How the Earliest Christians Remembered, Changed, and Invented Their Stories of the Savior

Jesus was a man of few words, simple words, and a deeply challenging message. However, through the years his words and message have been clouded with additions and redactions. How can we possibly know the words he spoke? What were his original teachings? Where did his message stop and the many changes begin? Hidden in the gospels themselves are the source materials containing the original message preached by Jesus.
Before the gospels were written, there were proto-gospels, notes, lists and collections of sayings used to construct the gospels we have today. By examining history, language, and content we can cut through additions and redactions to extract the earliest source materials and examine the true words and teachings of Jesus.

Read more ---> Before the Gospels: : The Gospels of Thomas, Q, Signs, and The Passion Narrative: The Writings from which the Gospels Sprang

By Joseph Lumpkin

Ehrman denies the inerrancy of Scripture. Either he is self-deceived, or he works for the Other Side.

Dismiss anything he has to say.

I would guess that a big part of the problem is that not everyone was talking about the same individual.

Since "Jesus" is not an actual name until these steps:

Yeshua in Hebrew gets translated to Iesuos in Greek and then eventually into "Jesus" with English.

Since Yeshua in Hebrew literally is a phrase meaning "He who saves" the character who became the 33AD Semite in Roman Occupied Jerusalem could've been an amalgam of any number of Messianic contenders operating at that time.

The name "Jesus Christ" simply means "Annointed Messiah"

So anyone "Annointed" by the Chrism and teaching salvation through third-eye awakening in Jerusalem, which would be in direct opposition to the Pharisees and Sadducees and also a threat to Roman crowd-control operations like what we run today would eventually fold-in to the narrative, including those who would be executed for Blasphemy or sedition.

So people talking about different messiahs would've all eventually lost their distinction as the stories became homogenized and compiled, especially by the time of Constantine and then Nicaea.

Associating these Messianic figures to previously existing messianic figures from Greco/Roman (and other Pantheon-based mythos) and also trying to tie any or all of these people into Chewish expectations would further shape a narrative that would become totally...what's the best word...

Common denominator and therefore derivative of everything else that came before, with a new time-and-place is all.

And the common denominator is, in fact, the Astrotheology and it's correspondence to Meditation, Third-Eye, Chrism, Kundalini and Alchemy, Reincarnation, Karma and Chakra systems.

That's really it.

I would imagine that all religions have this *common denominator* concept built into their current belief systems, to some extent.

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 03/25/2023 02:03 PM

Those are the only two possibilities...why?

Thanks.

"Jesus" never really said anything that wasn't sourced to earlier materials. Meaning, we don't really have any record of anything he said casually as an individual. Everything written is more of a prepared lesson/speech.

I have heard it said that the Gospels were written from a Q source (we've all heard that, right?) but what we have NOT heard is that the Q source is thought to be a stage play performed at Roman Holidays.

To put it simply, "Jesus" was the Luke Skywalker of his day but was based on various real people of that time.

Much like the Jedi have been made into a real religion, Constantine took the popular stageplay and turned it into theology.

(Note: Sol Invictus was already the National Theology they just gave the "Sun" a new name and title from the fiction)

This is not to deny Jesus Christ, but to instead turn the focus inward where the Christ is really found.

There *is* a real Christ and He/it is found within.

The Bible is important in trying very hard, through intensely inspired fiction, to point you to it.

Taking it as literal material history is to deny the Holy Spirit.

The spirit requires no offering of flesh to work it's miracles.

I try to go back to originality as much as possible .... It's clear there is so much distortion now. There always has been, but it's increased on an exponential level, from my observation.

And so it must be.

One problem I have in trying to show people the source is that they interpret me as saying everything is "Bad" that I'm revealing.

It's not. They mystery of it all, the layers, the unraveling, the process of discovery is beautiful and every step on the path of it is beautiful and necessary.

Yeah well you should know.

Deception only comes in two basic flavors: internally-generated and externally-generated. All other styles are variations on a theme.

Stories about Jesus seem to have steadily transformed Jesus the human into Jesus Christ the God by the time the last Gospel was written. He was transformed from someone to be revered to someone to be worshiped.

Last Edited by dogman17 on 03/25/2023 02:29 PM

What a subtil argument. Very ssssssssssssmooth.

And anything you disagree with is "deception"?


I used to hate vegetables, but I was "deceived" into trying them again as an adult and now I am lost in my error of vegetable deception.

Are you happy with Hot Dogs and Nuggies?

stage play?

tell me more.

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 03/25/2023 02:40 PM

I do. And you don't.

:)

You've heard it said that the Roman Family...the oh boy, can't think of the name...Divicis?...[edit: The Piso family] wrote the New Testament.

But who were they?

Roman Aristocracy, the people who built the Coliseum, the people who understood the value of bread-and-circuses.

And their religion was Sol Invictus. To entertain the masses they would do morality plays based on Sol Invictus, giving human character to Astrological precepts and often attaching the words of prophets long gone to those characters in those plays.

Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster and even Greek Philosophers would find their words attached to Sol Invictus Characters of the Zodiac.

To include and appease the occupied Jerusalem, they changed the name of the Sol Invictus character to Yeshua which was a catch all term for "He who saves"

Much like Luke is a name which means Light.

So Roman citizens would see these plays like we see movies, learn simple morality lessons, and would never think to associate these "semi historical" tales with meditation.

They could go back to their jobs, the families, their taxes, and maybe not be so pissed off by Roman occupation.

It worked so well, they made it the State religion.

Last Edited by The_Meridian on 03/25/2023 02:56 PM

ty!

Nevermind just two new age shills who try to pervert the bible like they always do.

I call you both now, the two beasts.

“If you love me, keep my commands.

The two beasts have spoken.

Agree.

Never under estimate the corruptive and manipulative power of human greed.

And human biases can greatly distort the truth through misunderstanding, misinterpretation, mistranslation, exaggeration, embellishment, and ill intent.

We have everything needed within us to personally connect with God directly, cutting out any human third parties and human intermediaries that could possibly distort the true Word of God.

All the best!

Bart Ehrman is always interesting to listen to.

His newest book is Armageddon: What the Bible Really Says about the End

thanks, i'll check it out

I enjoy your posts and the patience you demonstrate when making a point.

Keep up the good work

Thanks! I've come to realize over the years that there is readership out there, a silent body of people who are interested in what I have to say.

There's always going to be trolls and hecklers and you eventually learn how to use them to your advantage, since they tend to always behave in the same predictable patterns.

The flowchart of logical fallacies issued by forum disruptor headquarters. They REALLY, really like the Strawman tactic.

Well, I'm glad someone was there as an eyewitness to get it all straight for us . . .

You were there, too.

Some of us have simply spent more time unlocking our memories by working through all available resources that survive from these eras.

And reading between the lines, sometimes.

You can, too.