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(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 03/22/2023 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DETROIT – Ford Motor is about to tell investors what they’ve long wondered: How much is the transition to electric vehicles costing? The automaker on Thursday plans to begin reporting its financial results by business unit, instead of by region, ushering in the new reporting structure with a “teach-in” for analysts and media — on the theme of “Ford Refounded” — and releasing revised versions of its financial results that will reveal how the new business units would have performed in 2021 and 2022. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79393242 United States 03/22/2023 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. |
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(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 03/22/2023 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. anything pushed from above - including government support - is a dud on the way. if we needed electric cars, we would eagerly buy them, no government money-dangling needed. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65571479 United States 03/22/2023 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They can take a hint that Tesla dropped their prices twice already...... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73847342 [link to www.visualcapitalist.com (secure)] And this is current gen processes.. nextgen is just around the corner for Tesla.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80756814 United Kingdom 03/22/2023 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.cnbc.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches Ford is about to break out big EV losses for the first time Ford will begin reporting its financial results by business unit, instead of by region, and will release revised results that will show how the new business units would have performed in 2021 and 2022. The changes amount to the most detailed look yet by any legacy automaker into the finances behind the EV business. Wall Street is taking a wait-and-see approach to the changes, but is expecting significant EV unit losses. EV Trucks will fail big time. People need towing power and range. The range drops significantly if towing anything large. Not to mention how you lose 60% of your range in extreme cold. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65571479 United States 03/22/2023 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. anything pushed from above - including government support - is a dud on the way. if we needed electric cars, we would eagerly buy them, no government money-dangling needed. Unless of course, we start to grow weary of buying energy from people who no longer wish to own our debt… Folks need to consider that ev is a geopolitical and national security decision.. Without telling folks this is a geopolitical and national security direction.. But yeah.. folks don’t really think deeply about stuff these days.. |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 03/22/2023 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. anything pushed from above - including government support - is a dud on the way. if we needed electric cars, we would eagerly buy them, no government money-dangling needed. Unless of course, we start to grow weary of buying energy from people who no longer wish to own our debt… Folks need to consider that ev is a geopolitical and national security decision.. Without telling folks this is a geopolitical and national security direction.. But yeah.. folks don’t really think deeply about stuff these days.. we have all the oil we need. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73844703 United States 03/22/2023 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | let me know when they have found substitutes for polymers and plastics, so i can believe the fossil fuel story. in the meantime, these bog auto companies are either complicit in destroying our economy or retarded. possibly both |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65571479 United States 03/22/2023 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. anything pushed from above - including government support - is a dud on the way. if we needed electric cars, we would eagerly buy them, no government money-dangling needed. Unless of course, we start to grow weary of buying energy from people who no longer wish to own our debt… Folks need to consider that ev is a geopolitical and national security decision.. Without telling folks this is a geopolitical and national security direction.. But yeah.. folks don’t really think deeply about stuff these days.. we have all the oil we need. It is convenient.. But so were horses and buggies.. |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 03/22/2023 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: beeches anything pushed from above - including government support - is a dud on the way. if we needed electric cars, we would eagerly buy them, no government money-dangling needed. Unless of course, we start to grow weary of buying energy from people who no longer wish to own our debt… Folks need to consider that ev is a geopolitical and national security decision.. Without telling folks this is a geopolitical and national security direction.. But yeah.. folks don’t really think deeply about stuff these days.. we have all the oil we need. It is convenient.. But so were horses and buggies.. and still are, for the Amish. Electric vehicles are for the gullible only. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85428283 France 03/22/2023 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. they went woke, you know what comes next |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 81732068 United States 03/22/2023 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: beeches anything pushed from above - including government support - is a dud on the way. if we needed electric cars, we would eagerly buy them, no government money-dangling needed. Unless of course, we start to grow weary of buying energy from people who no longer wish to own our debt… Folks need to consider that ev is a geopolitical and national security decision.. Without telling folks this is a geopolitical and national security direction.. But yeah.. folks don’t really think deeply about stuff these days.. we have all the oil we need. It is convenient.. But so were horses and buggies.. For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65571479 United States 03/22/2023 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65571479 Unless of course, we start to grow weary of buying energy from people who no longer wish to own our debt… Folks need to consider that ev is a geopolitical and national security decision.. Without telling folks this is a geopolitical and national security direction.. But yeah.. folks don’t really think deeply about stuff these days.. we have all the oil we need. It is convenient.. But so were horses and buggies.. and still are, for the Amish. Electric vehicles are for the gullible only. Why do you think that? I for one am fond of the idea of placing solar on my property and batteries in my garage and filling up an ev without the need to fossil fuels. It’s a multi generational thing.. It will occur over longer arc of time… And it will not disrupt many, most folks.. I am not eco wack or liberal.. But electricity is easier to create, store and transport.. Than fossil fuels. . |
