Could the 2 witnesses be Elijah or Enoch or Ezra? Need wisdom on this verse:

All of all the figures in the Bible only Elijah and Enoch never died and were taken alive. They will be the two witnesses in my opinion and will die when they are martyred in the end days after 3.5 years of ministry.

Elijah and Enoch ftw!

Last Edited by Saneromeo on 02/01/2022 12:34 AM

Elijah wrote a letter to the king about ten years after he retired "was tooken up".

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The Bible is Clear the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah.
They represent the Law and the Prophets upon which the whole religion is based upon.
They are also the only two to witness God disclose who Jesus was on, the MT of transfiguration. Which is what they will witness to Israel in the End Times. God himself declared Jesus as his Son (aka the Messiah).
Thus the AC is not the messiah, as he claims to be.
Which is why the AC wants to kill them.

Every event must be witnessed by at least two men to be considered as a valid witness of the event and thus a fact under Mosaic Law.
If it was any other two individuals,, where is the common event that they are both witnesses to?
There is not one.

Personally I believe it will be Moshe and Eliyah.

They were the TWO at the TRANSFIGURATION of Yeshua.

Mat 17:1  And after six days Yeshua took Kepha, and Yaaqob, and Yochanan his brother, and brought them up on a high mountain by themselves, 
Mat 17:2  and He was transformed before them, and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as the light. 
Mat 17:3  And see, Mosheh and Eliyah appeared to them, talking with Him. 

Regardless, they will wreak havoc on babylon/mitztrayim/nwo and the world will hate them! When they are finally killed the people of the world system, babylon/mitzrayim/nwo, will celebrate and give gifts to each other. Might even happen around the PAGAN holiday known as "christmas". ???

Rev 11:3  “And I shall give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clad in sackcloth.” 
Rev 11:4  These are the two olive trees (Eze_4:3) and the two lampstands that are standing before the Elohim of the earth. 
Rev 11:5  And if anyone wishes to harm them, fire comes out from their mouth and consumes their enemies. And if anyone wishes to harm them, he has to be killed in that way. 
Rev 11:6  These possess authority to shut the heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy. And they possess authority over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they wish. 
Rev 11:7  And when they have ended their witness, the beast coming up out of the pit of the deep shall fight against them, and overcome them, and kill them, 
Rev 11:8  and their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sedom and Mitsrayim, where also our Master was impaled, 
Rev 11:9  and some of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations see their dead bodies for three and a half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be placed into tombs, 
Rev 11:10  and those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and exult. And they shall send gifts to each other, because these two prophets tortured those dwelling on the earth. 

Some people think it is two groups or types of peoples. ???

Some people think it is Hanoch/Enoch and Eliyah because both were taken from the earth and did not physically die.

Moshe represents the Torah/Instruction and Eliyah represents HaNavi/The Prophets.

We can speculate, but in the end, the TWO will be who the TWO will be. YaH's plans and will are PERFECT.

Baruch Haba B'Shem YeHoVaH!!!

Shalom in Mashiyach Yeshua of Netzaret!!!

Eliyah

You have a simple misunderstanding of the meaning of the translation. It might be better translated thus:

[14]A man indeed killeth through his malice: and the spirit when it is gone foorth returneth not; neither the soule [having been] receiued vp, commeth againe.

The idea is that in the natural, there is no return after physical death separated the body from the soul and spirit.

There is no express or implied meaning here about re-incarnation or resurrection.

As another poster mentioned, the Two Witnesses are indeed the Law and the Prophets. That said, the archetypes are Moses (Law) and Elijah (Prophets). Jesus implied himself as the Law when he said that John the Baptist was Elijah. This being said, I do not think that John the Baptist was Elijah re-incarnated... but I have been wrong before.

As for the time of the end, I believe that the Law and the Prophets are represented by the 144,000. Not sure, but that is the way I read it.

Understanding the 2 Witnesses

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That guy needs to learn the meaning of succinct.

