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The Art of making Colloidal Silver / Silver Ions / Electrically Isolated Silver - How to Measure Ionic Strength - Boost your Immune system

 
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There are no commercial links on the site in my tagline. The site is meant to further the use and understanding of silver as medicine.

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I am an Electrical Engineer and I am designing a CS Generator.

What features would you want in a CS Generator.

Here is your chance to make your ideas reality..

DM me if you want to talk.
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I have started this thread to rationalize the wildly varying information about making colloidal silver. The earliest experimenters used silver coins and 3 9 V batteries. This method, though wonderfully simple, has some problems that we will detail here. The worst thing was that many people added salt to the distilled water to speed up the process. That was the method favored by the "blue man."
I was fortunate as a little kid to have an uncle willing to spend time answering my endless questions. Uncle Bill was a science writer working for the National Institute of Health, and his job was to take the work of scientists and explain it so that it was intelligible to the nonscientist. A little over 15 years ago, when I retired as an electronics design engineer, I visited Uncle Bill in Florida. He was in his 80s but still in good shape and sharp as a tack. I had come across colloidal silver to fix my sinus problems and had become a believer. Not trusting anyone to make it for me, I had, as a hobby, spent a lot of time researching and experimenting with ways to make a potent and stable product. I had designed and arranged to have made a line of laser pointers of high quality. I used to do a lot of lecturing and was annoyed that I could not find a reliable, high-quality laser pointer. I had already begun selling these on eBay with some success. I had almost accidentally discovered that my laser pointers could be a valuable aid in the manufacturing process of colloidal silver.
When I met with uncle Bill, he asked me what I was up to and my plans for my so-called "retirement." I told him about the laser pointers, gave him a couple of them, and then told him about my colloidal silver experience. I intended to set up a small factory and start manufacturing, bottling, and selling it. He replied, "Arnold, I never thought of you as a "snake oil salesman."
I was quite taken aback. This comment was from a man who, throughout my life, had done nothing but encourage me in everything I had attempted. He would never say anything to me in a mean way. He said what he said with the best of intentions. It was time to think things through. I had spent my entire working life, from my teens to the time of my retirement, in electronics. As a technician, field engineer, and design engineer, and finally did original design work in complex systems. Upon reflection, I never had to sell anything. The Air Force told me what they wanted me to do. When I was with NASA, it was obvious what we needed to do, and we just did it. As a consultant to large corporations, it was just a matter of the phone ringing and someone asking for help and organizing my schedule. No one questioned my work or my expertise.
So now I'm going to go out and sell something? Colloidal silver? It helped me a great deal with my sinuses. It quickly healed any infection or burn. Made properly, it could do no harm. Yes, I knew this and that it was true for me. Was I prepared to tell others it will cure something they believe ails them? No, of course not. What are the other people selling colloidal silver telling people? That's the problem. I would inevitably be tarred with the same brush. Am I willing to take this? Is my skin thick enough? Do I feel an irresistible urge to save the world by sprinkling colloidal silver over it? Do I need the money? The answer was no. I decided to go ahead and have the 9999+ wire made. Since I had to buy 2000 ounces to do the deal, I started offering it to people like myself who worried about purity. My offerings of very simple generator kits came about due to so many customers of the silver wire asking for advice on how to use it.
I believe we have covered everything that the do-it-yourselfer will find helpful in setting up to make their colloidal silver. Some areas of refinement will result in a more effective and stable product. Still, these methods are not practical for someone who wishes to use a voltage source, a current limiting device (resistor), and pure silver in pure water. An example of this would be the act of reversing the polarity of the electrodes periodically. That not only evens the wear but also eliminates the hard-to-remove silver oxide build-up on the cathode. It preserves a smooth finish on the electrodes and reduces wastage. The electrodes also become very easy to clean, requiring only a quick wipe with a paper towel instead of a plastic scrub pad. I incorporated a double pole double throw switch in my larger generators to accomplish this, but it's too much to ask people to use. As a result, most users flip the switch from one batch to another, even the wear factor.
Any further efforts to improve the process would involve developing an "expert system" incorporated into an automatic colloidal silver generator. The so-called "automatic" generators on the market are cut off with a timer or a particular voltage level at the electrodes. There are now many people offering "automatic" Colloidal Silver Generators. I find amusing their habit of creating their own "forums" in which their products are favorably reviewed and others' products canned. Why don't they come here and tell us how their electrons have more energy, their ions can jump higher, and their particles are smaller than anyone else's?
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14ga .999 silver wire 1.5" apart is the method I saw. Lower amps produce the smallest silver particles so an hour might be enough for 8oz product. Old printer power adapters are 30VDC
Higher silver levels are still good for external use, like washing fruit.
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[link to theartofmakingcolloidalsilver.com (secure)]
What is it that I do?
I provide people with the means to produce high quality colloidal silver. Why do they want to make it themselves?. To save money? To ensure quality.
Experimenters
When you visit the site go to the menu item "forum". You will find a copy of nine years of discussing making colloidal silver. It is the only source of information on this subject that is without prejudice or biased. Over 1000 posts by people who were actively engaged. That thread was termed a " treasure chest" by the members. Sadly, it is no more. The plug has been pulled. The good news is that I have been able to capture images of all 1000 posts on the thread. They are available for viewing at:
[link to theartofmakingcolloidalsilver.com (secure)]
Welcome to the community of silver searchers.