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(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 03/22/2023 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and still are, for the Amish. Electric vehicles are for the gullible only. Why do you think that? I for one am fond of the idea of placing solar on my property and batteries in my garage and filling up an ev without the need to fossil fuels. It’s a multi generational thing.. It will occur over longer arc of time… And it will not disrupt many, most folks.. I am not eco wack or liberal.. But electricity is easier to create, store and transport.. Than fossil fuels. . Analytical practice revealed ages ago that electric vehicles were planned as virtue-signalling accessories for the same ones who bought into the climate change crap. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65571479 United States 03/22/2023 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do you think that? I for one am fond of the idea of placing solar on my property and batteries in my garage and filling up an ev without the need to fossil fuels. It’s a multi generational thing.. It will occur over longer arc of time… And it will not disrupt many, most folks.. I am not eco wack or liberal.. But electricity is easier to create, store and transport.. Than fossil fuels. . Analytical practice revealed ages ago that electric vehicles were planned as virtue-signalling accessories for the same ones who bought into the climate change crap. Deep thoughts… Thanks for sharing.. |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 81732068 United States 03/22/2023 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and still are, for the Amish. Electric vehicles are for the gullible only. Why do you think that? I for one am fond of the idea of placing solar on my property and batteries in my garage and filling up an ev without the need to fossil fuels. It’s a multi generational thing.. It will occur over longer arc of time… And it will not disrupt many, most folks.. I am not eco wack or liberal.. But electricity is easier to create, store and transport.. Than fossil fuels. . ^^^^^^^^^^^ Research how devastating the mining for the rare earth minerals are. And look up "abiotic oil". It's simple to transport the "dead dinosaur juice" that happens to come from miles under the ocean, as well as miles underground (those dinosaurs sure could dig a deep grave). We have Trucks, tanker ships, and those evil pipelines that transport that juice quite efficiently without the rare earth mineral mining, transport and manufacture of the toxic batteries. Oh yeah, those batteries catch fire often while just driving around (not carelessness), are almost impossible to extinguish, and are a disposal nightmare. And, guess where the electricity comes from? Natural gas, coal, nuclear, and- oh shit- oil, (DDJ-dead dino juice to greenee-weinees) For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85490608 Netherlands 03/22/2023 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how the fuck are you going to charge your fucking battery in the middle of no ware? they don't want you to be able to go very far on purpose and in the future your going to ASK where your EV can go plus you got your dumb cell phone and credit debit card tracking you WAKE THE FUCK UP GAS AND CASH ARE KING |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85490608 Netherlands 03/22/2023 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how the fuck are you going to charge your fucking battery in the middle of no ware? they don't want you to be able to go very far on purpose and in the future your going to ASK where your EV can go plus you got your dumb cell phone and credit debit card tracking you WAKE THE FUCK UP GAS AND CASH ARE KING |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65571479 United States 03/22/2023 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do you think that? I for one am fond of the idea of placing solar on my property and batteries in my garage and filling up an ev without the need to fossil fuels. It’s a multi generational thing.. It will occur over longer arc of time… And it will not disrupt many, most folks.. I am not eco wack or liberal.. But electricity is easier to create, store and transport.. Than fossil fuels. . ^^^^^^^^^^^ Research how devastating the mining for the rare earth minerals are. And look up "abiotic oil". It's simple to transport the "dead dinosaur juice" that happens to come from miles under the ocean, as well as miles underground (those dinosaurs sure could dig a deep grave). We have Trucks, tanker ships, and those evil pipelines that transport that juice quite efficiently without the rare earth mineral mining, transport and manufacture of the toxic batteries. Oh yeah, those batteries catch fire often while just driving around (not carelessness), are almost impossible to extinguish, and are a disposal nightmare. And, guess where the electricity comes from? Natural gas, coal, nuclear, and- oh shit- oil, (DDJ-dead dino juice to greenee-weinees) :recharge1: You should have stuck with the horse and buggy… Do some more research… And attempt to do so with a neutral bias.. |
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(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 03/22/2023 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the Nina..... and some other car they planned... electric OF COURSE The Newark, Delaware Durango plant was going to be bought by FISKER and turned into a new-agey plant for 2 electic vehicles, the Nina, and one whose name will come to me soon. The Fisker folks got millions - MANY MANY millions - from Delaware. and THEN they ran off to Finland, saying they decided to build the cars there..... scam over scam in the EV circus... Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 83184620 United States 03/22/2023 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.cnbc.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches Ford is about to break out big EV losses for the first time Ford will begin reporting its financial results by business unit, instead of by region, and will release revised results that will show how the new business units would have performed in 2021 and 2022. The changes amount to the most detailed look yet by any legacy automaker into the finances behind the EV business. Wall Street is taking a wait-and-see approach to the changes, but is expecting significant EV unit losses. ------------------- Deutsche Bank analyst Emmanuel Rosner believes Ford could be incurring gross losses of about $9,000 per EV sold. The analyst expects Ford to reveal Thursday Model e operating losses of $6 billion for 2022. That’s after accounting for significant research and development investments — roughly 65% of the company’s total R&D — into the EV unit. Another government subsidy coming... “I’m the wall that progress ran into" |
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(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 03/22/2023 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you can't make this up! Their flagship car was called the Karma..... news from 2012: Fisker plant in Delaware on track despite Karma recall [link to www.delawarepublic.org (secure)] Last Edited by beeches on 03/22/2023 03:23 PM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 81732068 United States 03/22/2023 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you can't make this up! Quoting: beeches Their flagship car was called the Karma..... news from 2012: Fisker plant in Delaware on track despite Karma recall [link to www.delawarepublic.org (secure)] For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
Earth School
User ID: 78710158 United States 03/22/2023 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who threatened all of these companies and with what? This level of corporate mass suicide is impossible without a heavy hand. Black Rock owns 7% of Ford and 9% GM. We know Larry the Fink is all about this woke crap. Is that enough ownership to force them to do it? |