Hippolytus ( [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] ) lived from about 170-235 AD and was a disciple of Irenaeus, who was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a direct disciple of the Apostle John.

"On Christ and the Antichrist" is a very interesting text, and well worth a read/listen.

Here's an interesting take on it from Hippolytus of Rome in paragraph 43 of "On Christ and the Antichrist":

"... By one week, therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half. For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations. "

... So Hippolytus the "great grand disciple" of the Apostle John says Enoch and Elias [aka, Elijah]. (I'll admit though, there is a good argument for Moses and Elijah too ...)

Full Text of "On Christ and Antichrist":
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Full Audio Reading of "On Christ and Antichrist":

I think it has to be the only two men who haven't died yet, Enoch and Elijah. We all have to pay the price and they haven't yet. God is saving both of them for a special purpose obviously. And we know that the two witnesses both get killed, and then are revived, and go up into heaven.

It seems a perfect fit to me. And think about it a minute... they're called the two witnesses. Between them they've seen everybody, and everything worth seeing. Enoch knew Adam personally and probably the world's first murderer Cain too. , Elijah was in the garden the night Jesus was arrested. There's nothing and nobody the two of them together have never met or seen. That sounds like a couple of pretty good witnesses to me.

If there's anybody who can answer your questions and tell you what's true, they can. And that's why they get the job.

It can't be Moses:

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The 2 witnesses are killed.. once you're killed, ya can't get killed again.

Elijah wrote a letter to the king about ten years after he retired "was tooken up".

2Ch 21:12 KJV And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,

There was a little extra spirit given to the prophets and some kings. Just like the Holy Spirit is given to a man today when they are baptised and hands are laid on. Examples are King Saul who prophesied with the prophets. Elisha who recieved a double portion of the same spirit that Elijah had. The spirit that Moses had was also laid upon Joshua.

Plain and simple, God would not take somebody from over 2000 years ago and drop them into today's society. The culture shock would probably be overwhelming. That doesn't mean that the two end time prophets, like John the baptist had the spirit of Elijah, will have the spirit of Moses or Elijah.

It's way easier to start in the beginning of the book and read the whole story, instead of starting in the middle and trying to figure what it all means.

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no OP the two witnesses are Christianity and Islam

This is true, although most preachers ignore the fact.

enoch was not taken up in his suit of meat.. he fused with his Father Spirit Fragmen destroys the suit of meat... his Father Spirit fragment then transported his soul and spirit to the appropriate place in heaven for him. YOUR SUITS of meat do not transport to heaven. they are not eternal..

How did you discover this?

no they aren't. your just posting more of your disinfo again

you've been educated many times that the 2 witnesses are people. Revelation chapter 11 read it , for the scriptures make it clear that they are people.

Its elijah and enoch.

They never died.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Christian denominations don't ever recognize the Old Testament as being valid. They even say that the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross with Christ. The white horse with the rider that has a bow and arrow will ride though. That became a guarantee when Adam and Eve decided not to follow the rules.

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John 21 :21

 

Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?

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Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

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Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

2 all the people asserting it has to be Enoch and Elijah as opposed to Moses and Elijah...

If only you could see that you are arguing for the same thing, just as Elijah was John the Baptist and shall come again...

Yeah, John is definitely one.

Revelation 10:10-11
And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Read 1 John.It's none of the names mentioned.

How could Elijah be John the Baptist when he appeared as himself,Elijah, along with Moses at the Transfiguration at the same time John the Baptist was living near the Jordan River and preaching as himself John the Baptist.

Oh I like Moses as a witness…totally juicy!!!

Tell us more :)

This is a really good point. If these two witnesses are neither Moses, nor Elijah, nor Enoch then they will come in the spirit of the prophets of old.

The two witnesses are the holy bibles of God.
The old testament and the new testament its pretty clear does it not make unbelievers scream when they hear it.

Candlestick represents the word of God, the witnesses are the holy bibles, I can show you with verse that is the case.