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The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam

 
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The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
Genesis 25:8-9
Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people. And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

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When he died, Abraham was “gathered to his people,” and later he was “buried” in the cave of Machpelah. Is that the same event or two separate events?

Notice that the timing seems to be different. Abraham was gathered to his people when he died; then he was buried. Those events are sequential, not simultaneous.

...

To return to our original question: where did Abraham go when he died? The answer is twofold: his body was buried in a cave in Machpelah, but his soul was gathered to his people in Sheol.

How does this apply to the debates over hell? To put it simply, when you understand that your body and your soul experience different outcomes after you die, it sheds light on many final punishment passages.

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The righteous believing went to "Abraham's Bosom" before it was named after Abraham.
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And where are they now? Still in the same place?
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
no it does not and its been the same all over the creation after death.. it did not start Abraham to Adam. Your bible is full of a lot of crap.. it is not the word of God and heaven only knows what "translations" have done to it.
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
no it does not and its been the same all over the creation after death.. it did not start Abraham to Adam. Your bible is full of a lot of crap.. it is not the word of God and heaven only knows what "translations" have done to it.
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Correct...God DOES know what men have done to His Holy Word. He is a loving Father and is more than capable of making what remnants we have of His Word be SUFFICIENT! That's what the Holy Spirit is for...DISCERNMENT!

Try taking God out of the little box in your head and stop living in fear of the Truth...oh, ye of little faith.
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
And where are they now? Still in the same place?
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Yes.
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And where are they now? Still in the same place?
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Yes.
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One thing I like about Mormonism is that they believe in eternal progression of the soul after death, not staying in the same place forever and ever.
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How does this apply to the debates over hell? To put it simply, when you understand that your body and your soul experience different outcomes after you die, it sheds light on many final punishment passages.

[link to faithalone.org (secure)]

The righteous believing went to "Abraham's Bosom" before it was named after Abraham.
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It’s certainly an improvement on the typical view that the dead know nothing, feel nothing, and everyone that ever died except Enoch and Elijah are still dead-dead, awaiting the end days Resurrection of all the bodies from their graves, to be paraded before God for final Judgment.
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
no it does not and its been the same all over the creation after death.. it did not start Abraham to Adam. Your bible is full of a lot of crap.. it is not the word of God and heaven only knows what "translations" have done to it.
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Correct...God DOES know what men have done to His Holy Word. He is a loving Father and is more than capable of making what remnants we have of His Word be SUFFICIENT! That's what the Holy Spirit is for...DISCERNMENT!

Try taking God out of the little box in your head and stop living in fear of the Truth...oh, ye of little faith.
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What I know of God is not in a box on my head... I don't live in fear. The bible is not God's holy word... it has too much fiction in it.
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
Did not know our creator just only created one man and one female

Did not our creator create 12 tribes of adams

Men and women

And they are called adam



So u speak only non sense when its was that simple


Let me guess professor of great education told u


When the book tells u that mankind both men and women


Are called adam


No one said it was only two humans


Dont believe me better read up
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Oh shit my bad i forget


This isnthe group who thinks the creator needs a machine to rescue people hahhaha



Or think the hosts of heaven amd the inahabitants of earth arengoing to escape

Judgement


Funny when the heavens melt and fall first then the earth


But u should of known that i mean u all seem pretty clevor


So clevor u all thought adam was just one man


When adam are humans

Men and women
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
Abraham's living relatives buried him. Job:14 promotes the time in the grave seems like a moment rather than a long time.
Hell is only for the ones Jesus kills with the 7 vials.

Ge:2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.
Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ec:9:10:
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do,
do it with thy might;
for there is no work,
nor device,
nor knowledge,
nor wisdom,
in the grave,
whither thou goest.

Job:14:12-17:
So man lieth down,
and riseth not:
till the heavens be no more,
they shall not awake,
nor be raised out of their sleep.
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave,
that thou wouldest keep me secret,
until thy wrath be past,
that thou wouldest appoint me a set time,
and remember me!
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
For now thou numberest my steps:
dost thou not watch over my sin?
My transgression is sealed up in a bag,
and thou sewest up mine iniquity.
1Th:4:14:
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
no it does not and its been the same all over the creation after death.. it did not start Abraham to Adam. Your bible is full of a lot of crap.. it is not the word of God and heaven only knows what "translations" have done to it.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Correct...God DOES know what men have done to His Holy Word. He is a loving Father and is more than capable of making what remnants we have of His Word be SUFFICIENT! That's what the Holy Spirit is for...DISCERNMENT!

