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Tesla remotely disables Autopilot on used Model S after it was sold Tesla says the owner can’t use features it says ‘they did not pay for

 
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Morons keep buying these death machines and the media keeps pushing them to control every aspect of your life.
There’s no centralized control on a ‘93 Ford Escort.
That’s why the “cash for clunkers” program happened.
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no they did that because older cars can survive a emp while new ones can't
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FFS these options are SUBSCRIPTION based SERVICES, if you dont pay them YOU DONT get them, you pay them YOU get THEM. What is so damn hard to understand here?
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It is not a subscription, it is an option bought before or after sale, the latter being more expensive, another certified Tesla scam.
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The HARDWARE for autopilot is included with the purchase and is transferable from one person to another.

The SOFTWARE is subscription based and is not transferable from one person to another.

Using Brief's example: Just because someone buys a used card with a satellite capable radio installed in it doesn't mean the subscription based service is included.
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A car company that keeps insulting the great inventor Nikola Tesla with their CRAP cars wtf
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A car company that keeps insulting the great inventor Nikola Tesla with their CRAP cars wtf
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How that grifting con man was issued a trademark on someone elses name is disturbing to say the least
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Tesla says they own the software and the original purchaser is the registered user...if you want to begin your own contract, they will do so...for a fee of about $8,000
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So the contract must specify that it is non transferable
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bottom line is you cant sell a car saying it has it then take it off. Customer gets it for free because at no time was he told otherwise before he bought the car. Musk is greedy scamming asshole with vulture capitalist leanings
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FFS these options are SUBSCRIPTION based SERVICES, if you dont pay them YOU DONT get them, you pay them YOU get THEM. What is so damn hard to understand here?
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It is not a subscription, it is an option bought before or after sale, the latter being more expensive, another certified Tesla scam.
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The HARDWARE for autopilot is included with the purchase and is transferable from one person to another.

The SOFTWARE is subscription based and is not transferable from one person to another.

Using Brief's example: Just because someone buys a used card with a satellite capable radio installed in it doesn't mean the subscription based service is included.
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The hardware is built into the car.
If the software was on the car when it was bought and it functioned when it was bought, turning it off is fraud.
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A car company that keeps insulting the great inventor Nikola Tesla with their CRAP cars wtf
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How that grifting con man was issued a trademark on someone elses name is disturbing to say the least
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Imagine how well his remote control incendiary devices would have sold under the trademark MUSK.
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Why the fuck would anyone buy a tesla?
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Electric cars are faster off the line than gas...
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tard
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Why the fuck would anyone buy a tesla?
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Electric cars are faster off the line than gas...
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tard
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tesla has enough legal issues with maiming/killing/burning the original owners of their electrical vehicles... think they want their death machines to be held responsible to the used car market as well?
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Here's the rules...why would anyone buy something without understanding it, and then bitch about their assumptions when they are wrong?? One reason I retired, people are illogical!!



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Your post is the height of irony. You obviously didn’t even read what you linked because there’s absolutely nothing in there related to the OP you linked the premium connectivity policies which is a completely different thing
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Weird. I wonder if he could just pay them.
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He did pay them. The dealer bought it as is with those features installed.
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Since it's navigated by satellite, it stands to reason it would be a subscription type application. When you sell your house, the cable tv and internet don't come with it...
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When you buy a used Tivo that was purchased with a Life time membership and then sell it, the service continues for the new owner.

They need to stipulate if the software features are bound to the car or the first time buyer.

If it is just bound to the first time buyer then the cars resale price should take a bad hit.
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Weird. I wonder if he could just pay them.
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He did pay them. The dealer bought it as is with those features installed.
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Since it's navigated by satellite, it stands to reason it would be a subscription type application. When you sell your house, the cable tv and internet don't come with it...
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When you buy a used Tivo that was purchased with a Life time membership and then sell it, the service continues for the new owner.

They need to stipulate if the software features are bound to the car or the first time buyer.

