You are not your inner monologue and your thoughts are not you

The answer to your question is nevertheless in the post, which you quoted and to which you answered. And not for the first time in this discussion.

You still have to read it yourself, 30 IQ howler monkey. We can't take that from you as well...

There is this man who lives without brain (hemispheres):

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His existence shows that a human can live without spirits, the only thing really needed in the brain is the Corpus Callosum, which is the core and an organic CPU.

He has real silence in his brain and do not hear other thoughts from the spirits.

There are many diseases of the brain that show that the "I" is not real and can be easily damaged.

But in the core it is about something else, namely about the overcoming of the material dogma. In the matter of identity, this starts with recognizing that the person only takes place in the form of thoughts, but that one is also "there" when no thoughts appear.

This knowledge about the fact that one exists is non-cognitive, thus comes without the mind. However, this identity cannot be known directly in the normal case, because it is always veiled by the "I" or by the I-perspective.

To leave the perceptual disturbance of the "I" and to come into reality is what the religions are about.

I have the suspicion that there are persons without "I", who are completely contolled by their spirits.
For technical reasons I think the Corpus Callosum can work as core and as bridge (like the scientists think who say it's only a data-highway).

That means we have two completely different persons on Earth, those who have an "I", where the Corpus Callosum works as core, and those without an "I", where the Corpus Callosum works only as bridge. And if there is nobody they are always possesed from one up to four spirits (depends on which spirit is strongest).

It could be that ~90 % of Earths population is completely spirit driven, and only ~10 % have a real consciousness.

And we will never know that.

Of course, this is exciting within the personal story of the person.

In reality, however, it does not matter because the world is spirit, not matter.

You don't have consciousness. Consciousness has you. Everything that makes up the person's fragmentary components - thoughts, feelings, sensory experience, bodily sensation, etc. - appears in consciousness.

This means that consciousness is all that is. You will not find anything outside of consciousness. Everything that you think is the material world is always only a temporary form of consciousness.

You have nothing to do with the person you think you are.

However, on a higher level of knowledge it then becomes clear that substance and form of consciousness are indistinguishable, i.e. one.

Exactly this correction of the line of sight is the point. The person appears in consciousness. Not vice versa! But the ego produces an opposite perception and pushes itself into the center of all experience.

YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT TO

YOU HAVE THE FATHER IN HEAVEN TO THANK FOR THAT

ONCE SATAN GETS A HOLD OF YOU

YOU WILL BE THROWN IN JAIL OR KILLED FOR TALKING LIKE THAT

Hey Boatey, you had a good threat. Too bad a screaming idiot shat all aover it.

NOT TO WORRY

YOU HAVE NO PROOF

JUST A LOT OF TALK

WHICH WILL DO NOTHING FOR YOU

Be careful, this is the way into Solipsism.

Solipsism is not only a philosophical construct, it's a valid physical view of the world. Anything is only sensoric input, nothing exists real.

Am I the only one? Am I the "Solip"? The only consciousness which really exists and is hallucinating eveything, the Universe, planets, people?

How can you proof me you really exist and are not my imagination? How can I proof you I'm real and not your imagination?

Such thoughts are leading you directly into the Truman Show and into madness. Better stay away from your consciousness-is-only-illusion thing. Your ego is all you have, defend it at any costs.

"I think, so I am."

I don't hear you. What did you say?

We're gonna need some bigger letters to hear him.

THOSE WHO CAN HEAR

HEAR

AND

THOSE WHO CAN'T

WON'T

This is why they push alcohol which is a poison that lowers the auras defense systems, allowing entities in or to attach to someone. Ever notice a person get drunk & act completely unlike they usually do?


That's why they call them spirits


When I was little, a dark cloak thing swooped at me & tried to get inside, scared the hell out of me

STILL TALKING

STILL COMPLAINING

DOESN'T IT GET OLD AFTER WHILE

No one will ever take you seriously, until you stop screaming. That's just the way it is. Eat it, or don't.

Op did you think of this yourself or.......


Was it just your inner monologue?



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Funny boatymcboatface is posting, because yesterday i saw this boat in Amsterdam actually called boatymcboatface wtf? No tomato's though...

The accusation of solipsism is heard again and again.