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The thread’s purpose was, and remains, an effort to provide accurate, honest, and non-commercial information to those interested in making the most effective form of colloidal Silver.
The biggest problem with colloidal Silver is its name. If we call something colloidal, it merely means that it is held in suspension. For example, milk is colloidal butterfat. As it is homogenized, the fat particles will tend to stay in suspension because the particles have been agitated to the point where they are small enough to not combine and rise to the top.
Now, what does this have to do with making colloidal Silver? It’s not hard to understand why we want the smallest possible particles of Silver. Let’s face it. We don’t want any more metal of any kind in our body other than what we need to stay well or heal a wound or infection. For a given total weight of the metal, small particles will result in a much greater surface area than large particles. For Silver to affect the microbe, it has to come into contact with that microbe. For the sake of simplicity, let’s consider our particles as spheres. If our particle is 100 nm in diameter, it will weigh the same as about 10,000 1 nm particles. What would have a better chance of getting to the bacteria we want to kill? 10,000 or one?
“Colloidal silver” is sold with ratings of parts per million “PPM.” That is the ratio of the water’s weight versus the Silver contained and suspended in the water. This measurement is made by the method of atomic absorption spectrophotometer. A sample is burned, and the light emitted includes spectral lines for Silver, the amplitude of which gives an indication of the parts per million, by weight. There is nothing in this method to distinguish between ions, “charged” particles, and uncharged.
It is easy for an unscrupulous colloidal Silver manufacturer to make and advertise “colloidal silver” with strengths of 20, 30, 50, or 500 PPM. All they have to do is generate large particles and coat them with a substance lighter than water to stay in suspension. These solutions will have a color as the larger particles will block out portions of the ambient light, trying to shine through the water. The larger the particles, the more color, beginning with light yellow. There is real evidence to suggest that these solutions will do you harm, leading to a condition called argyria.
As you read through the thread, you will find numerous citations of serious, peer-reviewed studies illustrating silver ions’ superiority in killing bacteria to silver particles. The number of silver ions is measured in terms of electrical conductivity. When this thread started, the only instruments with the ability to measure this were quite expensive. The price of these has come down to a remarkable degree. A device capable of measuring ionic PPM within one or two ppm is now available on eBay for less than $10. If you’re going to make colloidal silver “ionic,” one of these should be the first thing you purchase. The second thing is to make sure that you get genuine 9999 pure silver wire with a certificate of analysis from a reputable source. Other than that, all you need is a voltage source and a resistor to limit the current. A multimeter with the 2 V scale and an additional 1K resistor will allow you to measure your current in microamps. That is all you need to make perfect, clear colloidal Silver. With a certain amount of experimentation, you will be able to make your colloidal Silver of a quality equal to commercial manufacturers’ offerings.
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It would be nice if I could afford the costs of reaching a broad audience concerned about their health. Except for social media, eyeballs cost money, lots of money. This fact enables the pharmaceutical industry to suppress information allowing individuals to care for themselves. Whatever ails you, real or imagined, BigPharma will have something to fix it for a price.
Colloidal silver has some extraordinary capabilities and hundreds of legitimate uses. But without standardization, quality control, and extensive medical testing, the public will never know how best to use colloidal silver in a given situation. FDA may yet try to restrict public access to colloidal silver, claiming it is unsafe, even though they know how "safe and effective" it CAN BE when appropriately used. In the absence of the release of this authoritative testing data, the public is left just experimenting and groping for the answers. A big fight over the public's access to colloidal silver may be looming because this country's healthcare cost is out of control, and the public is looking for inexpensive solutions that work. In that sense, colloidal silver could be "just what the doctor ordered."
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It's been a little over 5 months since I brewed up some 50+ppm silver at home. I have not had a single sinus infection since that time. I use a nasal mister a few times a day.

I've had chronic sinus problems for over 20+ years and this has stopped it in its tracks. It also caused the Trigerminal Neuralga to stay flared up constantly. I have reduced episodes by 80-90%.


It has been a game-changer for me. I'm able to work without pain and life has become close to normal.

Many thanks Abeland1

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link to the "Ultra Generator" under "the process" tab is broken.

