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wisconsin
User ID: 81016678 United States 11/26/2021 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . ... awesome vid I'm sure ... will have to watch the 2+ hour presentation in chunks ... . ... and I seen some presentations that at the END claim the shroud is nothing but a fraud ... and therefore Yeshua is a fraud ... . ...... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
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Templar Knight
(OP) User ID: 80488202 United States 11/26/2021 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: wisconsin ... awesome vid I'm sure ... will have to watch the 2+ hour presentation in chunks ... . ... and I seen some presentations that at the END claim the shroud is nothing but a fraud ... and therefore Yeshua is a fraud ... . ...... . Interestingly enough, Sacco believed the Shroud a fake because he read it in the news. He began his research half-heartedly and basically to appease his mother. Once he started interviewing scientists, examining the shroud himself and running tests...he was transformed. One very interesting and heretofore unknown fact is that from six feet away or less, the image on the shroud is invisible. Sacco stated that the image is basically imprinted on the very top fibers of the material and not the underlying material. To explain it better, if you hold your arm straight up with the elbow on a table...the image on the shroud is on the very tips of your finger and no deeper. The day the soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership. |
MostHolyFace
User ID: 79063875 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it a good subject and I am glad that he found what he did, 5star and green for you. However I have to point some things out OP The idea this guy found these things out, or has brought them to the world, is like saying a reporter, wrote the script for what he reports on. I have not watched it in full, however all the things you state have been proven and known for years. There is a massive unrelenting huge amount of repeated and proven scientific research about the shroud for decades. It is all swept under the carpet, ignored by the scientific peers, that's those who researh it know and show, and the MSM. It is the most important archeogical evidence in the history of the world. It basically is like crime scene 101 forensic proof of the Bible and Jesus, and his passion and scourging. The "meme" of the Carbon dating being medieval is repeated ad nauseam and it has been disproved time and time and time again, not just the part of the cloth taken from a proven stitched on later repeair to damage of fire, also by the very team who did that work originally. Here is some and OP like you say most people have the attention span of a few seconds. Scientific Data reports analysis for decade, proven without a doubt to be as the shroud is claimed in many ways a man at the time of Christ, suffering exactly the things described in the Bible, including the Holy Wounds and final lance blow. [link to www.shroud.com (secure)] For the further true scientists and of scientific bent there was an organisation that was peer reviewed in all of its work on the shroud here is their jornal: Shroud Spectrum International Indiana Center for Shroud Studies [link to www.shroud.com (secure)] Here is Links to many other organisations and research over decades into the shroud here: [link to www.shroud.com (secure)] ANYONE who spends any time in serious search for truth using those tools and information, and any the OP's video points out that is supported by the scientific papers and research ive linked, and then says the shroud is in any way not describing nearly exactly what was described of Jesus Christs scourging, and crucifixation and death, and is made by human hands, and "Science" can explain it even as just the blood after death as a funeral shroud, in it's properties. Is the same as someone who would say after spending time at NASA and accessing data and observations that The moon is bright at night. Therefore the sun gets its light from the moon. The Shroud is the Burial Cloth of the person Jesus Christ the Bible tells the historical record of his crucifixtion and scourging. Just Facts. May God Bless You Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
Templar Knight
(OP) User ID: 80488202 United States 11/26/2021 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it a good subject and I am glad that he found what he did, 5star and green for you. Quoting: MostHolyFace However I have to point some things out OP The idea this guy found these things out, or has brought them to the world, is like saying a reporter, wrote the script for what he reports on. I have not watched it in full, however all the things you state have been proven and known for years. There is a massive unrelenting huge amount of repeated and proven scientific research about the shroud for decades. It is all swept under the carpet, ignored by the scientific peers, that's those who researh it know and show, and the MSM. It is the most important archeogical evidence in the history of the world. It basically is like crime scene 101 forensic proof of the Bible and Jesus, and his passion and scourging. The "meme" of the Carbon dating being medieval is repeated ad nauseam and it has been disproved time and time and time again, not just the part of the cloth taken from a proven stitched on later repeair to damage of fire, also by the very team who did that work originally. Here is some and OP like you say most people have the attention span of a few