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Why does Christianity glorify suffering?

 
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Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
Many religious people think suffering is virtuous and not just Christians. If Jesus cares so much for his people wouldn't he want them fed, clothed and overcoming? What parent would cause suffering to the children?

Suffering without purpose is evil. Suffering for suffering sake is evil. I was raised in church and this mindset doesn't create good fruit. If you are loved shouldn't the expectation be abundance not endless suffering? Many are terrified to think they are worthy of happiness.

Christians talk about grace but don't really believe it. If they believed it they wouldn't be so self loathing and judgmental to others. They try to get more members by talking about how Jesus saves and a loving God but quickly tell new converts they aren't worthy and thats why their life isn't working out.

Self loathing Christians think they should live a base life but ignore the rich preacher. The preacher tells the flock God needs their money but who does preacher tithe? Jesus talked about how the pharisees gave impossible rules to the masses they themselves didn't follow.

Because they don't believe it they become self righteous. They like to talk about carnality. My old church looked down their noses at others carnality while bragging about how much they like food.

Carnality is more than sex drugs and rocknroll. Its running water, AC, flavorful food, art, and plain old fun. Paul said all things are possible just not expedient.
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E. Christians.
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OP some of what you say makes sense.

But most preachers aren't rich. Not even close. You're thinking of a very select few like the ones you see on tv.

I do agree that I don't see the point in romanticizing suffering or hardship. In my opinion, it just creates a jaded, bitter person. If you're constantly worried about $ or health problems, how can you be of service to others?
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Turn the other cheek, stand down, trust the plan, and the meek will inherit the earth.

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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
OP some of what you say makes sense.

But most preachers aren't rich. Not even close. You're thinking of a very select few like the ones you see on tv.

I do agree that I don't see the point in romanticizing suffering or hardship. In my opinion, it just creates a jaded, bitter person. If you're constantly worried about $ or health problems, how can you be of service to others?
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You can't. Thats the point. Christianity is used to control the masses of White people. it keeps us meek and subservient to the j.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
OP some of what you say makes sense.

But most preachers aren't rich. Not even close. You're thinking of a very select few like the ones you see on tv.

I do agree that I don't see the point in romanticizing suffering or hardship. In my opinion, it just creates a jaded, bitter person. If you're constantly worried about $ or health problems, how can you be of service to others?
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You can't. Thats the point. Christianity is used to control the masses of White people. it keeps us meek and subservient to the j.
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Ethiopia is Christian. Explain.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
You must be careful thinking that the suffering youre experiencing is without purpose. Our vision is often limited and cannot see how it may be benefiting us. Suffering and loss is an opportunity to attain spiritual gifts such as humility, appreciation, patience, empathy etc. These all go into creating your inner and outer heaven.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
Suffering leads to Salvation
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
Turn the other cheek, stand down, trust the plan, and the meek will inherit the earth.

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Being poor is glorified. What is wrong with having money? Its the love of money thats bad not having it.

Christians need/want money but try to virtue signal God they don't like God could be fooled.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
OP some of what you say makes sense.

But most preachers aren't rich. Not even close. You're thinking of a very select few like the ones you see on tv.

I do agree that I don't see the point in romanticizing suffering or hardship. In my opinion, it just creates a jaded, bitter person. If you're constantly worried about $ or health problems, how can you be of service to others?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83835434


You can't. Thats the point. Christianity is used to control the masses of White people. it keeps us meek and subservient to the j.
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Ethiopia is Christian. Explain.
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Cultural appropriation.
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Suffering leads to Salvation
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Christianity is a hate and death and doom society.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
You must be careful thinking that the suffering youre experiencing is without purpose. Our vision is often limited and cannot see how it may be benefiting us. Suffering and loss is an opportunity to attain spiritual gifts such as humility, appreciation, patience, empathy etc. These all go into creating your inner and outer heaven.
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Suffering when others around you are doing good is judgement. They lame guy at well for 30 some years was thought to be a sinner and that guy certainly racked his head thinking about what he did to deserve it.

They old saying what doesn't kill you makes you stronger is only partly true. It causes ptsd, fear, feeling of being powerless, stunting of growth and demoralization. This person has learned to fail and stops trying eventually. Working a muscle is good until its overworked.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
OP some of what you say makes sense.