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1. “You can’t fire a cannon, from a canoe!”
2. “Strength is gained in the range it is trained.”
3. “If it doesn’t swim, run, or fly, or isn’t green and grow in the ground, don’t eat it.”
4. “Know that you have complete control over what you put in your mouth. No one ever ate anything by accident.”
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Thank you very much. I must've have left it in draft mode accidentally. I am at an age when such things will occur. Once again my thanks.
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It's been a little over 5 months since I brewed up some 50+ppm silver at home. I have not had a single sinus infection since that time. I use a nasal mister a few times a day.

I've had chronic sinus problems for over 20+ years and this has stopped it in its tracks. It also caused the Trigerminal Neuralga to stay flared up constantly. I have reduced episodes by 80-90%.


It has been a game-changer for me. I'm able to work without pain and life has become close to normal.

Many thanks Abeland1
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You are very welcome, my friend. Your situation with your sinuses is precisely where I found myself some 30 years ago. Even the five PPM available at that time enabled me to be functional. You say you are using a mister. At five PPM, I needed to ensure I was completely flooding my sinus cavities. A mister would not have accomplished that. You may have illustrated the need for 50 PPM, which only the Ultra produces.
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Thank you very much. I must've have left it in draft mode accidentally. I am at an age when such things will occur. Once again my thanks.
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You are welcome Mr. Beland.
I am interested in the Ultra. Why is the half gallon $126 more than the one and half pint?
I understand the wire is $32 more and a Half gallon jar is $10. What's the extra $84 for?
Is the unit the same for both sizes?
Regards

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2. “Strength is gained in the range it is trained.”
3. “If it doesn’t swim, run, or fly, or isn’t green and grow in the ground, don’t eat it.”
4. “Know that you have complete control over what you put in your mouth. No one ever ate anything by accident.”
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colloidal silver doesnt do anything. Its fucking pointless and for the gullible
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Thank you very much. I must've have left it in draft mode accidentally. I am at an age when such things will occur. Once again my thanks.
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You are welcome Mr. Beland.
I am interested in the Ultra. Why is the half gallon $126 more than the one and half pint?
I understand the wire is $32 more and a Half gallon jar is $10. What's the extra $84 for?
Is the unit the same for both sizes?
Regards,
Jon
 Quoting: Florida Man

That is a fair question, and in the spirit of the thread title, "the art of making colloidal silver," it deserves an answer. If you visit the link titled " the forum," you will find a progression of our efforts to the point where we could get to 10 to 15 PPM of perhaps 80% ionic reliably. Periodic polarity reversals helped, but anything over 20 PPM could not be relied upon to stay at that level over a reasonable storage time and had to be used immediately. The one exception to this was the sovereign silver AG 23 product sold only to medical doctors.
An additional problem that we could not resolve was that no two batches would turn out the same. The consensus was that differences in the distilled water caused this.
Then there was the firm belief of the chemical fraternity that water could not hold more than 25 PPM of ionic silver in the solution. Some still need help with this.
Here is a picture taken when I first broke through the 25 PPM barrier. I was surprised and delighted to find this was possible. I decided to make this a product for general use by the public. The 1/2 gallon Mason jar was selected. For the next year, I spent every available hour on the project's analog and digital aspects. I did note the time spent, as I would have as an electronics design engineer, my profession before retirement.
https://imgur.com/a/kA9R0nt

When the half-gallon Ultra was ready to ship, we totaled all the costs, including labor. We added a percentage for profit, which anyone who has ever been in business will tell you is necessary if you want to stay in business. The result is the price of the ultra half-gallon as it stands.
After the half-gallon had been available for a year, we decided to take note of the number of people who had asked for a smaller unit. They felt they would use less colloidal silver because of the higher PPM value.
The development costs for the smaller unit were much less because the circuit board and algorithms remained the same as for the half-gallon unit. We only had to go through the recording of the data points of the process and testing. It was done in only four months.
I hope this answers the question factually, if not in an existential manner.

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Have we found the true cause of diabetes, stroke and Alzheimer’s?
Does this one microbe cause heart disease, stroke, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, Parkinson’s, pre-term birth, pancreatic cancer, and kidney disease… and does that mean we can beat them?
For decades, health experts have been lecturing us about our bad habits, blaming them for the surge in “lifestyle diseases”. These often come on as we age and include heart disease, Alzheimer’s, type 2 diabetes and some cancers. Worldwide, 70 per cent of all deaths are now attributed to these conditions. In the U.K., it is a whopping 90 per cent.

Too much red meat, too little fruit and veg, smoking, drinking, obesity and not enough exercise appear to make all these diseases more likely – and having any of them makes getting the others more likely. But no one really knows why, and we still haven’t worked out what causes any of them. Alzheimer’s is now one of the U.K.’s biggest killers, yet the main hypothesis for how it originates imploded this year after drugs based on it repeatedly failed. High blood cholesterol is blamed for heart attacks, except most people who have heart attacks don’t have it.

