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Some good discussion and warnings as well.
Why do you want to learn offensive? There is a great trap in doing this.
Instead, I recommend learning all you can about defensive measures, the layering of 'shields' that have different purposes. Say, a one way mirror that reflects negativity, surrounded by a 'sludge'/'mud'/'slowing field', however you can visualize it. Many layers can take care of threats that a single hardened shield may not.

If you must learn of more aggressive things, consider instead of seeking to directly assault your "enemy", that you can place a metaphorical guard dog within a system, complete with a "Beware Guard Dog" feel, then leave an entry point or two open.

Another way to think of it, consider the medieval killing field in castles.

"A killing field was an area between the main wall and a secondary wall, so when the first wall was breached the attackers would run into the killing field to be confronted by another wall from which soldiers bombarded them. Soldiers would be positioned atop the second wall and armed with any variety of weapons, ranging from bows to crossbows to simple rocks."

Anyway, just some thoughts.
Never stop learning, be careful and keep quiet about your specific stuff. Unless you're baiting some twats of course. :)

Edit: I assume you know that you need to master your emotions and strive for pinpoint accurate intent. If not, begin aiming for that. Lack of emotional control or a drifting mind will cause at minimum failed efforts, at worst hyperbad.
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A miracle is a supernatural action with help from Above. Magic is a supernatural action with help from Below. If you need big help, just ask Almighty God in the name of Yeshuah Messiah. Ask and you shall receive. Knock and the door shall be opened. Just ask wisely.

Otherwise, messing around with magick has a huge price: your soul. Those who practice magick have no share in the Heaven to come on the other side.
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So what are your thoughts on Solomon?
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The royal lineal descent of Judah was taken from Solomon by God. Messiah would descend from Solomon's brother, Nathan. In his twilight years, wise Solomon concluded that all is vanity except to follow God's laws.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


So he erred in binding demons and using them to build his Temple? The foundation of what was built was inherently flawed? Goetia is of course the foundation for many modern schools of magick.
Not looking for an argument, remain objective if you can.
Coz reasons, probably.
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A miracle is a supernatural action with help from Above. Magic is a supernatural action with help from Below. If you need big help, just ask Almighty God in the name of Yeshuah Messiah. Ask and you shall receive. Knock and the door shall be opened. Just ask wisely.

Otherwise, messing around with magick has a huge price: your soul. Those who practice magick have no share in the Heaven to come on the other side.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


So what are your thoughts on Solomon?
 Quoting: Ty_


The royal lineal descent of Judah was taken from Solomon by God. Messiah would descend from Solomon's brother, Nathan. In his twilight years, wise Solomon concluded that all is vanity except to follow God's laws.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


So he erred in binding demons and using them to build his Temple? The foundation of what was built was inherently flawed? Goetia is of course the foundation for many modern schools of magick.
Not looking for an argument, remain objective if you can.
 Quoting: Ty_


Solomon wanted to be godlike and got too big for his britches. Eventually he himself realized this, but a lot of damage had been done by then and he lost a lot.

"Remain objective if you can," you say. Why do you think I'm not? Are you able to remain objective? Or have you already decided you're wiser than Solomon?
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hit and run thread

OP is gonezolos.
hello?
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....k,eh its light with clay around it and dont play with it ,that can cause memory loss on all fronts and image?
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make sure you include some dual lands
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it was a card game in the late 90's...theres lots of websites with info..

good luck..
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And stay off of our kaput house brick,njaghh
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sims was popular around the same time...but magick was a pretty cool game i heard
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So what are your thoughts on Solomon?
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The royal lineal descent of Judah was taken from Solomon by God. Messiah would descend from Solomon's brother, Nathan. In his twilight years, wise Solomon concluded that all is vanity except to follow God's laws.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


So he erred in binding demons and using them to build his Temple? The foundation of what was built was inherently flawed? Goetia is of course the foundation for many modern schools of magick.
Not looking for an argument, remain objective if you can.
 Quoting: Ty_


Solomon wanted to be godlike and got too big for his britches. Eventually he himself realized this, but a lot of damage had been done by then and he lost a lot.

"Remain objective if you can," you say. Why do you think I'm not? Are you able to remain objective? Or have you already decided you're wiser than Solomon?
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems. It wasn't intended as offensive or an attack, yet, there you go getting narky.