But most preachers aren't rich. Not even close. You're thinking of a very select few like the ones you see on tv.

I do agree that I don't see the point in romanticizing suffering or hardship. In my opinion, it just creates a jaded, bitter person. If you're constantly worried about $ or health problems, how can you be of service to others?
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You can't. Thats the point. Christianity is used to control the masses of White people. it keeps us meek and subservient to the j.
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Id say the masses are far more controlled by netflix and pornhub than by any religion.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
Suffering leads to Salvation
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Sorry, my phone is acting up again today. We are way up North on Canadian border. And there has been so much magnetic et. Interference from northern lights and sun spots!
.. anyhow I was always taught That suffering is another way of praying. I recently fractured my hip so badly Pieces of the bone also ripped up my intestines and I almost died of paradinitis and of blood loss. And I refused Transfusions and it took a long time to Build my health back. I truly believe that our priest, who has a healing gift as many of the priests in this area, have had ever since The first came here to our people in the 1600s by invitation from our chiefs to come and teach us about Jesus Christ and to teach our children in school to read and write et cetera. And I told him about a vision that I had when I was dying and came close to crossing over... that Jesus was on the cross. And I was about 3 years old and he reached down with his left hand and pulled me up so he could hold me next to him. And I was covered with blood from suffering. And he was covered with blood from suffering and our blood and tears intermingled. And he said you don't have to suffer. I can heal you, but you can keep on doing what you're doing. join me to pay for Some of the evil that's been done, to ameliorate it. And so give a clean sacrifice to the Father to save humanity. And I hugged his neck and held on for dear life and I said. I will do whatever you want. And I came to as they were working on me. And I said it's okay tell my husband I'm going to be ok and I survived. I offered that prayer up, the prayer of suffering. Those of us who are strong have to protect the weak and with all the children and women being trafficked and having horrible lives and having their blood taken out so that rich people can live longer and look Younger. I gladly would suffer for them to be saved. And if you don't agree, and you don't think that makes sense. Well, that's just your problem.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
OP some of what you say makes sense.

But most preachers aren't rich. Not even close. You're thinking of a very select few like the ones you see on tv.

I do agree that I don't see the point in romanticizing suffering or hardship. In my opinion, it just creates a jaded, bitter person. If you're constantly worried about $ or health problems, how can you be of service to others?
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You can't. Thats the point. Christianity is used to control the masses of White people. it keeps us meek and subservient to the j.
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Id say the masses are far more controlled by netflix and pornhub than by any religion.
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Pornhub is owned by a j Rabbi
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
You must be careful thinking that the suffering youre experiencing is without purpose. Our vision is often limited and cannot see how it may be benefiting us. Suffering and loss is an opportunity to attain spiritual gifts such as humility, appreciation, patience, empathy etc. These all go into creating your inner and outer heaven.
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Suffering when others around you are doing good is judgement. They lame guy at well for 30 some years was thought to be a sinner and that guy certainly racked his head thinking about what he did to deserve it.

They old saying what doesn't kill you makes you stronger is only partly true. It causes ptsd, fear, feeling of being powerless, stunting of growth and demoralization. This person has learned to fail and stops trying eventually. Working a muscle is good until its overworked.
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In what sense are they doing good though? Typically the superficial. The worldly(job, finances etc.) Do they have the gifts of the spirit though. Typically not unless they have suffered. This could be taken as an opportunity to cleanse yourself of spirits of envy. Dont think about the lives of others or be jealous of them. While they are enriching themselves outwardly, you are being enriched inwardly. Eventually you'll learn the difference of the spirit and the mind. As you say your mind may be damaged in the intense heat & pressure of this crucible, but your spirit remains pristine. And the former shall pass away with this body.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
Humans were under judgement and Jesus died to remove said judgement. Some people think in karma so Jesus removed bad karma.

Jesus removed the penalty for judgement. I don't agree with modern prosperity doctrine but at least it says you are worthy of abundance.

Suffering provides a contrast and allows one to appreciate good things. A child born rich and healthy will never appreciate it like one born poor.

Problem is when poor and downtrodden think to want better is sinful, how dare you want out of the prison cell!

If Jesus removed judgement why do many Christians still revel in judgement? Its like the Christians who cut themselves to cause suffering because Jesus suffered.

