Why Derek Chauvin is GUILTY of FIRST DEGREE murder according to the law.

You have no idea what you're talking about and it's not a race issue , like some people make it out to be.. and how was it an illegal arrest for color of law

You have no idea what you're talking about and it's not a race issue

Mehhhhhh stopped caring when I discovered both him and Floyd were best friends working as bouncers together. Psyop for retards

Floyd was a turd

Why is Chauvin guilty of first degree murder? First degree murder has several elements which must be met. First, of course, there must be a death at the hands of another, defined as homicide. The medical examiner and medical specialists and every witness who has testified so far testified that this was a homicide, so that element is proved beyond reasonable doubt. George Floyd died as the direct result of Derek Chauvins actions, in a coordinated three on one PHYSICAL ATTACK on another.

Second, the accused must have had a primary responsibility for that death. So far all of the medical experts agree Derek Chauvins actions were the primary cause of Floyds death, so absent some new information this element is presumably met.

Third, He had to know his actions would result in death, the intent part of he definition. We heard testimony Chauvin was trained specifically to avoid positional asphyxia when subduing suspects, and we saw him ignore that training for a total of over 9 minutes. Intent. Once a suspect is in handcuffs he is not to be held prone for more time than is necessary to get him handcuffed because breathing is impaired in that position. My feeling on it is Chauvin heard Floyd complaining he couldn't breathe before he actually couldn't, and thought he could say he thought he must have been able to breathe because he was talking, and therefor was lying after held on the ground.

The police chief and trainer both testified Chauvin received this training and knowledge, that death was the probable result f this specific action.


The last element of first degree murder is premeditation, to have time to change his mind and to decide not to anyway, the premeditation and most depraved element, and why first degree murder is the worst type.

We can assume that Chauvin had at least four minutes to decide not to kill Floyd, since that is how long after he stopped breathing and moving and no pulse was found before Chauvin finally got up off of him. Chauvin knew at that point when no pulse was felt that he was "finishing him off", and making sure he died. AT this point CPR could have saved him, but Chauvin didn't try it and didn't allow anyone else to including a trained paramedic.

There is no way anyone can claim Chauvin didn't realize what he was doing would kill Floyd, because he was specifically trained that it it would, called positional asphyxia. The conscious and unconscious neck restraint was explained in detail in trial testimony, that continuing it after unconsciousness occurred would surely result in death in minutes and Chauvin was trained to know this.

I have seen so many people who claim they could and would survive what was done to Floyd, and I can tell you though my own personal experience, you would not. The position of Floyd and the weight of two men pressing down on his back and neck made getting the oxygen he needed to live completely impossible, and in my opinion based on what I saw and the information I have heard, Chauvin knew he was killing Floyd, intended to kill Floyd, and had plenty of time to think about it and change his mind.

Alot of people will argue the police have a hard job, and a lot of people make excuses for them when they abuse suspects that sound like this. They are also well paid to do their jobs, and are not forced into that line of work by anyone. I have also seen so many people say polcie shoudl be given privileged latitude because of the difficulty and courage their jobs require, and the danger they are exposed to. Let me remind you, all of us are exposed to the same exact dangers, and most of us dont have twenty armed men to back us up. ANd we certainly doent have the latitude to defend ourselves. Try to shoot someone because you saw a gun in their hand and see how fast you get locked up. And Ill tell you something else, if YOU and three of your friends had done this exact same thing to ANYONE, you'd be on trial for first degree murder. I think almost all of us here realize this, but there is a certain percentage of people who believe police should be held to special privileged standards. I think the opposite, I think people trained and paid to enforce THE LAW should be held to a HIGHER STANDAND of legal and moral behavior, not a lower one.

:wtfid::specilstupid:

Color of law crime does not refer to any racial element.

It refers to crimes committed under the pretense of enforcing the law.

"Stop resisting my efforts to kill you, stop trying to breathe"

Why is Chauvin guilty of first degree murder? First degree murder has several elements which must be met. First, of course, there must be a death at the hands of another, defined as homicide. The medical examiner and medical specialists and every witness who has testified so far testified that this was a homicide, so that element is proved beyond reasonable doubt. George Floyd died as the direct result of Derek Chauvins actions, in a coordinated three on one PHYSICAL ATTACK on another.

Second, the accused must have had a primary responsibility for that death. So far all of the medical experts agree Derek Chauvins actions were the primary cause of Floyds death, so absent some new information this element is presumably met.

Third, He had to know his actions would result in death, the intent part of he definition. We heard testimony Chauvin was trained specifically to avoid positional asphyxia when subduing suspects, and we saw him ignore that training for a total of over 9 minutes. Intent. Once a suspect is in handcuffs he is not to be held prone for more time than is necessary to get him handcuffed because breathing is impaired in that position. My feeling on it is Chauvin heard Floyd complaining he couldn't breathe before he actually couldn't, and thought he could say he thought he must have been able to breathe because he was talking, and therefor was lying after held on the ground.

The police chief and trainer both testified Chauvin received this training and knowledge, that death was the probable result f this specific action.


The last element of first degree murder is premeditation, to have time to change his mind and to decide not to anyway, the premeditation and most depraved element, and why first degree murder is the worst type.

