Ford is about to break out big EV losses for the first time

You might remember Fisker as the suave entrepreneur behind the failed Fisker Automotive hybrid venture that promised a new lease on life for the former GM Boxwood plant by way of a $40,000 hybrid.

Hundreds of millions of dollars in later (Delaware forked out $20 million or so financial package) Fisker crashed and burned after the feds pulled the plug on their loan. A loan to Tesla, also a part of the federal loan program, was paid off early.

Fisker’s first car, the Finland-assembled Karma, was beset by problems not in keeping with a vehicle with a six-figure price tag. Its shortcomings included fires, bad batteries and according to one report an embarrassing breakdown during a test by Consumer Reports.


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Why keep trying to make something that the consumers don't want? Where is Ford and the other companies going to be getting money to keep doing business? Is this from companies like Blackrock? Because the consumers are not supporting the EV industry, they're not supporting Hollywood, they're not supporting the media and they might not supporting most of the woke corporations.

But somebody is.

I'm not a climate change weenie but I'm glad I bought a plug in hybrid 7 years ago because when the climate change weenies were allowed to take over the white house and gas went to 5 dollars a gallon, it sure has helped with the cost of my daily commute. Same goes for the solar panels on the roof. On sunny days, there's more than enough daylight left when I get home from work to recharge my car's relatively small battery.

There's a "thing" on the way called V2G, "vehicle to grid", which borrows the energy from parked electric vehicles to supplement the power grid and replaces it (hopefully) before the next time the energy is needed. This, along with residential roof top solar could go a long way toward making the EV more than just the virtue signalling that it currently is.

I'm currently involved as an electrical engineer in a rail vehicle battery conversion (from diesel generator powered) project that I intend to eventually incorporate into the V2G program along with some rooftop solar at the maintenance facility. Some of this technology is worth pursuing, not from a climate change weenie perspective, but from an economic standpoint. It can save on energy costs and I don't know of anybody but the u.s. government who doesn't like to save money.

I bolded the main question for me.

the answer is control. We can buy and store gas or diesel much better than we can store electricity.

the kill switch is easier for electrics.


they want us in the Stone Age - may need to re-watch the Flintstones to get ready....

Green New Deal ->

Sorry to have to break it to you but the overwhelming majority of electricity IS produced from fossil fuels and will continue to be produced from fossil fuels. The entire industry is a massive scam.

New Green Deal?

Tired of paying 3 bucks a gallon for gas?

It makes no sense why somebody would spend 60K on a worthless EV.

It is me who is sorry…

For stumbling into an echo chamber…

I wish you well.

I can't afford one, myself, but they sure make them look sexy on TV (LOL) </sarc>

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sometimes not being able to afford something works out better in the long term!


glad I don't have a tv

There was a patent for a hyper capacitor given out because it worked but the defense department came in and bought it. (Technology) There was a car company in Canada that was going to use them. Look up EEstore that was the company that the defense sector bought.

here is a fact, oils is infinite not finite. unless the core stops being hot oil will always be created. It should be 20c a gallon for gas, but the oil companies don't want you to know that.

Drove past a Ford dealership in Ames, Iowa last weekend when going to the Sam's Club.

The dealership had about a half dozen of the Mustang Mach E - which is the UGLIEST mustang ever made! They cost around $70,000, who in their right mind would spend that kinda money on a POS car like that?

Then there's the F150 Lightning that literally can't tow shit! You buy a pickup to haul and tow things.

Like it's been said, the mining of the rare earth minerals and metals is so counter-productive to the "Green" cause.

The real answer is so easy it's stupid. Ethyl alcohol would be simple to process-corn stalks, grasses, weeds etc. works great in combustion engines and is non polluting.....This electric debacle is tearing up mother earth worse then petro.....

Personally, I like the Ford Lightning electric truck. If they were selling for MSRP I would get one.

That'd be a waste...

The power piggy bank thing is a partial solution to the overall energy storage issue. The main problem with a power grid is that the nature of the load is not constant. Currently, the majority of baseload generation (runs all the time) consists of gas turbines or coal fired and nuclear fed steam turbine generators, machinery that suffers greatly if you cycle it on and off because of the heating and cooling cycles that are detrimental to the metallurgical life of it. The more you turn it on and off, the more maintenance and overhaul it needs so it doesn't fail catastrophically under load (beaucoup $$ and safety issues when that happens).
Historically, pumped hydroelectric storage has been used to supplement baseload generation. You pump water into a reservoir during light load periods like late at night and let it out to supplement the system during periods of heavy load. The same machines that are used as pumps, double as generators.
There has always been a need for more of this type of storage and V2G will save some rare snake, bird or bug from losing its habitat to the creation of another pumped storage reservoir. The green weenies aren't particularly fond of hydroelectric power because, according to them, it harms too many fish and other creatures. When I lived in California and would see the sierra club bumper stickers calling for the removal of hydroelectric dams, I wanted to follow the driver home and pull their electric meter out of the socket so they could see first hand the result of what they were advocating.

I like hearing what you see...


the Green Cause is all about money and control.

yes indeed, it's a total scam. i can't tell how much of it is intentional malevolence and how much is abject stupidity.

definitely both are involved...one seems to be feeding the other.

The elite don't want you driving any kind of car which is why they aren't fixing the grid to handle that load. You will eat ze bugz and own nothing! Look at what they are doing not what they are saying. They aren't doing anything useful to bring us into the green revolution.

For a car or truck that has a larger "carbon footprint" (cough) than a fossil fuel fired vehicle.

Why government should never make decisions.

If you believe the government is pushing the climate change/woke agenda for the good of the people you need to revamp your thinking process - it is fundamentally FLAWED!!!!

That’s a great topic for another thread…

Hubert may have been a loon.. it don’t really matter..

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Ice cream is infinite too…

And I love milkshakes…

But I tend to drink them faster than my wife can blend them up..

So she goes and fracks and finds very deep and dangerous places to blend my milkshakes…

Ice cream is infinite…

But it don’t matter if I drink it faster than she can blend it…

Correct.

Actually, they should focus on plug-in hybrids like the Prius prime and the Rav 4 prime.

Best of both worlds at this stage.