If it is just bound to the first time buyer then the cars resale price should take a bad hit.
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BTW, using a GPS satellite has no user cost.

My quad copters bind to the signal of seven of them every time I turn it on.
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A lot of scared apologist Tesla stock owners posting here.
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I bought a new car with free satellite radio for a year...it was cool but I never renewed it...should I ever resell it, I doubt the buyer will bitch about not getting free sirius xm channels...
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will they be getting the wear like iron jort seats covers?
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I bought a new car with free satellite radio for a year...it was cool but I never renewed it...should I ever resell it, I doubt the buyer will bitch about not getting free sirius xm channels...
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will they be getting the wear like iron jort seats covers?
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Speak English frog...
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A lot of scared apologist Tesla stock owners posting here.
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People shouldn't buy them until the software issue is figured out.

The resale value will suck if it doesn't go with the car.

It would be like selling a computer or phone but the operating system is wiped.
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A car company that keeps insulting the great inventor Nikola Tesla with their CRAP cars wtf
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^FKN THIS^

These laughable "Tesla" cars are at mid 19 century tech level, as well as the internal combustion engines for that matter. We are groomed like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit.

Tesla abandoned the DC and also the AC waveform some ~130 years ago, and worked with entirely new level of physics. This is what J.P Morgan was freaked out about. We could live in a paradise right now, but that was not an option for the deep state. The quotes below allow you to look up the original articles and read the paper from 1892.

From article 1:
Though discovered by Tesla in 1889, the preliminary observation of this effect was published after an intensive battery of investigations. The ”Dissipation of Electricity”, published just prior to Christmas of 1892, is the pivotal Tesla lecture.
This is the departure point in which Tesla abandons research and development of high frequency alternating current. Divorcing himself from that field entirely, Tesla describes the shockwaves and other effects of IMPULSES. In addition to those physical sensations which he describes in characteristic understatements, Tesla also enlarges upon the ”gaseous” aspects associated with the phenomena.


From article 2:
The transformer that Tesla referred to in the 1892 paper did not operate on magnetic/electric field induction created by alternating currents. It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether. Tesla was now operating under entirely new rules which he referred to as “dynamic” electro-static forces and had, by now, completely abandoned any further interest in the AC waveform.

The actual title of the text penned by Tesla was
On The Dissipation Of The Electrical Energy Of The Hertz Resonator
By Nikola Tesla
The Electrical Engineer — December 21, 1892

[link to www.theteslasociety.com]
[link to www.theteslasociety.com]
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We may just see the birth of an open source project that replaces the functionality that Tesla provides.
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A car company that keeps insulting the great inventor Nikola Tesla with their CRAP cars wtf
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^FKN THIS^

These laughable "Tesla" cars are at mid 19 century tech level, as well as the internal combustion engines for that matter. We are groomed like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit.

Tesla abandoned the DC and also the AC waveform some ~130 years ago, and worked with entirely new level of physics. This is what J.P Morgan was freaked out about. We could live in a paradise right now, but that was not an option for the deep state. The quotes below allow you to look up the original articles and read the paper from 1892.

From article 1:
Though discovered by Tesla in 1889, the preliminary observation of this effect was published after an intensive battery of investigations. The ”Dissipation of Electricity”, published just prior to Christmas of 1892, is the pivotal Tesla lecture.
This is the departure point in which Tesla abandons research and development of high frequency alternating current. Divorcing himself from that field entirely, Tesla describes the shockwaves and other effects of IMPULSES. In addition to those physical sensations which he describes in characteristic understatements, Tesla also enlarges upon the ”gaseous” aspects associated with the phenomena.


From article 2:
The transformer that Tesla referred to in the 1892 paper did not operate on magnetic/electric field induction created by alternating currents. It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether. Tesla was now operating under entirely new rules which he referred to as “dynamic” electro-static forces and had, by now, completely abandoned any further interest in the AC waveform.