We can assume that Chauvin had at least four minutes to decide not to kill Floyd, since that is how long after he stopped breathing and moving and no pulse was found before Chauvin finally got up off of him. Chauvin knew at that point when no pulse was felt that he was "finishing him off", and making sure he died. AT this point CPR could have saved him, but Chauvin didn't try it and didn't allow anyone else to including a trained paramedic.

There is no way anyone can claim Chauvin didn't realize what he was doing would kill Floyd, because he was specifically trained that it it would, called positional asphyxia. The conscious and unconscious neck restraint was explained in detail in trial testimony, that continuing it after unconsciousness occurred would surely result in death in minutes and Chauvin was trained to know this.

I have seen so many people who claim they could and would survive what was done to Floyd, and I can tell you though my own personal experience, you would not. The position of Floyd and the weight of two men pressing down on his back and neck made getting the oxygen he needed to live completely impossible, and in my opinion based on what I saw and the information I have heard, Chauvin knew he was killing Floyd, intended to kill Floyd, and had plenty of time to think about it and change his mind.

Alot of people will argue the police have a hard job, and a lot of people make excuses for them when they abuse suspects that sound like this. They are also well paid to do their jobs, and are not forced into that line of work by anyone. I have also seen so many people say polcie shoudl be given privileged latitude because of the difficulty and courage their jobs require, and the danger they are exposed to. Let me remind you, all of us are exposed to the same exact dangers, and most of us dont have twenty armed men to back us up. ANd we certainly doent have the latitude to defend ourselves. Try to shoot someone because you saw a gun in their hand and see how fast you get locked up. And Ill tell you something else, if YOU and three of your friends had done this exact same thing to ANYONE, you'd be on trial for first degree murder. I think almost all of us here realize this, but there is a certain percentage of people who believe police should be held to special privileged standards. I think the opposite, I think people trained and paid to enforce THE LAW should be held to a HIGHER STANDAND of legal and moral behavior, not a lower one.

He's innocent because he's white and George is black. He's double innocent because he is a cop. He's triple innocent because he's a white cop and george was a black drug addict.

What is so hard to understand about this? This is america. You just be new.

not even a jailhouse lawyer!

He's innocent because he's white and George is black. He's double innocent because he is a cop. He's triple innocent because he's a white cop and george was a black drug addict.

What is so hard to understand about this? This is america. You just be new.

You must forget how minorities are allowed to run rampant in this country, and loot and destroy cities with no consequences

I'm vilified everywhere I go for being white.. there is no white privilege in this country

There's privilege for being a good human being

he unfortunate reality is that for approximately 30 percent of the population, that is an accurate representation of their state of mind. However, the 14the amendment states without ambiguity that all persons in the United States have equal protection of the law, and are subject to the same and equitable application of the law. Thats what "no justice, no peace" means.

You ARE NOT a good human being.

You must forget how minorities are allowed to run rampant in this country, and loot and destroy cities with no consequences

I'm vilified everywhere I go for being white.. there is no white privilege in this country

There's privilege for being a good human being

He makes a strong argument. Your rebuttal is.. "not even a jailhouse lawyer"? Wtf do you even mean by that? Get your lovers dick out of your hand so you have two to type with and try again.

Oh holy shit. Vilified where, by who? Are you an asshole? Do you go around saying shit like you just said, and then get vilified for it? Or are you seriously trying to claim that in your regular day to day activities you feel like you are prejudiced for being white? I'm white. I've literally never felt that way in my life.

Where do you live? Whats the breakdown of race in the community?

Or is this all just something tucker carlson told you is happening?

Don’t worry. There will be justice. No way he’ll be found not guilty.

Dude you don't know me. I give money to homeless people, give rides to strangers, I bought dinner for a black teenager the other day because he told me he was homeless and hungry

You keep judging because I know I'm a better person than you

You're.. not. You just said you were a better person than someone else you know literally, LITERALLY, nothing about. That objectively makes you not that great of a person. I'm glad you do kindnesses for strangers. But really that sounds more like a laundry list of bullshit things you made up than things you actually do. Have you ever bought dinner for a white "homeless hungry teenager" before? Why didn't you just say you bought a homeless person dinner? You went out of your way to score some points by making them a black teenager.


Eat a dick.

It'll be a hung jury. it's pretty predicable actually. No mater how guilty Chauvin is some jurors will either be afraid to or unmotivated to see him punished.

I live on the east side of Buffalo in the ghetto

I've been the victim of racism for a long time. And I still love my brothers and I still help them out whenever they need it

But to think that people don't get put down for being white in this country is ridiculous, black people play the race card everywhere in the hood. I've never played the race card once in my life

I'm actually thinking it'll be a hung jury as well. That or guilty. I don't think there's a not guilty verdict forthcoming, but there is more trial coming so it's still early in the game.

I actually am telling the truth, and why did I mention him being black? Because this whole thread is filled with people who think whites are racist

I live on the east side of Buffalo there's not a lot of white people.. and yes I did everything I said in my post

I grew up with a father who would go around the hood giving out hamburgers to the homeless, and he judged me first so I just threw it back

You reap what you sow.

I treat people like I want to be treated, and almost always it works. People can sense when you have the attitude you do towards them, just like a dog can sense a scumbag.