Wanted to be godlike? I wasn't aware of that, can you fill me in or let me know that's mentioned?
Shit certainly did go south a bit for him though lol.

Yeah, I can remain objective.
Coz reasons, probably.
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There is time for taking punches and a time to punch... I did the defensive part and now seeing the wizards and warlocks for the offensive part. Who has links on how to get started?

I am a noob!
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Sciences such as alchemy, magic, astrology and the Cabbala can help us progress more rapidly along the path of evolution because they fathom the great mysteries of creation. These sciences are difficult to get to grips with and if we are to understand them properly it is best to begin by studying them in relation to humankind and our daily activities. We then discover alchemy in eating, astrology in our breathing, magic in our words and gestures, and the Cabbala in our thoughts. Do not detach esoteric science from life. Learn how to eat, breathe, act, speak and think. Only then will you begin to master the foundations of these four fundamental sciences.

"If we relate the four sciences of alchemy, astrology, magic and the Cabbalah to the physical, psychic and spiritual worlds, alchemy can be said to correspond to the physical world, astrology and magic to the psychic world, and the Cabbalah to the spiritual world. We can also relate these four sciences to our own organism.

The Cabbalah, which studies the world of principles, corresponds to the brain.

Astrology studies the currents of energy which circulate throughout the universe, just as blood and air circulate throughout our organism, and is therefore related to the region of the heart and lungs. And magic, which studies ways of working with these currents, relates to the hands. In effect, the psychic world consists of two regions, and these represent what initiatic Science calls the soul, which is a pathway for the energy passing between the spirit and the body.

And finally, alchemy, which is the study of the transformation of matter, corresponds to the stomach, an organ in which materials are accumulated and then elaborated. "

Thread: How to Approach the Study of the Cabbalah

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The royal lineal descent of Judah was taken from Solomon by God. Messiah would descend from Solomon's brother, Nathan. In his twilight years, wise Solomon concluded that all is vanity except to follow God's laws.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


So he erred in binding demons and using them to build his Temple? The foundation of what was built was inherently flawed? Goetia is of course the foundation for many modern schools of magick.
Not looking for an argument, remain objective if you can.
 Quoting: Ty_


Solomon wanted to be godlike and got too big for his britches. Eventually he himself realized this, but a lot of damage had been done by then and he lost a lot.

"Remain objective if you can," you say. Why do you think I'm not? Are you able to remain objective? Or have you already decided you're wiser than Solomon?
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems. It wasn't intended as offensive or an attack, yet, there you go getting narky.

Wanted to be godlike? I wasn't aware of that, can you fill me in or let me know that's mentioned?
Shit certainly did go south a bit for him though lol.

Yeah, I can remain objective.
 Quoting: Ty_


Your reply begins with an admission of prejudicial bias which undercuts your hollow assurance of objectivity.

And you seem clueless about Solomonology 101. Have you read the primary texts, including Solomon's own writings? Even Wikipedia spells it out:


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He is portrayed as great in wisdom, wealth and power beyond either of the previous kings of the country, but also as a king who sinned. His sins included idolatry, marrying foreign women and, ultimately, turning away from Yahvveh, and that led to the kingdom's being torn in two during the reign of his son Rehoboam.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


Naamah was one of the 700 wives and concubines of King Solomon and mother of his heir, Rehoboam, according to both 1 Kings 14:21–31, and 2 Chronicles 12:13 in the He6revv Bible. She was an Ammonite, and, as such, one of only two of all the Queen Mothers of |$r@e1 or Judah who was a foreigner (the other being Jezebel).

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

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godlike = ~~I did it myyyyy waaayyyy~~ (Sinatra)

Solomon is the "wisest man who ever lived" not because he once was a powerful magickian, but because he repented of such vain pursuits and recommitted himself to Almighty God later in life.
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There is time for taking punches and a time to punch... I did the defensive part and now seeing the wizards and warlocks for the offensive part. Who has links on how to get started?

I am a noob!
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My book is out next week. That will help.
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Before you go one step further you must first learn protection magick. To do it any other way is just plain stupid but worse VERY dangerous to yourself, and others around you.

You must read and study. Do your shadow work!! Learn about yourself, before you journey into this realm.

Understand why you are drawn to magick. Are you just a noob who likes Harry Potter, and a bunch of video games that show spell work on them? Or are you a lover of nature and the elements? Do you have the gift of having your dreams come true? Do you think something is going to happen, and then it does?