What we do know is that these conditions usually start causing symptoms later in life, and their prevalence is skyrocketing as we live longer. They all turn inflammation, the method our immune system uses to kill invaders, against us. And, by definition, these diseases aren’t communicable. They are down to bad habits and unlucky genes, not germs. Right?

Not necessarily. In disease after disease, we are finding that bacteria are covertly involved, invading organs, co-opting our immune systems to boost their own survival and slowly making bits of us break down. The implication is that we may eventually be able to defeat heart attacks or Alzheimer’s just by stopping these microbes.

Until now, bacteria’s involvement completely eluded us. That’s because they tend to work very slowly, stay dormant for long periods or hide inside cells. That makes them difficult to grow in culture, once the gold standard for linking bacteria to disease. But now D.N.A. sequencing has revealed bacteria in places they were never supposed to be, manipulating inflammation in just the ways observed in these diseases.

The findings are so contrary to received wisdom and emerging in so many diseases, each with its own separate research community, that awareness of all this is only starting to hit the mainstream (See “Germ theory“). And predictably, as with any paradigm shift, there is resistance.

But some researchers, frustrated by years of failure to find causes, and therefore real treatments, for the diseases of ageing, are cautiously excited. And with reason: this could change everything.

The worst culprits, which seem to play a role in the widest range of ailments, are the bacteria that cause gum disease. This is the most widespread disease of ageing – in fact, “the most prevalent disease of mankind”, says Maurizio Tonettiat the University of Hong Kong. In the U.S., 42 per cent of those aged 30 or above have gum disease, but that rises to 60 percent in those 65 and older. It has been measured at 88 percent in Germany.

Strikingly, many of the afflictions of ageing – from rheumatoid arthritis to Parkinson’s – aremore likely, more severe, or both, in people with gum disease. It is possible that some third thing goes wrong, leading to both gum disease and the other maladies. But there is increasing evidence that the relationship is direct: the bacteria behind gum disease help cause the others.

Circumstantial evidence is certainly damning. In the U.S., states that put federal Medicaid funds towards people’s dental costs, including those related to preventing or treating gum disease, ultimately pay between 31 and 67 per cent less than states that don’t, to help those people later with heart attacks, diabetes, strokes and cancer. Private insurance companies report similar patterns, says David Ojcius at the University of the Pacific in San Francisco.

But how can the bacteria that cause gum disease play a role in all these conditions? To answer that, we have to look at how they turn the immune system against us.

Your mouth hosts more than 1000 species of bacteria, in a stable community where potential bad actors are kept in check by peaceful bacteria around them. Elsewhere in the body, including on the skin or the lining of the gut, communities of bacteria live on a continuous sheet of cells, where the outermost layer is constantly shed, getting rid of invasive bacteria. But your teeth can’t cast off a layer like that, says Tonetti. There, the bacteria live on a hard surface, which pierces through the protective outer sheet of cells.

When the plaque the bacteria on your teeth live in builds up enough to harden and spread under the gum, it triggers inflammation: immune cells flood in and destroy both microbes and our own infected cells (see Diagram). If this goes on too long, an oxygen-poor pocket develops between gum and tooth. A handful of bacteria take advantage of this and multiply. One of them, Porphyromonas gingivalis, is especially insidious, disrupting the stable bacterial community and prolonging inflammation.
 Quoting: abeland1

There are a number of studies that have shown that silver ions are an effective treatment for periodontal disease. For example, a study published in the Journal of Clinical Periodontology in 2011 found that silver ions were as effective as chlorhexidine mouthwash in reducing the levels of Porphyromonas gingivalis, a major bacteria involved in periodontal disease. Another study, published in the Journal of the American Dental Association in 2012, found that silver ions were more effective than placebo in reducing the levels of P. gingivalis and gingival inflammation.

Silver ions work by killing bacteria through a process called oxidative stress. When silver ions come into contact with bacteria, they release free radicals that damage the bacteria's cell membranes. This damage eventually kills the bacteria.
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Thank you very much. I must've have left it in draft mode accidentally. I am at an age when such things will occur. Once again my thanks.
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You are welcome Mr. Beland.
I am interested in the Ultra. Why is the half gallon $126 more than the one and half pint?
I understand the wire is $32 more and a Half gallon jar is $10. What's the extra $84 for?
Is the unit the same for both sizes?
Regards,
Jon
 Quoting: Florida Man