The actual title of the text penned by Tesla was
On The Dissipation Of The Electrical Energy Of The Hertz Resonator
By Nikola Tesla
The Electrical Engineer — December 21, 1892

[link to www.theteslasociety.com]
[link to www.theteslasociety.com]
 Quoting: Halfing


In his last years Tesla began to lose his mind...probably from years of subjecting himself to high levels of electromagnetic radiation...

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I hope news of this nasty, greedy and possibly illegal stunt contributes to the further crash of Tesla’s stock.
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Morons keep buying these death machines and the media keeps pushing them to control every aspect of your life.
There’s no centralized control on a ‘93 Ford Escort.
That’s why the “cash for clunkers” program happened.
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I think that is because the Escort takes itself out on its own otherwise...
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A car company that keeps insulting the great inventor Nikola Tesla with their CRAP cars wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75189721


^FKN THIS^

These laughable "Tesla" cars are at mid 19 century tech level, as well as the internal combustion engines for that matter. We are groomed like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit.

Tesla abandoned the DC and also the AC waveform some ~130 years ago, and worked with entirely new level of physics. This is what J.P Morgan was freaked out about. We could live in a paradise right now, but that was not an option for the deep state. The quotes below allow you to look up the original articles and read the paper from 1892.

From article 1:
Though discovered by Tesla in 1889, the preliminary observation of this effect was published after an intensive battery of investigations. The ”Dissipation of Electricity”, published just prior to Christmas of 1892, is the pivotal Tesla lecture.
This is the departure point in which Tesla abandons research and development of high frequency alternating current. Divorcing himself from that field entirely, Tesla describes the shockwaves and other effects of IMPULSES. In addition to those physical sensations which he describes in characteristic understatements, Tesla also enlarges upon the ”gaseous” aspects associated with the phenomena.


From article 2:
The transformer that Tesla referred to in the 1892 paper did not operate on magnetic/electric field induction created by alternating currents. It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether. Tesla was now operating under entirely new rules which he referred to as “dynamic” electro-static forces and had, by now, completely abandoned any further interest in the AC waveform.

The actual title of the text penned by Tesla was
On The Dissipation Of The Electrical Energy Of The Hertz Resonator
By Nikola Tesla
The Electrical Engineer — December 21, 1892

[link to www.theteslasociety.com]
[link to www.theteslasociety.com]
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In his last years Tesla began to lose his mind...probably from years of subjecting himself to high levels of electromagnetic radiation...
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You know your shit!
Traumatic brain injury.
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I don't care about the arguments. let the courts fight it out.

bottom line is : don't buy a tesla. what you drive away with may not be what you get to keep.

avoid shitty deals that can be altered by remote.

just a logical idea.
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Tesla remotely disables Autopilot on used Model S after it was sold
Tesla says the owner can’t use features it says ‘they did not pay for’

Tesla has remotely disabled driver assistance features on a used Model S after it was sold to a customer, Jalopnik reports. The company now claims that the owner of the car, who purchased it from a third-party dealer — a dealer who bought it at an auction held by Tesla itself — “did not pay” for the features and therefore is not eligible to use them.

The features were enabled when the dealer bought the car, and they were advertised as part of the package when the car was sold to its owner. It’s a peculiar situation that raises hard questions about the nature of over-the-air software updates as they relate to vehicles.

Cars sold with hardware-based upgrades, such as four-wheel drive versus all-wheel drive, or advanced adaptive cruise control, do not lose those features when they are resold on the used car market. But because Tesla can update its vehicles remotely, the Model S and other Tesla vehicles can apparently lose key features. Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The owner in question, who Jalopnik refers to as Alec, purchased the car last December. The dealer bought the car a month earlier from a Tesla auction, with both “Enhanced Autopilot” and “Full Self Driving Mode” features intact, according to Jalopnik, which reviewed documents related to the car’s ownership and sale.

The dealer then listed the Model S, advertising both features. However, unbeknownst to the dealer, Tesla had independently conducted a software “audit” of the car after selling it, and disabled those features in a December update. The end result: when Alec picked up the car on December 20th, he did not have access to all its advertised features.

