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Ford is about to break out big EV losses for the first time | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77810316  United States03/22/2023 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84981276 United States03/22/2023 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. Diesel always got great mileage but we have to not let cars use it. |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States03/22/2023 06:51 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At any time, they could stop the transport of liquid fuels.. No? And if you can produce your own electricity, Where is your direct dependency on them at all? It’s not a strong argument in my humble opinion. you don't have the area or foresight to store fuels. Quite a few farmers and other rural people do. They buy when the cost is cheaper.... or when there are threats to the supply chain. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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| beeches
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70170111 United States03/22/2023 06:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and still are, for the Amish. Electric vehicles are for the gullible only. Why do you think that? I for one am fond of the idea of placing solar on my property and batteries in my garage and filling up an ev without the need to fossil fuels. It’s a multi generational thing.. It will occur over longer arc of time… And it will not disrupt many, most folks.. I am not eco wack or liberal.. But electricity is easier to create, store and transport.. Than fossil fuels. . You will have substantial up-front costs for the panels and especially batteries -- what are the ecological implications of that equipment? And substantial additional funds for an EV. It might pay off in the long run, but not everyone has the up-front cash or property for panels, nor are they willing to take the trade-offs for longer distance travel that come with an EV. What works for you, well, might not work for all of us. You are correct in that it will be a long process of transitioning to EVs, so if you want to be an early adopter, please proceed. As a matter of fact, if you are so fond of the notion, why have you done it yet? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65571479 United States03/22/2023 06:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At any time, they could stop the transport of liquid fuels.. No? And if you can produce your own electricity, Where is your direct dependency on them at all? It’s not a strong argument in my humble opinion. you don't have the area or foresight to store fuels. Quite a few farmers and other rural people do. They buy when the cost is cheaper.... or when there are threats to the supply chain. Rural people have plenty of opportunities to become their own power co.. If they wished to.. Those opportunities have not existed in the past.. And the cost benefit is compelling for many. 4-6 year roi and then profits…. And optionality.. But yes, many may have special needs… Or personal preferences.. It’s not an all or nothing solution. It’s about moving the needle.. That is how things move… Slowly…. Slowly.. Then accelerate as cost and benefit become more compelling.. We dont control it.. just understand it, see it, and adapt to it.. Perhaps even be on the right side and benefit.. Or not.. |
| Phillip J. Fry
User ID: 85483879 United States03/22/2023 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DETROIT – Ford Motor Quoting: beeches is about to tell investors what they’ve long wondered: How much is the transition to electric vehicles costing? The automaker on Thursday plans to begin reporting its financial results by business unit, instead of by region, ushering in the new reporting structure with a “teach-in” for analysts and media — on the theme of “Ford Refounded” — and releasing revised versions of its financial results that will reveal how the new business units would have performed in 2021 and 2022. Stupid is supposed to HURT. A proper lesson administered promotes though on the subject.   . "Don't do anything that affects anything. Unless it turns out you were supposed to do it, in which case for the love of God. Don't not do it!" |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33659422 United States03/22/2023 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will have substantial up-front costs for the panels and especially batteries -- what are the ecological implications of that equipment? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70170111 What are the ecological implications of having to go to the middle east and kill a bunch of dune cunes every 10-15 years to keep the fucking oil flowing??? |
| DovesofPeace
User ID: 85486966 United States03/22/2023 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: POLL: How secure are 'safety deposit boxes' when shtf? The rich know the price of everything but the value of nothing because for them the value is the price. - Hugh Nibley [link to www.offeroftrust.com (secure)] About: "I solve problems" Listen to this. Promise you won't regret it: [link to youtu.be (secure)] Truth Overcomes All Bonds |
| beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States03/22/2023 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will have substantial up-front costs for the panels and especially batteries -- what are the ecological implications of that equipment? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70170111 What are the ecological implications of having to go to the middle east and kill a bunch of dune cunes every 10-15 years to keep the fucking oil flowing??? that question is only pertinent under Biden. before him, America achieved oil independence. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85446342 United States03/22/2023 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. anything pushed from above - including government support - is a dud on the way. if we needed electric cars, we would eagerly buy them, no government money-dangling needed. Unless of course, we start to grow weary of buying energy from people who no longer wish to own our debt… Folks need to consider that ev is a geopolitical and national security decision.. Without telling folks this is a geopolitical and national security direction.. But yeah.. folks don’t really think deeply about stuff these days.. [/ Uh. Only if you quit using American oil Mr. Biden |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83490470 United States03/22/2023 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Drove past a Ford dealership in Ames, Iowa last weekend when going to the Sam's Club. Quoting: SgtWalleye1 The dealership had about a half dozen of the Mustang Mach E - which is the UGLIEST mustang ever made! They cost around $70,000, who in their right mind would spend that kinda money on a POS car like that? Then there's the F150 Lightning that literally can't tow shit! You buy a pickup to haul and tow things. Like it's been said, the mining of the rare earth minerals and metals is so counter-productive to the "Green" cause. I hope that dealership isn't owned by the "mayer" Fred hoiberg |
| Endtimewatchman10