That is a fair question, and in the spirit of the thread title, "the art of making colloidal silver," it deserves an answer. If you visit the link titled " the forum," you will find a progression of our efforts to the point where we could get to 10 to 15 PPM of perhaps 80% ionic reliably. Periodic polarity reversals helped, but anything over 20 PPM could not be relied upon to stay at that level over a reasonable storage time and had to be used immediately. The one exception to this was the sovereign silver AG 23 product sold only to medical doctors.
An additional problem that we could not resolve was that no two batches would turn out the same. The consensus was that differences in the distilled water caused this.
Then there was the firm belief of the chemical fraternity that water could not hold more than 25 PPM of ionic silver in the solution. Some still need help with this.
Here is a picture taken when I first broke through the 25 PPM barrier. I was surprised and delighted to find this was possible. I decided to make this a product for general use by the public. The 1/2 gallon Mason jar was selected. For the next year, I spent every available hour on the project's analog and digital aspects. I did note the time spent, as I would have as an electronics design engineer, my profession before retirement.
https://imgur.com/a/kA9R0nt

When the half-gallon Ultra was ready to ship, we totaled all the costs, including labor. We added a percentage for profit, which anyone who has ever been in business will tell you is necessary if you want to stay in business. The result is the price of the ultra half-gallon as it stands.
After the half-gallon had been available for a year, we decided to take note of the number of people who had asked for a smaller unit. They felt they would use less colloidal silver because of the higher PPM value.
The development costs for the smaller unit were much less because the circuit board and algorithms remained the same as for the half-gallon unit. We only had to go through the recording of the data points of the process and testing. It was done in only four months.
I hope this answers the question factually, if not in an existential manner.
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Hello there Florida Man,
I've been pondering the implications of your observation on the the disparity in pricing between the 1 1/2 pint and 1/2 gallon ultra generators. I have a question for you, if I discounted the price of the half gallon by $75.00, would you order it?
Best regards,
Arnold Beland
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Porphyromonas gingivalis (P. gingivalis) is a Gram-negative, anaerobic, rod-shaped bacterium that is a major cause of periodontal disease. It is a member of the normal oral flora, but it can become pathogenic when it overgrows. P. gingivalis produces a variety of virulence factors that contribute to its pathogenicity, including lipopolysaccharide (LPS), fimbriae, and toxins.
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Figure 3. Biologically plausible mechanisms linking periodontitis to systemic inflammation and disease
In periodontitis, locally produced pro-inflammatory cytokines can enter the systemic circulation and induce an acute-phase response in the liver — which is characterized by increased levels of C reactive protein, fibrinogen and serum amyloid A — in turn contributing to atherosclerosis or exacerbating intra-uterine inflammation. Moreover, gingival ulceration in periodontal pockets enables the egress and systemic dissemination of periodontal bacteria. Certain bacteria including Porphyromonas gingivalis have been detected in circulating leukocytes and in atherosclerotic lesions, where they may act as pro- atherogenic stimuli. Other periodontal bacteria such as Fusobacterium nucleatum have been detected in the placenta where they can cause adverse pregnancy outcomes. Large quantities of oral bacteria are constantly swallowed on a daily basis via the saliva into the gut. In this context, an alternative, or additional, mechanism linking periodontitis to systemic inflammation was recently proposed: Swallowed P. gingivalis causes alterations to the gut microbiota, thereby leading to increased gut epithelial permeability and endotoxemia, which causes systemic inflammation. Although independent, the depicted events are not mutually exclusive but could in principle occur simultaneously. CRP, C-reactive protein; IL, interleukin; TNF, tumor necrosis factor.
Studies have shown that silver ions can be an effective treatment for periodontal disease. In one study, silver ions were found to be as effective as chlorhexidine mouthwash in reducing the levels of P. gingivalis in the mouth. In another study, silver ions were found to be more effective than placebo in reducing the levels of P. gingivalis and gingival inflammation.
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Here are some examples of how microbes other than the human gut microbiota can contribute to inflammation:

Bacterial infections. When bacteria enter the body, they can cause an inflammatory response. This is because the body's immune system mounts a defense against the bacteria, which can lead to inflammation.
Viral infections. Viruses can also cause inflammation. This is because they can damage cells and tissues, which can lead to an inflammatory response.
Fungal infections. Fungi can also cause inflammation. This is because they can release toxins that can damage cells and tissues, which can lead to an inflammatory response.
Parasitic infections. Parasites can also cause inflammation. This is because they can damage cells and tissues, which can lead to an inflammatory response.
Allergens. Allergens are substances that can trigger an allergic reaction. Allergic reactions are characterized by inflammation.
Autoimmune diseases. Autoimmune diseases are diseases in which the body's immune system attacks its own tissues. This can lead to inflammation.
It is important to note that not all microbes cause inflammation. Some microbes, such as the beneficial bacteria that live in the gut, can actually help to reduce inflammation.
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I'm glad this keeps getting pinned.
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Quats (quaternary ammonium compounds) are potent disinfectant chemicals commonly found in disinfectant wipes, sprays, and other household cleaners designed to kill germs. It is often the stuff that allows a product to claim to be antibacterial, as they are certified by the EPA as pesticides.
If you make colloidal silver according to the directions detailed in this thread, you can use it as an effective surface disinfectant. It will not have to be removed after application.
So what’s the problem?
In most cases, quats are overkill for everyday household cleaning needs. Unless you plan on doing some open-heart surgery on your kitchen table, there is no need for quats to sterilize the surfaces in your house. We know from lab testing that quats effectively kill many kinds of microbes like E. Coli and Staph. Aureus.
I keep hearing that 10 PPM EIS is all anyone ever needs for anything and any more powerful and any higher ionic level is useless. That is what is being fed the public by the sellers of colloidal silver and even most of the colloidal silver generator manufacturers as well.. Here are the facts:
Laboratory Studies Conducted by The University Of North Texas
Product: EIS 15 PPM and 30 PPM
Isolated Colloidal Silver
Time-Kill Study Conducted by UNT
Mark A. Farinha, Ph.D. Professor of Microbiology
Microbes tested: Staphylococcus epidermidis, Staphylococcus aureus and Enterococcus faecalis
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Staphyloccus aureus ATCC12600
Two concentrations of isolated silver were used, one 15 PPM isolated colloidal silver and one 30 PPM isolated colloidal silver. The 30 PPM colloidal silver achieved results markedly faster, although both formulations achieved the desired results within four minutes:
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The in-vitro lab results conclusively demonstrate that a high quality isolated colloidal silver product is remarkably effective in concentrations of both 15 PPM and 30 PPM against Psuedomonas aeruginosa. A greater concentration demonstrated faster action, however, the results in the first four minutes dropped population counts to nearly non-existant levels with both formulations.
Salmonella typhimurium
Two concentrations of isolated silver were used, one 15 PPM isolated colloidal silver and one 30 PPM isolated colloidal silver. The 30 PPM colloidal silver achieved results markedly faster, although both formulations achieved the desired results within four minutes:
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The in-vitro lab results conclusively demonstrate that a high quality isolated colloidal silver product is remarkably effective in concentrations of both 15 PPM and 30 PPM against Salmonella typhimurium. A greater concentration demonstrated faster action, although the results in the first four minutes dropped population counts to nearly non-existant levels with both formulations.
Candida albicans
One 30 PPM isolated colloidal silver was used in this study.
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The in-vitro lab results conclusively demonstrate that a high quality isolated colloidal silver product is remarkably effective in concentrations of both 15 PPM and 30 PPM against Salmonella typhimurium. A greater concentration demonstrated faster action, although the results in the first four minutes dropped population counts to nearly non-existant levels with both formulations.
So there’s no advantage to quats…but there are several downsides
In addition to harming germs, quats are lung irritants and can contribute to asthma and other breathing problems. They irritate skin too – and can lead to rashes. (This is one reason why packages of antibacterial wipes strongly recommend washing your hands after use. A factor that really takes the convenience out of using a wipe in the first place!)
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I am an Electrical Engineer and I am designing a CS Generator.

What features would you want in a CS Generator.

Here is your chance to make your ideas reality..