seconds. Scientific Data reports analysis for decade, proven without a doubt to be as the shroud is claimed in many ways a man at the time of Christ, suffering exactly the things described in the Bible, including the Holy Wounds and final lance blow. [link to www.shroud.com (secure)] For the further true scientists and of scientific bent there was an organisation that was peer reviewed in all of its work on the shroud here is their jornal: Shroud Spectrum International Indiana Center for Shroud Studies [link to www.shroud.com (secure)] Here is Links to many other organisations and research over decades into the shroud here: [link to www.shroud.com (secure)] ANYONE who spends any time in serious search for truth using those tools and information, and any the OP's video points out that is supported by the scientific papers and research ive linked, and then says the shroud is in any way not describing nearly exactly what was described of Jesus Christs scourging, and crucifixation and death, and is made by human hands, and "Science" can explain it even as just the blood after death as a funeral shroud, in it's properties. Is the same as someone who would say after spending time at NASA and accessing data and observations that The moon is bright at night. Therefore the sun gets its light from the moon. The Shroud is the Burial Cloth of the person Jesus Christ the Bible tells the historical record of his crucifixtion and scourging. Just Facts. May God Bless You Thanks for the input. I have read off and on about the Shroud for years, and some of the things he stated I have never heard before. So, at least to me and the multitude who watched the video, it is new. Unfortunately, even with these revelations, be they new or old, the vast majority of people are not open at all to the possibilities that these are real. In these last days it is more important than ever to look inward and find truth. Sadly, I think most will be left standing outside the metaphorical ark, begging at the door to be let in, as the rain pours. May God bless you as well The day the soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership. |
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MostHolyFace
User ID: 79063875 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the input. Quoting: Templar Knight I have read off and on about the Shroud for years, and some of the things he stated I have never heard before. So, at least to me and the multitude who watched the video, it is new. Unfortunately, even with these revelations, be they new or old, the vast majority of people are not open at all to the possibilities that these are real. In these last days it is more important than ever to look inward and find truth. Sadly, I think most will be left standing outside the metaphorical ark, begging at the door to be let in, as the rain pours. May God bless you as well TKnight I have not watched it all I will this weekend, and it is great, that he is getting that message out in one consise video, and also he approached it as a sceptic to prove it wrong. I might see something I did not know, have studied it a bit for a while and I am totally sure it is the Shroud of who the bible describes as Jesus. As I am sure Jesus is who he says he is, well then it is the most important artifact we have. And TY for the thread. Going to Pin it though will later, so for more views over the weekend when gets more trafic and hopefully some might find the truth on this subject and not believe the "carbon dating states" NO IT DOES NOt...for truth. May God Bless You Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
MostHolyFace
User ID: 79063875 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh there is, it is just a name given to a form of study. That is like saying there is no such thing as Biology. Biology is real exists as a branch of intelectual study and research of particular aspects of the material world, like quantum physics, though on differant scales and measuring watching, placing in labs quantyfying, etc differant aspects of Nature. Quantum Physics like biology and all of what is then suggested under that umbrella might not always be correct, in fact science is always being updated, proven and disproven until atruth and accurate "grasp" "description" "knowing" of a part of what is being studied can be shwon to always be same, and therfore verified. Quantum Physics in some of the Theory, has been proven more times i actual laboritories and experiments than nearly any other scientific endevour. It is totally "Wooed" and used in ways it has nothing to do with, not all of it is correct, it is decsribing and proving repeatedly a very small surface farction of what it is trying to quantify and describe and measure and also shwo and prove, if x does x to x this will happen. Which in some aspects time after time after time has been shown to be true. The equations are proven. Not all. But it is very real as far as humand can measure describe quantify and predict future outcomes based on them. It does though prove it is something that fits exactly in every way, the buriel cloth placed on the Jesus Christ that the witness testimony of the Bible Describes in nearly every way. It also was created in ways and with a source of energy or power in such a small amount of time, that can not be understood by humans laws of nature or described. It's creation broke the laws of Physics as we know it. The Cloth should have burnt and been vaporised in the amount of energt taken to producc the image as it is on the shroud. If God is not doing that who or what else? One of the ways God lets his presence known through history is to say BOO I OWN NATURE, I OWN TIME AND SPACE it is nothing to me in any way. I am it's creator and outside of it. Miracles of those without eyes seeing in healings by saints, many medical impossible miracles, and many other ways. The Shroud is one of them. The Links I provide prove that. Enjoy May God Bless You. Last Edited by MostHolyFace on 11/26/2021 11:04 AM Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