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72749344 United States03/22/2023 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At any time, they could stop the transport of liquid fuels.. No? And if you can produce your own electricity, Where is your direct dependency on them at all? It’s not a strong argument in my humble opinion. Not strong. Just real. They already flip the switch on petrol. However, there IS SOME competition. Electricity is regulated into monopolies. Generate your own? Hope so. Gather your own via sun and and store with batteries? Hope so. Don't forget your inverter. And damn the clouds. Windmill? Hahaha. Tesla technology to get electricity from the ether? Hope so. Otherwise : CLICK :gomergas2: I can generate my own electricity. I can not produce my own gasoline. As far as shutting my vehicle down, they can do that to ice or ev cars and I can disable that feature on either so that point is moot for me. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81224889 United States03/22/2023 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the most retarded part about this whole "EV because fossil fuel story" is the complete obfuscation of the facts about how much of a modern vehicle is comprised of plastic, which comes from oil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73844703 let me know when they have found substitutes for polymers and plastics, so i can believe the fossil fuel story. in the meantime, these bog auto companies are either complicit in destroying our economy or retarded. possibly both The dumbing down of Americans has been pretty successful. Especially urban americans. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81224889 United States03/22/2023 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these companies had any sense they'd be pushing HYBRID cars that get 60-80MPG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79393242 No one wants to deal with the charging bullshit the infrastructure is just not ready no matter how hard they try to push this shit on us. Electric cars is a massive virtue signaling scam. The first major that figures out pushing HYBRIDS with massive MPG ratings wins the market. they went woke, you know what comes next Too big to fail. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85185446 United States03/22/2023 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will have substantial up-front costs for the panels and especially batteries -- what are the ecological implications of that equipment? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70170111 What are the ecological implications of having to go to the middle east and kill a bunch of dune cunes every 10-15 years to keep the fucking oil flowing??? U.S. was energy independent under Trump. bye-done changed that. |
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| tkwasny
User ID: 71641081 United States03/23/2023 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.cnbc.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches Ford is about to break out big EV losses for the first time Ford will begin reporting its financial results by business unit, instead of by region, and will release revised results that will show how the new business units would have performed in 2021 and 2022. The changes amount to the most detailed look yet by any legacy automaker into the finances behind the EV business. Wall Street is taking a wait-and-see approach to the changes, but is expecting significant EV unit losses. EV Trucks will fail big time. People need towing power and range. The range drops significantly if towing anything large. Not to mention how you lose 60% of your range in extreme cold. Stop and go busy city traffic will kill your battery at a rate so high ALL manufacturers will not disclose any numbers. Floored zero to sixty will kill up to half your battery stored power with just 20 reps (stop lights or stop signs). |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10155303 United States03/25/2023 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go woke, get broke. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77082648 Fuck all American trash "automobile manufacturers" Selling an electric car isn't "woke". People want to buy them, so they made them. Fedex didn't turn a profit until they were in business for 5 years, should they have called it quits at year 2??? I'm not so sure they can sustain big losses very long, especially sine I read this headline this morning... "Ford Burns Through Billions, Expects to Lose $12 Billion on Electric Vehicle Line" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10155303 United States03/25/2023 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go woke, get broke. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77082648 Fuck all American trash "automobile manufacturers" Selling an electric car isn't "woke". People want to buy them, so they made them. Fedex didn't turn a profit until they were in business for 5 years, should they have called it quits at year 2??? I'm not so sure they can sustain big losses very long, especially sine I read this headline this morning... "Ford Burns Through Billions, Expects to Lose $12 Billion on Electric Vehicle Line" if ford were smart, they would be going the direction of hydrogen... [link to www.oemoffhighway.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83935739 United States03/25/2023 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do you think that? I for one am fond of the idea of placing solar on my property and batteries in my garage and filling up an ev without the need to fossil fuels. It’s a multi generational thing.. It will occur over longer arc of time… And it will not disrupt many, most folks.. I am not eco wack or liberal.. But electricity is easier to create, store and transport.. Than fossil fuels. . ^^^^^^^^^^^  Research how devastating the mining for the rare earth minerals are. And look up "abiotic oil". It's simple to transport the "dead dinosaur juice" that happens to come from miles under the ocean, as well as miles underground (those dinosaurs sure could dig a deep grave). We have Trucks, tanker ships, and those evil pipelines that transport that juice quite efficiently without the rare earth mineral mining, transport and manufacture of the toxic batteries. Oh yeah, those batteries catch fire often while just driving around (not carelessness), are almost impossible to extinguish, and are a disposal nightmare. And, guess where the electricity comes from? Natural gas, coal, nuclear, and- oh shit- oil, (DDJ-dead dino juice to greenee-weinees) :recharge1: You should have stuck with the horse and buggy… Do some more research… And attempt to do so with a neutral bias.. An internet poster saying "do more research" is the same as a pastor or priest saying "pray on it". If you have some convincing knowledge then spill it, if not... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84942977 United States03/25/2023 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go woke, get broke. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77082648 Fuck all American trash "automobile manufacturers" Selling an electric car isn't "woke". People want to buy them, so they made them. Fedex didn't turn a profit until they were in business for 5 years, should they have called it quits at year 2??? I'm not so sure they can sustain big losses very long, especially sine I read this headline this morning... "Ford Burns Through Billions, Expects to Lose $12 Billion on Electric Vehicle Line" if ford were smart, they would be going the direction of hydrogen... [link to www.oemoffhighway.com (secure)] Get the government out of the equation and they might. Not going to happen. |