Are you looking to learn the craft because you want revenge on someone, and you THINK this is the way to get that revenge????

What areas of magick are you looking at? White light, Dark Blood Magick? Green Witch magick or Gray magic. Chaos magick or Goetia or Demon Magic? Golden Dawn or John Dee or Crowley?

Low Magick or High??

You see ... there are as many different types of magick paths as there are people who practice in this world. AND, there are millions upon millions who practice the craft.

Now, back to protection magick. Without this knowledge you will soon find a demon attached to you!! Believe it! When you start to cast a working you shine brighter, and you draw in all sorts of "creatures". Some good, but mostly bad or down right evil.

You must protect yourself before and after ... Always.


STUDY, READ, RESEARCH, rinse and repeat ... over and over.

There is a saying in many branches of the craft "A year and a day" ... meaning you must study and learn for a year and one day BEFORE ever doing your first spell.


I am an old crone, and the most important thing in my life is protection. One thing you NEVER want to do is piss of a person who has a lot more "power" than you will ever have in the beginning!! They have SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many ways to make you suffer ... Believe that also.

So Noob ... look on google under Witchcraft or the Occult.
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So he erred in binding demons and using them to build his Temple? The foundation of what was built was inherently flawed? Goetia is of course the foundation for many modern schools of magick.
Not looking for an argument, remain objective if you can.
 Quoting: Ty_


Solomon wanted to be godlike and got too big for his britches. Eventually he himself realized this, but a lot of damage had been done by then and he lost a lot.

"Remain objective if you can," you say. Why do you think I'm not? Are you able to remain objective? Or have you already decided you're wiser than Solomon?
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems. It wasn't intended as offensive or an attack, yet, there you go getting narky.

Wanted to be godlike? I wasn't aware of that, can you fill me in or let me know that's mentioned?
Shit certainly did go south a bit for him though lol.

Yeah, I can remain objective.
 Quoting: Ty_


Your reply begins with an admission of prejudicial bias which undercuts your hollow assurance of objectivity.

And you seem clueless about Solomonology 101. Have you read the primary texts, including Solomon's own writings? Even Wikipedia spells it out:


-----

He is portrayed as great in wisdom, wealth and power beyond either of the previous kings of the country, but also as a king who sinned. His sins included idolatry, marrying foreign women and, ultimately, turning away from Yahvveh, and that led to the kingdom's being torn in two during the reign of his son Rehoboam.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


Naamah was one of the 700 wives and concubines of King Solomon and mother of his heir, Rehoboam, according to both 1 Kings 14:21–31, and 2 Chronicles 12:13 in the He6revv Bible. She was an Ammonite, and, as such, one of only two of all the Queen Mothers of |$r@e1 or Judah who was a foreigner (the other being Jezebel).

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

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godlike = ~~I did it myyyyy waaayyyy~~ (Sinatra)

Solomon is the "wisest man who ever lived" not because he once was a powerful magickian, but because he repented of such vain pursuits and recommitted himself to Almighty God later in life.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


Observation of fact is never bias nor prejudicial.
If I state that the colour of something is darker than another colour, is that prejudicial bias as well?

Nothing you linked states he wanted to be godlike, additionally the words linked specifically state he is portrayed, which is indicative of a biography and interpretation.

In red: Doing something your own way is now considered Godlike?

Dude, level up. You've typed words but said little.
Coz reasons, probably.
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Solomon wanted to be godlike and got too big for his britches. Eventually he himself realized this, but a lot of damage had been done by then and he lost a lot.

"Remain objective if you can," you say. Why do you think I'm not? Are you able to remain objective? Or have you already decided you're wiser than Solomon?
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems. It wasn't intended as offensive or an attack, yet, there you go getting narky.

Wanted to be godlike? I wasn't aware of that, can you fill me in or let me know that's mentioned?
Shit certainly did go south a bit for him though lol.

Yeah, I can remain objective.
 Quoting: Ty_


Your reply begins with an admission of prejudicial bias which undercuts your hollow assurance of objectivity.