Try taking God out of the little box in your head and stop living in fear of the Truth...oh, ye of little faith.
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What I know of God is not in a box on my head... I don't live in fear. The bible is not God's holy word... it has too much fiction in it.
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How can one say they know the truth? One says this, another says that.

It’s a belief. You may be wrong, you may be right. But it’s belief, not a proven fact.

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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
no it does not and its been the same all over the creation after death.. it did not start Abraham to Adam. Your bible is full of a lot of crap.. it is not the word of God and heaven only knows what "translations" have done to it.
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thumbsdown

no candace, YOU are full of shit. the bible is correct and is the word of GOD
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
There never was an Abraham or an Adam.

It's obviously a self serving tribal myth
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What I know of God is not in a box on my head... I don't live in fear. The bible is not God's holy word... it has too much fiction in it.
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NOPE. that ^^^ is wickedness and blasphemy outright. you live within the perpetual stupidity of urantia. You have a fake spaceship on your head. and it is your urantia book and phoenix journals that is the fiction. The bible is the word of GOD regardless of what you say or what lies you spew.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
no it does not and its been the same all over the creation after death.. it did not start Abraham to Adam. Your bible is full of a lot of crap.. it is not the word of God and heaven only knows what "translations" have done to it.
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:thumbsdown:

no candace, YOU are full of shit. the bible is correct and is the word of GOD
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Thanks, Baloney. Sometimes it takes a man like Baloney to know the truth.
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What if we never left.
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
no it does not and its been the same all over the creation after death.. it did not start Abraham to Adam. Your bible is full of a lot of crap.. it is not the word of God and heaven only knows what "translations" have done to it.
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The Creator said: I created the earth, and fashioned it, and placed it in the firmament; and by My presence, brought man forth, a living being. I gave him a corporeal body so that he could learn corporeal things; and I made death so that he could rise in the firmament and inherit My etherean worlds.
… Oahspe Bible
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Some were imprisoned:

1 Peter 3:19-20:
After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

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The Bible, a science fiction tome of questionable source.

Best free book available for millions of years on several destroyed solar systems, throughout the universe.

Guaranteed to eventually destroy all lives wherever it is printed, and super-divide all people on a spiritual basis, because everyone proclaims their version or interpretation is the exact "Word of God".

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The Creator said: I created the earth, and fashioned it, and placed it in the firmament; and by My presence, brought man forth, a living being. I gave him a corporeal body so that he could learn corporeal things; and I made death so that he could rise in the firmament and inherit My etherean worlds.
… Oahspe Bible
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Ahhh I dunno. I mean at this point who could say really. I just dunno. And neither do you!
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thank you for your signature line I see it skip it as you have NEVER been right about anything ever. Skip skip skip
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Some were imprisoned:

1 Peter 3:19-20:
After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

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Good find.
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The Creator said: I created the earth, and fashioned it, and placed it in the firmament; and by My presence, brought man forth, a living being. I gave him a corporeal body so that he could learn corporeal things; and I made death so that he could rise in the firmament and inherit My etherean worlds.
… Oahspe Bible
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Ahhh I dunno. I mean at this point who could say really. I just dunno. And neither do you!
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Just keep an open mind to the real possibility that after you die, you still live.
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One day the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried.

In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side.


So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’…
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But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
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2 Corinthians 5:1
Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a
building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
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Genesis 25:8-9
Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people. And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

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When he died, Abraham was “gathered to his people,” and later he was “buried” in the cave of Machpelah. Is that the same event or two separate events?

Notice that the timing seems to be different. Abraham was gathered to his people when he died; then he was buried. Those events are sequential, not simultaneous.

...

To return to our original question: where did Abraham go when he died? The answer is twofold: his body was buried in a cave in Machpelah, but his soul was gathered to his people in Sheol.

How does this apply to the debates over hell? To put it simply, when you understand that your body and your soul experience different outcomes after you die, it sheds light on many final punishment passages.

[link to faithalone.org (secure)]

The righteous believing went to "Abraham's Bosom" before it was named after Abraham.
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Your translation is as your mind wishes it.
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And where are they now? Still in the same place?
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Those who died prior to Christ's promise and His coming, went with Him after He was Resurrected. Those who were of the calling. These were the first fruits that took part in the first Resurrection.

Matthew 27
52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

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*ebrews 9:27-28
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27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

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Revelation 14:4
“These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.”
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Re: The Bible explains where people went after death before Abraham to Adam
no it does not and its been the same all over the creation after death.. it did not start Abraham to Adam. Your bible is full of a lot of crap.. it is not the word of God and heaven only knows what "translations" have done to it.
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