DM me if you want to talk.
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No one has replied to this on the thread, but it was an exciting post and deserved some thought exploration. What does a person want in the way of a colloidal silver generator? Before we answer that, we have to examine how that person got to the point where they wanted to make colloidal silver. No one starts their colloidal silver Journey by deciding they like to make this stuff. Colloidal silver itself had to be needed. The person had to be suffering from some ailment or irritation. They had to be at the point where they were willing to try using something besides what was prescribed by the medical establishment. The medical establishment would have to have failed them. In my case, and the case of many others, it was repeated sinus infections that had failed to be corrected by allopathic medicine. I had gone the whole route of ear nose and throat specialist, ear nose and throat surgery, and allergists. And nothing prevented recurring sinusitis. I tried colloidal silver in desperation. Like most people, I looked askance at alternative medicine as being in the domain of snake oil salespeople and people with a belief system that rendered them susceptible to those salesmen. I finally bought a bottle of colloidal silver for $80 for 8 oz and proceeded to flood my sinus cavities with it. It brought me Immediate relief and has continued to do so. Nothing else had worked. I became a believer. Now, I'm the sort of person who just doesn't know when to quit. I have a big enough ego not fully to understand my intellectual limits. I don't know when to stop. I decided to research The subject thoroughly. Most of the literature available on the issue was in chemistry. My knowledge of chemistry needs to be improved. That proved to be an advantage. The chemical fraternity had in the past believed in certain limits regarding the degree of proportions of silver in a solution of water. It was common knowledge that 25 parts per million was the solubility limit for silver in pure water. It was necessary to coat the silver particles with a substance with positive buoyancy, i.e., a tendency to float to keep the silver particles in the solution above the 25 PPM density. That was done with various techniques, but the positive charge was removed from the particles that are ions. Unfortunately, the silver only became effective once the coating was digested. The silver particle met with oxygen atoms, combining with oxygen atoms, making silver oxide. In this process, silver ions are produced, which kill the microbes and cause health problems. Lacking competence in the chemical Realm, I investigated the process of making colloidal silver electronically. The final Authority in the electrolysis process is a historical figure, Michael Faraday. He wrote the rules of electrolysis. I began researching the process in depth. That had never been done as the chemists ruled the area and were accepted as authorities because the medical community was much more comfortable with chemistry than electricity. Chemists and electronics people should talk to each other more. That is changing because of increasing work on battery Technology, but there is still a way to go.
I had a resource in this journey that was of great use. It was still the early days of the internet, but valuable work was being done on user groups using net groups. The one that I was on was scientific alt scientific electrical engineering design. I started A conversation about colloidal silver. At this time, the subject was immediately trashed by the blue man. This stuff would turn you blue if you were stupid enough to use it. Of course, what they were talking about was silver nitrate. That is what people were calling colloidal silver. Well, okay, it is silver, and it is colloidal. It's silver and in solution, so it's colloidal silver. That's the problem.
There's a lot of stuff that manufacturers can call colloidal silver. That's why we should change the name of what we will try to make. We want to create the silver ion effectively without any substance other than water. We can tell whether or not it's the smallest particle we want By the simple fact that it will be clear. Particles larger than 20 NM will start to interfere with the blue part of the spectrum, making the solution yellow or amber. Some still think it's colloidal silver only if it is Amber because that's all they know how to make. It so happens that the exact opposite is true. It's easy to understand that for a given volume of water, there would be proportionately more particles of a smaller radius than a larger radius. Is this not just common sense? Is it also common sense that tells us that the more particles, the better the chance they have of contacting a microbe that we want to kill? I'm not going to belabor this point. It should be obvious and will be again if you have come this far. To illustrate this, I have gone into much greater detail on the "the art of making the colloidal silver" website. So, we come to a flat statement: when you look at colloidal silver, the fact that it is clear means more and smaller particles. Any color indicates that the particles have combined, resulting in far fewer particles and a less effective solution. Now, how do we achieve this as far as the making of it is concerned? We need some way to stop this Runaway phenomenon. Better yet, prevent it from starting to begin with. How do we do this? We limit the amount of current. How do we do this?
We use what's called a resistor. A resistor restricts the flow of current. It works much the same way as a faucet valve for water flow. There is a Formula called Ohm's law. It states that for a given difference of potential in volts, the current will equal the number of volts divided by the number of ohms. Let's say, for example, that we want to keep a very low current, one milliamp. Let's say we have a 30-volt power supply. What resistor value do we need to achieve this 30 /30,000 or in the way we call resistors 30k?
To begin the process, if we use pure distilled water, which we must, it won't be one milliamp. Pure distilled water has a relatively High Resistance and low conductivity. In the beginning, the current will be much lower than one milliamp and will only gradually increase. That is because if the water is distilled. It will have a relatively High Resistance and low conductivity. That adds to the total resistance in the circuit, so if the water has a resistance of 30,000 and the resistor is 30k, it will have a total of 60k. Therefore, with a current of only one-half of 1 milliamp 500 microamps, you can watch the current gradually increase over time if a millimeter is inserted in a series in the circuit. That is good to do, and it is why, in our starter kit, we included a multimeter to enable you to do just this and watch the progress. The resistance of the water can be varied by moving the silver closer together. That will decrease the resistance. With a certain amount of experimentation for your particular setup, your pieces of silver in your container, you will devise a method for a consistent result. You will be able to produce 10 PPM colloidal silver clear repeatedly. That is as good or better as you can buy anywhere at any shop or by mail. You will be satisfied knowing you have a valuable resource for your health. You don't have to believe that anyone has made it correctly.