And you seem clueless about Solomonology 101. Have you read the primary texts, including Solomon's own writings? Even Wikipedia spells it out:


-----

He is portrayed as great in wisdom, wealth and power beyond either of the previous kings of the country, but also as a king who sinned. His sins included idolatry, marrying foreign women and, ultimately, turning away from Yahvveh, and that led to the kingdom's being torn in two during the reign of his son Rehoboam.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


Naamah was one of the 700 wives and concubines of King Solomon and mother of his heir, Rehoboam, according to both 1 Kings 14:21–31, and 2 Chronicles 12:13 in the He6revv Bible. She was an Ammonite, and, as such, one of only two of all the Queen Mothers of |$r@e1 or Judah who was a foreigner (the other being Jezebel).

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

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godlike = ~~I did it myyyyy waaayyyy~~ (Sinatra)

Solomon is the "wisest man who ever lived" not because he once was a powerful magickian, but because he repented of such vain pursuits and recommitted himself to Almighty God later in life.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


Observation of fact is never bias nor prejudicial.
If I state that the colour of something is darker than another colour, is that prejudicial bias as well?

Nothing you linked states he wanted to be godlike, additionally the words linked specifically state he is portrayed, which is indicative of a biography and interpretation.

In red: Doing something your own way is now considered Godlike?

Dude, level up. You've typed words but said little.
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"I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems."

I'll accept this earlier assertion of yours. Let's say 51% of the world's population are unable to be objective about belief systems. Since the current world population is 7.9 billion, 51% would be 4,029,000,000 people who are entirely subjective. But you go around prejudging that the other 3,871,000,000 billion people are the same. That is a bias, objectively speaking. Now you have to accept this objective fact and be intellectually honest.

And you also need to read up on Solomon.
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"I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems."

I'll accept this earlier assertion of yours. Let's say 51% of the world's population are unable to be objective about belief systems. Since the current world population is 7.9 billion, 51% would be 4,029,000,000 people who are entirely subjective. But you go around prejudging that the other 3,871,000,000 billion people are the same. That is a bias, objectively speaking. Now you have to accept this objective fact and be intellectually honest.

And you also need to read up on Solomon.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


Bold: Stopping there would've been fine.
Italic: I didn't, did I? You yourself agreed with the 51%, the majority.

Read up on Solomon, you're right, I'm far from an authority on him, that's why I've mostly asked you for information. The stuff you linked was kinda flimsy though, I think you'll agree.

I'll take some time and look for where he's trying to be Godlike. That said, to aspire to be as Gods, to bring in to ourselves the virtues of, is some of the oldest teachings known to man. Preceding anything Abrahamic by a long way.

Anyway, I'll read up on Solomon as said to see where you're getting your perspective/interpretation of the godlike aspect. Although I did watch a good series recently going through his life when dealing with the spirits.
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"I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems."

I'll accept this earlier assertion of yours. Let's say 51% of the world's population are unable to be objective about belief systems. Since the current world population is 7.9 billion, 51% would be 4,029,000,000 people who are entirely subjective. But you go around prejudging that the other 3,871,000,000 billion people are the same. That is a bias, objectively speaking. Now you have to accept this objective fact and be intellectually honest.

And you also need to read up on Solomon.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


Bold: Stopping there would've been fine.
Italic: I didn't, did I? You yourself agreed with the 51%, the majority.
 Quoting: Ty_


Your lack of intellectual integrity betrays you and won't allow you to admit your bias. You're unable to be objective. Going round with you is a waste of time.

Now go read Ecclesiastes and you'll see that I'm right and you are a naive lightweight.
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"I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems."

I'll accept this earlier assertion of yours. Let's say 51% of the world's population are unable to be objective about belief systems. Since the current world population is 7.9 billion, 51% would be 4,029,000,000 people who are entirely subjective. But you go around prejudging that the other 3,871,000,000 billion people are the same. That is a bias, objectively speaking. Now you have to accept this objective fact and be intellectually honest.

And you also need to read up on Solomon.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


Bold: Stopping there would've been fine.
Italic: I didn't, did I? You yourself agreed with the 51%, the majority.
 Quoting: Ty_


Your lack of intellectual integrity betrays you and won't allow you to admit your bias. You're unable to be objective. Going round with you is a waste of time.

Now go read Ecclesiastes and you'll see that I'm right and you are a naive lightweight.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


So I point out that you inserted an incorrect statement, claiming I said this when I didn't - then in response you're just getting narky and trying to place yourself above me in some ego driven tantrum of "academic" superiority complex, then ride off in to the sunset on your high horse?