MostHolyFace
User ID: 78933780 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bump for Jesus and what he went through for me and you. Bump for truth and real scientific findings not 3 miutes rehashed since proven bad scinece MSM memes. Bump for the other sceptics who if they search for truth not confirmation bias will be set free, even if they dont believe in who or what the shroud covered, set free from lies of memes, and MSM and Culture bad science disproven repeated. Bump if anyone may want ot learn more about historiacla actual physical proofs of the events as recodred in the bible. Unable to PIN with Karma at moment, already GLP system at Maximun pins for this, will sometime soon. May God Bless You Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
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Templar Knight
(OP) User ID: 80441301 United States 11/26/2021 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a shame this has not gotten more traction. We'll bump it for the evening crowd. The day the soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership. |
wisconsin
User ID: 81016678 United States 11/26/2021 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a shame this has not gotten more traction. Quoting: Templar Knight We'll bump it for the evening crowd. . ... well there will come a time when EACH HUMAN will wake up to Truth ... you've done what you've been directed to do ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
MostHolyFace
User ID: 78776898 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bump and Pin for Jesus. Bump and Pin for science not memes and proof. Bump and pin for the most important artifact in the world. Bump and Pin so the sceptics and can prove themselves right and that can only be done by refuting with equal science, and equal proof what has been proved is false. Bump and Pin for the business card of the word made flesh Bump and pin to prove the historical basis and facts of the crucifixtion of Jesus Christ as recorded in the Bible. May God Bless You Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
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MostHolyFace
User ID: 78776898 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh truth is good you know, you either believe the lies and mistakes and meme of science that the shroud was a 14c fake as most sheep do, or you beleive and accept the huge massive unrelenting proof that it is impossible and beyond the laws of nature for the shroud to be produced and made. And it was the cloth covering the body of Jesus Christ after his crucifixtion, until his resurrection, his calling card of "good news" "he is risen" the whole basis of proof of what he said and said he was. For all who say it a 14c forgery based on Radio Carbon DISPROVE THIS: May God Bless You Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
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Make Free Speech Great Again
User ID: 80554853 United States 11/26/2021 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's the Shroud of Demolay, not Christ (as you should know). Does not match the burial method of the jeevvs described in Bible (like a mummy with many clothes), and furthermore the Bible teaches it's an abomination for a man to have long hair. So definitely not Christ. But God did leave archaeological evidence proving Jesus rose from the dead. Research the pin embedded in the wall of the Garden tomb at Jerusalem... Start with Jonathan Gray's book Ark of the Covenant. Last Edited by Make Free Speech Great Again on 11/26/2021 08:22 PM The real trick is to learn to think critically; ask better and more questions. Don't accept anything at face value. Be sure you're making healthy decisions, getting adequate rest and spending proper time reflecting on things. |
MostHolyFace
User ID: 78776898 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By one of the first and only scientists who had access to the shroud. Full skeptic Was born of the same people I cant mention here where Jesus was born. Scientist Has since having to accept proof, overwhelming evidence facts etc changed his views and life and spent it prooving the authenticity of it being the burial cloth of Jesus Here: May God Bless You Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
Incognito_Burrito
User ID: 73109559 United States 11/26/2021 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh truth is good you know, you either believe the lies and mistakes and meme of science that the shroud was a 14c fake as most sheep do, or you beleive and accept the huge massive unrelenting proof that it is impossible and beyond the laws of nature for the shroud to be produced and made. And it was the cloth covering the body of Jesus Christ after his crucifixtion, until his resurrection, his calling card of "good news" "he is risen" the whole basis of proof of what he said and said he was. For all who say it a 14c forgery based on Radio Carbon DISPROVE THIS: May God Bless You except the shroud does not match the description of how he was burred.. |
Ferinha Nenem
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MostHolyFace