On the one hand, most can't explain where the problem would be if it were actually solipsism, and on the other hand, of course, it's not.

Why not, is quickly explained, because in solipsism it is about the fact that only you exist. But here it is about the opposite. That you do not exist.

"I think, therefore I am", is the biggest mistake of the Enlightenment in philosophy at all, because YOU ARE obviously above all, if you do not think.

This fear of clinging to the ego and fear of being annihilated are all normal states within the discussion we have. But recognizing yourself as consciousness is the exact opposite of self-dissolution.

Consciousness is also not an illusion, but the temporary contents are, namely the person who appears. Consciousness is the only thing that is real. It is life itself and what is called energy in physics.

So there is a whole series of misunderstandings with you, with what I have explained.

Reality is very simple to understand, as you may have noticed, it is mainly your materialistic beliefs that are standing in your way. This includes e.g. also regularly to believe consciousness is a product of the brain.

'me-ism'...i am my dopey self absorbed thoughts - these folks are insane and dangerous.

That would mean the outer world does not exist.
You could say only consciousnesses of us do exist (to avoid solipsism), but it does not convience me if you say the Universe does not exist. Do you think we are souls in an empty universe without space?

On the other side there is this old question from quantum mechanics: "Does the moon exist if no one is looking?"

We actually agree with each other on many of your points. I'm just making fun of the all caps. If you have God, you wouldn't be offended at some minor ribbing.

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15 years of journey. I realized the other day it was a combination of things: 1.) a thought that entered my mind that said "you're gonna get fired!". I believed it, and sure enough, I was fired 2 weeks later. 2.) I watched the move Revolver that year. 3.) I remembered 2 Corinthians 10:5. From that point forward I started doubting thoughts.. literally arguing with them in my mind. About 5 years ago, I realized that I had near perfect peace. I still have some vices to overcome, then I will have 100% perfect peace.

There is no separation of inside and outside. Also space and time are concepts of the mind. Reality is absolute. Distinctions like you make them, take place exclusively in your dualistic thinking. That is the quality and configuration of the mind.

You are the universe. The whole sea in one drop. However, what appears is only a temporary form and not the substance. That what appears as universe is the sand castle as form. You are the sand.

That is the really fantastic thing about what appears. It is everything and nothing at the same time.

Quantum physicists like Heisenberg recognized this already one hundred years ago. But you can check this directly with yourself, in your own awareness.

By the way, soul describes exactly the border between absolute reality and that what appears as apparently limited content, but which remains absolute in every moment.

you dont say?

I HAVE WRITTEN IN LOWER CASE

SAME RESULT

SOME COMPLAINT ABOUT NOTHING

INSTEAD OF A DISCUSSION OF THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN



SEE

YOU CAN'T DO THAT

THE SUBJECT MATTER IS OVER YOUR HEAD

ALL YOU CAN DO IS FOCUS ON THE TREE INSTEAD OF THE FOREST AKA THE WHOLE PICTURE

AND THAT IS HOW YOU WILL DIE

WORRIED ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE THINKING AT THE MOMENT

INSTEAD OF THINKING ABOUT WHO IS ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

AND HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN

AND THE REALIZATION YOU ARE IMPERFECT

AND CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

NO PROBLEM HERE


I WAS HOPING FOR A DEEPER CONVERSATION

I know. He thought there is only one consciousness in the universe and we all are only facets of this one consciousness.

Wasn't he a true solipsist?

Sorry, I like some esoteric but I will never deny my "I".
Does god really want me o give it up? This great gift?

I think not. I think he likes it to have independent "I"s.

Your I does not want to deny your I. The ego is like that. It does not want to die.

But this is all expressly written in the Bible that the one will lose his life who wants to preserve it. Matthew 16:25

If you want to know God, then there is no way around to return your ego and your merely felt free will to God.

With people who are on your level of knowledge, what I have said often sounds nihilistic, solipsistic or hostile to life, as if you want to erase everything. But the opposite is the case.

I just don't feel like writing in Bible verses and therefore explain everything in my own words.

As I said, the Bible is about exactly what I have explained, namely to recognize one's true identity in the spirit.

At least you got from me now an idea in which direction it could go and that your identification with the "I" prevents the knowing of the reality and of your true identity in oneness with God.