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So now, let's talk about what you do not want in a colloidal silver generator. The first thing that comes to mind is a fish tank bubbler. This technique came along and was promoted by a guy on the internet who claimed to be a "retired oncologist" but was revealed to be a complete phony and ended up doing jail time. In a previous post, I explained the reason we had to set a limit to the amount of current and, therefore, the rate and size of particles that we took from the anode. That is because there's only so much space to accommodate the particles as they leave the anode surface. If we don't allow enough, they collide and get larger, and we want small ones. This retired oncologist needed to learn more about Electronics to realize he could do this with a resistor. So he came up with the idea of introducing a stream of bubbles, air bubbles, to constantly interrupt the current flow between the anode and cathode. That did prevent the quote runaway and the quote condition that we mentioned. When people were using the 3 9 volt batteries method, they would keep looking at the process and wait until they saw the cloud appear. At this point, they were supposed to stop the process.
Leaving it any longer than this would result in massive particles, large enough to cause some cases of argyria. Now we have to acknowledge that this method did produce colloidal silver. It was Less than 5 PPM and with larger particles than we desired, but still colloidal silver. Silver is such an effective disinfectant antimicrobial that even produced in this crude manner, it undoubtedly saved many lives and relieved people with problems like sinusitis. Colloidal silver Made with this method also needed to be used soon after making it as it was inherently unstable, and the particles would quickly agglomerate and fall to the bottom of the container. That always produced a yellow hue, but those recommending the method would insist that that Color was standard. The bubbler systems did provide an improvement over the three nine methods. Many thousands of colloidal silver generators have been sold that are simply a 39 system with the addition of a cheap aquarium bubbler. A lot of money was made. Some very well-designed websites sell these systems with an incredible number of true stories with pictures telling of the Miracles resulting from parting with $300 for $30 worth of parts. That's the story of free enterprise, but it's still better than the alternative.

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HOW DOES SILVER WORK?
In metallic (elemental) form, silver is unreactive and cannot kill bacteria. Silver atoms (denoted as Ag or Ag0) must lose an electron and become positively charged silver ions (Ag+) to become bactericidal. Elemental silver ionizes in the air but ionizes more readily when exposed to an aqueous environment such as wound exudate. In contrast, silver compounds contain positive silver ions bound to negatively charged ions or molecules. Some silver ions become detached from the compound when exposed to aqueous environments.
Silver ions are highly reactive and affect multiple sites within bacterial cells, ultimately causing bacterial cell death. They bind to bacterial cell membranes, disrupting the bacterial cell wall and cell leakage. Silver ions transported into the cell disrupt cell function by binding to proteins and interfering with energy production, enzyme function, and cell replication. Silver ions are active against many bacteria, fungi, and viruses, including many antibiotic-resistant bacteria, such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) and vancomycin-resistant Enterococci (VRE).
Studies of the effects of silver dressings on experimental models of biofilms have
suggested that silver may reduce bacterial adhesion, destabilize the biofilm matrix, kill bacteria within the matrix, and increase the susceptibility of bacteria to antibiotics.
Some laboratory studies have suggested that silver may have beneficial effects on wound healing besides the control of bioburden alone. For example, silver nitrate, nanocrystalline silver, and some silver-containing dressings have been found to have anti-inflammatory effects and encourage blood vessel formation (neovascularization).
Only a small proportion of silver presented to a wound site in a dressing is involved in
antimicrobial action. Most of the rest remains within the dressing or binds to proteins in the
wound or wound debris. Very little is systemically absorbed.
Even if absorbed systemically, silver is excreted mainly via the biliary route in feces. Some is excreted in the urine. Silver is not absorbed into the central or peripheral nervous systems.
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"Only a small proportion of silver presented to a wound site in a dressing is involved in antimicrobial action. Most of the rest remains within the dressing or binds to proteins in the
wound or wound debris. Very little is systemically absorbed."

The information in the post above applies to silver dressings or dressings containing silver. These are compounds formed into a cream or ointment. In the case of the silver ionic silver that we make on this thread, much of the information does not apply. With the presence of a significant number of silver ions and especially in the case of the 50 PPM ionic supplied by the ultra generators, the 50 PPM is readily absorbed by the skin. In the case of a wound or burn, I place a piece of quality toilet paper and pour or use an eyedropper to wet the toilet paper. The toilet paper will attach to the skin as the water component evaporates. More ionic silver can be applied to the tissue. That will ensure a constant supply of silver ions to the wound area and surrounding tissue—no waste, mess, or need to clean.
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Electrically generated silver ions at <2 //g ml”1 concentration were shown to exhibit more efficient fungicidal properties than silver compounds such as silver sulfadiazine and silver nitrate. The growth of all fungal organisms was inhibited by silver concentration between 0-5 and 4-7 /¿g ml”1, and the fungicidal concentration of silver was as low as 1-9 /¿g ml-1 (Berger et al. 1976a). AgNPs exhibited considerable antifungal activity against C. albicans and Trichophyton mentagrophytes, the cause of fungal infections of the hair, skin and nails. The antimicrobial activity of silver was found to be comparable to Amphotericin B, one of the most powerful prescription antifungal drugs and superior to the well-known antifungal drug fluconazole (Kim et al. 2008a).
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Many members of goldismoney2 had been making colloidal silver for years. They used various methods, and many had colloidal silver generators from multiple manufacturers.
Sadly, it is no more. The plug has been pulled. The good news is that I have been able to capture images of all 1000 posts on the thread. They are available for viewing at:
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Those who plan to be among " the last of us" will be interested in the link above. It points to an intelligent discussion that resolves disputes on " how to make it."
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