User ID: 78776898 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's the Shroud of Demolay, not Christ (as you should know). Does not match the burial method of the jeevvs described in Bible (like a mummy with many clothes), and furthermore the Bible teaches it's an abomination for a man to have long hair. So definitely not Christ. Quoting: Make Free Speech Great Again But God did leave archaeological evidence proving Jesus rose from the dead. Research the pin embedded in the wall of the Garden tomb at Jerusalem... Start with Jonathan Gray's book Ark of the Covenant. Again you wax as if sure. proove without your false memes the information provided. I can prove beyound a doubt now much of you mention is not true, and the same lie as things said like scinetists have said honey bees shouldnt fly, or einstein said when the last honey dies etc, just chinese whispers like many spoot. It is the shroud of Christ, not as you say at all. Any transit and hiding is well documentented and where not accounted for. The pollen on it proves it just for a start. The actual type of weaving does match what either a royal family (as jesus was from the line of David via jospeh, or Jospeh of arimithea would have provided as he was an internation trader and provided the tomb. Or even the wife of Pontius Pilate, who gave the blessed virgin mary the other cloths to clean the blood as was her duty, and had to be done from the place of scourging of Jesus. She may have given later or sent the burial shorud to. The bible does not teach it is an abdomination for a man to have long hair, for certain things roles etc and in the old laws. However have you seen the orthodox's hair you call that short? Heard of Darius Jesus was from the Nazarene's they had and wore their hair like he did. There are contempory roman and other especially in osiac tiles etc disporving totally wht you say and ascertain. This is evidense as described of eeach wound of Jesus his scourging, his legs not being broken but a side wound etc, it is more important compelling has supernatural qualities besides a single metal pin. May God Bless you Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79760738 United States 11/26/2021 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a video of an interview with Aeronautical Mechanical Engineer Jack Sacco, who did a massive study of the Shroud after being compelled by his own mother. Quoting: Templar Knight The interviewer is Craig "Sawman" Sawyer who is a Marine veteran, former Navy SEAL, sniper, and combat instructor. This video is having a profound effect on the vast majority of people who invest the time to watch it. I say invest the time, because the video is over 2 hours long. And I also realize that most people have the attention span of a gnat, so it is unlikely that people from here will flock in droves to watch it. However, if you do...you will learn incredible information never before known about the man of the Shroud. Sacco, stops short of calling the man Jesus, he simply refers to him as the man of the shroud. His research was able to determine the blood type of the man (AB-) the handedness and height of those who whipped him, and other astounding facts which had never been known before. Look at the likes/dislikes and comments to see how this has positively affected people. I will save you the trouble. The results of this FAKE SHROUD OF TURIN are gonna say that prince william is a descendant of GOD WHICH IS A LIE. HERE IS MASSIVE PROOF FROM 11/7/21 [link to rapturebeforeapocalypse.cms.webnode.com (secure)] |
MostHolyFace
User ID: 78776898 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Always the same. Is the blood group that in emergency blood transfusions, can be given to any recipient if needed :-) And again Blood not dye or paint. May God Bless You Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
MostHolyFace
User ID: 78776898 United Kingdom 11/26/2021 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will save you the trouble. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79760738 The results of this FAKE SHROUD OF TURIN are gonna say that prince william is a descendant of GOD WHICH IS A LIE. HERE IS MASSIVE PROOF FROM 11/7/21 [link to rapturebeforeapocalypse.cms.webnode.com (secure)] Nothing I have posted mentions Prince William. Prove it is fake. Anyone who would accept and believe the shroud as it was and who wore it including when they rose from the dead 3 days later, cares for Jesus and God and not for what you are on about. Many false prophets come in his name, if such a prince said he was descnde from jesus no real christian would accept it. It has nothing to do with the shroud. Jesus never had children was never married. Full Stop. No one can be his descendant. You are not "saving anyone" anything but trying to add some wierd anti christ and prince william and heritic idea and muddy them by with no proof mixing them with the shroud, and callin it fake. There is proof of it. Anyone falling for what you say you are trying to protect them from is beyond any help anway. May god Bless YOu Pray Hope & Dont Worry [link to www.sudariumchristi.com (secure)] |
maddox
User ID: 81027763 United States 11/26/2021 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great. Always interesting Last I heard it was debunked. They said the shroud was forgery But I do know they tried carbon dating and it was not a accurate read due to the huge fire that happened on the church where it was stored in a trunk in the basement The fire made accurate dating impossible But I need to believe that this is the shroud from our lord Jesus |
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