Cya.
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Nothing you linked states he wanted to be godlike, additionally the words linked specifically state he is portrayed, which is indicative of a biography and interpretation.

Doing something your own way is now considered Godlike?
 Quoting: Ty_


van•i•ty

n. Excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments; conceit. synonym: conceit.
n. Something about which one is vain or conceited.


con•ceit

n. Unduly favorable estimation of one's own abilities or worth; overly positive self-regard.


god•like

adj. Resembling or of the nature of a god or God; divine.
Like God or a god in any respect; of divine quality; partaking of or exercising divine attributes; supremely excellent.
adj. Resembling or befitting a god or God; divine; hence, preeminently good.


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His sins included idolatry, marrying foreign women and, ultimately, turning away from Yahweh, and that led to the kingdom's being torn in two during the reign of his son Rehoboam.

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Isaiah 14

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
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It only works for good.
The most powerful thing you can do is pray for others.
You'll see that it works.
Asking for yourself is not as effective.
Bless those around you and they will return the favor.
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"I say that due to the fact the majority of the population of the planet are entirely subjective. Especially when it comes to belief systems."

I'll accept this earlier assertion of yours. Let's say 51% of the world's population are unable to be objective about belief systems. Since the current world population is 7.9 billion, 51% would be 4,029,000,000 people who are entirely subjective. But you go around prejudging that the other 3,871,000,000 billion people are the same. That is a bias, objectively speaking. Now you have to accept this objective fact and be intellectually honest.

And you also need to read up on Solomon.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


Bold: Stopping there would've been fine.
Italic: I didn't, did I? You yourself agreed with the 51%, the majority.
 Quoting: Ty_


Your lack of intellectual integrity betrays you and won't allow you to admit your bias. You're unable to be objective. Going round with you is a waste of time.

Now go read Ecclesiastes and you'll see that I'm right and you are a naive lightweight.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


So I point out that you inserted an incorrect statement, claiming I said this when I didn't - then in response you're just getting narky and trying to place yourself above me in some ego driven tantrum of "academic" superiority complex, then ride off in to the sunset on your high horse?

Cya.
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Walk it off. It'll only hurt for a little bit, kid.
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Re: I am learning magick.. both Defensive and Offensive. But more help is welcome
Some good discussion and warnings as well.
Why do you want to learn offensive? There is a great trap in doing this.
Instead, I recommend learning all you can about defensive measures, the layering of 'shields' that have different purposes. Say, a one way mirror that reflects negativity, surrounded by a 'sludge'/'mud'/'slowing field', however you can visualize it. Many layers can take care of threats that a single hardened shield may not.

If you must learn of more aggressive things, consider instead of seeking to directly assault your "enemy", that you can place a metaphorical guard dog within a system, complete with a "Beware Guard Dog" feel, then leave an entry point or two open.

Another way to think of it, consider the medieval killing field in castles.

"A killing field was an area between the main wall and a secondary wall, so when the first wall was breached the attackers would run into the killing field to be confronted by another wall from which soldiers bombarded them. Soldiers would be positioned atop the second wall and armed with any variety of weapons, ranging from bows to crossbows to simple rocks."

Anyway, just some thoughts.
Never stop learning, be careful and keep quiet about your specific stuff. Unless you're baiting some twats of course. :)

Edit: I assume you know that you need to master your emotions and strive for pinpoint accurate intent. If not, begin aiming for that. Lack of emotional control or a drifting mind will cause at minimum failed efforts, at worst hyperbad.
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A miracle is a supernatural action with help from Above. Magic is a supernatural action with help from Below. If you need big help, just ask Almighty God in the name of Yeshuah Messiah. Ask and you shall receive. Knock and the door shall be opened. Just ask wisely.

Otherwise, messing around with magick has a huge price: your soul. Those who practice magick have no share in the Heaven to come on the other side.
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A miracle is 'supernatural' (not really, if it happens it is natural) action from without. Magick is a (see above) action from within. Both of your interpretaions are misguided. There is, within and without and then there is the beyond either. Stop thinkin along dualistic lines and start thinking 'the fuzz' in between on and off, is what quantum computing is based on.
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There is time for taking punches and a time to punch... I did the defensive part and now seeing the wizards and warlocks for the offensive part. Who has links on how to get started?