After contacting Tesla customer support, Alec was given the bad news:

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shit, I got my wife a tesla from carmax with 5000 miles on it. Auto pilot still running
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Weird. I wonder if he could just pay them.
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He did pay them. The dealer bought it as is with those features installed.
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This just comes to show and prove that Tesla will not be the only "modern" vehicle manufacturer who will do this utter nonsense. This is outrageous BS now. Just wait till the masses are so well trained by the Illuminati via their various high tech vehicle manufacturers such as Tesla that most people will actually fight to the death to be treated so poorly by these high tech companies.
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Tesla remotely disables Autopilot on used Model S after it was sold
Tesla says the owner can’t use features it says ‘they did not pay for’

Tesla has remotely disabled driver assistance features on a used Model S after it was sold to a customer, Jalopnik reports. The company now claims that the owner of the car, who purchased it from a third-party dealer — a dealer who bought it at an auction held by Tesla itself — “did not pay” for the features and therefore is not eligible to use them.

The features were enabled when the dealer bought the car, and they were advertised as part of the package when the car was sold to its owner. It’s a peculiar situation that raises hard questions about the nature of over-the-air software updates as they relate to vehicles.

Cars sold with hardware-based upgrades, such as four-wheel drive versus all-wheel drive, or advanced adaptive cruise control, do not lose those features when they are resold on the used car market. But because Tesla can update its vehicles remotely, the Model S and other Tesla vehicles can apparently lose key features. Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The owner in question, who Jalopnik refers to as Alec, purchased the car last December. The dealer bought the car a month earlier from a Tesla auction, with both “Enhanced Autopilot” and “Full Self Driving Mode” features intact, according to Jalopnik, which reviewed documents related to the car’s ownership and sale.

The dealer then listed the Model S, advertising both features. However, unbeknownst to the dealer, Tesla had independently conducted a software “audit” of the car after selling it, and disabled those features in a December update. The end result: when Alec picked up the car on December 20th, he did not have access to all its advertised features.

After contacting Tesla customer support, Alec was given the bad news:

[link to www-theverge-com.cdn.ampproject.org (secure)]


Shop accordingly...
 Quoting: DeplorableOldMan


shit, I got my wife a tesla from carmax with 5000 miles on it. Auto pilot still running
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That's too bad, AC. Tesla will remotely disable your wife's Tesla's auto-pilot feature when she is in heavy traffic. Heavy traffic that will have one or more crazed drivers suffering from road road. She will not know auto-pilot has been remotely disengaged till it is much too late. Have fun with this bit of knowledge, AC!
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Does Elon wake up each morning plotting how to get him and his company more well deserved bad publicity?
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I don't care about the arguments. let the courts fight it out.

bottom line is : don't buy a tesla. what you drive away with may not be what you get to keep.

avoid shitty deals that can be altered by remote.

just a logical idea.
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Do you not realize, AC, that Tesla is setting an incredibly dangerous precedent? How would you like to buy a new vehicle with auto-piloting features engaged? Especially since the corporate AIs will forcibly do auto-piloting on us all. How would you like for auto-pilot to be remotely disengaged while you're out riding around in heavy traffic? You do not know auto-pilot has been disengaged and get into a deadly wreck that winds up killing you at least. That is your, mine, and everyone else's eventual future for the most part if Tesla gets away with their BS.
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Weird. I wonder if he could just pay them.
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He did pay them. The dealer bought it as is with those features installed.
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Since it's navigated by satellite, it stands to reason it would be a subscription type application. When you sell your house, the cable tv and internet don't come with it...
 Quoting: BRIEF


if it really is navigated by gps that is a horryfing situation bound to cause a crash. there IS NO WAY it is navigated by GPS as gps maps can be incredibly wrong and drive you right off the road into water thinking there is a road there.


brief you are retarded...all self driving cars use visual sensors with AI tech for live feedback driving NOT A GPS SYSTEM YOU BIG FAT OL RETARD RACIST SOB





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