/4 in the fall. (I count it as Wave 1, Wave 2a, wave 2b and wave 3 coming this fall). More then we are seeing in the summer and affecting mostly the unvaccinated (who have relaxed) as well as partially affecting the vaccinatd with mild cases, breakthrough infections but only a MILD increase in lethality.

I expect this to be the last serious wave, followed by continual smaller rolling waves into a then very mild endemic virus that is just like influenza, even more mild since influenzas have more pandemic potential then coronaviruses by nature.
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I think that if there are many cases with few deaths, the reason is the summer. The same thing, but less reported by the media, happened last summer





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