I am a noob!
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You are a noob, because you apparently don't realize that you're messing with demons. You are grabbing a rattlesnake by the tail. Repent and get saved!
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Re: I am learning magick.. both Defensive and Offensive. But more help is welcome
My input would be don't do the offensive sort EVER.

Whatever the reasons, there is some amount of "real" to thoughts effecting the environment in non physical ways; or at least from my own experiences and reports from history.

The reactions are not usually immediate and I've never seen things happen like in movies but it's much more subtle and usually only molds existing infrastructure. So our environment seems mentally reactive outside of physical interaction to some extent.

If this is so, then bad, selfish impulses have the possibility of echoing back. Maybe even 3 times as bad, as some Wiccans assert. Either way we live in a reactive environment with other agents of change and one must accept backlash.

I've never known a "happy" black magician with a fairy tale ending.
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Re: I am learning magick.. both Defensive and Offensive. But more help is welcome
Some good discussion and warnings as well.
Why do you want to learn offensive? There is a great trap in doing this.
Instead, I recommend learning all you can about defensive measures, the layering of 'shields' that have different purposes. Say, a one way mirror that reflects negativity, surrounded by a 'sludge'/'mud'/'slowing field', however you can visualize it. Many layers can take care of threats that a single hardened shield may not.

If you must learn of more aggressive things, consider instead of seeking to directly assault your "enemy", that you can place a metaphorical guard dog within a system, complete with a "Beware Guard Dog" feel, then leave an entry point or two open.

Another way to think of it, consider the medieval killing field in castles.

"A killing field was an area between the main wall and a secondary wall, so when the first wall was breached the attackers would run into the killing field to be confronted by another wall from which soldiers bombarded them. Soldiers would be positioned atop the second wall and armed with any variety of weapons, ranging from bows to crossbows to simple rocks."

Anyway, just some thoughts.
Never stop learning, be careful and keep quiet about your specific stuff. Unless you're baiting some twats of course. :)

Edit: I assume you know that you need to master your emotions and strive for pinpoint accurate intent. If not, begin aiming for that. Lack of emotional control or a drifting mind will cause at minimum failed efforts, at worst hyperbad.
 Quoting: Ty_


A miracle is a supernatural action with help from Above. Magic is a supernatural action with help from Below. If you need big help, just ask Almighty God in the name of Yeshuah Messiah. Ask and you shall receive. Knock and the door shall be opened. Just ask wisely.

Otherwise, messing around with magick has a huge price: your soul. Those who practice magick have no share in the Heaven to come on the other side.
 Quoting: Dulcius Ex Asperis


A miracle is 'supernatural' (not really, if it happens it is natural) action from without. Magick is a (see above) action from within. Both of your interpretaions are misguided. There is, within and without and then there is the beyond either. Stop thinkin along dualistic lines and start thinking 'the fuzz' in between on and off, is what quantum computing is based on.
 Quoting: Saint Lance the Odd from BC


I accept the following definitions.


miracle

an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs

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magic

(1) the use of means (such as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces

(2) an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source

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If you ask Almighty God for divine assistance in the name of Yeshuah Messiah to heal a cancer tumor in a loved one and such is granted, so that without any treatment or surgery, and to the amazement of doctors, the tumor is completely gone, then the phenomenon is miraculous. And all is right and good.

If, however, you are circumambulating in the ill-fitting Melchizedek Priesthood costume you bought off Amazon, while chanting lispy tetragrammaton permutations, and as the fingernail and hair chowder stinkingly bubbles, and polarized lunar light hits the silver blade at autumnal equinox, all inside a large triangle which is inside a copper frame pyramid aligned to magnetic north, and while pouring liquor on the ground and sprinkling tobacco in order to summon the Gibborim spirit who will go and destroy the person whose name is written on the parchment, and then that victim suddenly dies within days from a massive stroke though otherwise in perfect health, that is magick. And all is not right as it is evil, since the magickian has the goatlike temerity to defy God's Will and God's laws and use magick and demonic entities to manifest their own will without an ounce of humility or shame. And it would take a lot of turning one's head sidewise and squinting to accept that all that came from within, at least for someone who doesn't suffer from Solipsism.

The ideas which you suggest I accept have been entertained, evaluated and sorted years ago and since rejected. The warning of the two angels of Babylon should be heeded. Cheers.

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