Don't forget many poor Christians love to look at the non poor and think they are less spiritual and Hell bound.
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Because you touch your dog's penis, OP.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
You must be careful thinking that the suffering youre experiencing is without purpose. Our vision is often limited and cannot see how it may be benefiting us. Suffering and loss is an opportunity to attain spiritual gifts such as humility, appreciation, patience, empathy etc. These all go into creating your inner and outer heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84722137


Suffering when others around you are doing good is judgement. They lame guy at well for 30 some years was thought to be a sinner and that guy certainly racked his head thinking about what he did to deserve it.

They old saying what doesn't kill you makes you stronger is only partly true. It causes ptsd, fear, feeling of being powerless, stunting of growth and demoralization. This person has learned to fail and stops trying eventually. Working a muscle is good until its overworked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79782738


In what sense are they doing good though? Typically the superficial. The worldly(job, finances etc.) Do they have the gifts of the spirit though. Typically not unless they have suffered. This could be taken as an opportunity to cleanse yourself of spirits of envy. Dont think about the lives of others or be jealous of them. While they are enriching themselves outwardly, you are being enriched inwardly. Eventually you'll learn the difference of the spirit and the mind. As you say your mind may be damaged in the intense heat & pressure of this crucible, but your spirit remains pristine. And the former shall pass away with this body.
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Poor and suffering doesn't mean more spiritual. Suffering has its place but its wasted if abundance isn't found. Someone who works a shitty job for 40 years can more readily enjoy retirement due to past suffering but I know people who retired and voluntarily live a shitty existence. These types hate joy for some reason. They are self loathing and prefer suffering.
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Re: Why does Christianity glorify suffering?
Many religious people think suffering is virtuous and not just Christians. If Jesus cares so much for his people wouldn't he want them fed, clothed and overcoming? What parent would cause suffering to the children?

Suffering without purpose is evil. Suffering for suffering sake is evil. I was raised in church and this mindset doesn't create good fruit. If you are loved shouldn't the expectation be abundance not endless suffering? Many are terrified to think they are worthy of happiness.

Christians talk about grace but don't really believe it. If they believed it they wouldn't be so self loathing and judgmental to others. They try to get more members by talking about how Jesus saves and a loving God but quickly tell new converts they aren't worthy and thats why their life isn't working out.

Self loathing Christians think they should live a base life but ignore the rich preacher. The preacher tells the flock God needs their money but who does preacher tithe? Jesus talked about how the pharisees gave impossible rules to the masses they themselves didn't follow.

Because they don't believe it they become self righteous. They like to talk about carnality. My old church looked down their noses at others carnality while bragging about how much they like food.

Carnality is more than sex drugs and rocknroll. Its running water, AC, flavorful food, art, and plain old fun. Paul said all things are possible just not expedient.
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"You got to suffer if you want to sing the blues."
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Suffering builds character. Pretty obvious.
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Because you touch your dog's penis, OP.
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Nasty flappydoodle wrangler.
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Many religious people think suffering is virtuous and not just Christians. If Jesus cares so much for his people wouldn't he want them fed, clothed and overcoming? What parent would cause suffering to the children?

Suffering without purpose is evil. Suffering for suffering sake is evil. I was raised in church and this mindset doesn't create good fruit. If you are loved shouldn't the expectation be abundance not endless suffering? Many are terrified to think they are worthy of happiness.

Christians talk about grace but don't really believe it. If they believed it they wouldn't be so self loathing and judgmental to others. They try to get more members by talking about how Jesus saves and a loving God but quickly tell new converts they aren't worthy and thats why their life isn't working out.

Self loathing Christians think they should live a base life but ignore the rich preacher. The preacher tells the flock God needs their money but who does preacher tithe? Jesus talked about how the pharisees gave impossible rules to the masses they themselves didn't follow.

Because they don't believe it they become self righteous. They like to talk about carnality. My old church looked down their noses at others carnality while bragging about how much they like food.

Carnality is more than sex drugs and rocknroll. Its running water, AC, flavorful food, art, and plain old fun. Paul said all things are possible just not expedient.
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They do not think and thus live the mind control . Christians are not his people. He did not start a religion and poured his Spirit of Truth on all flesh
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You must be careful thinking that the suffering youre experiencing is without purpose. Our vision is often limited and cannot see how it may be benefiting us. Suffering and loss is an opportunity to attain spiritual gifts such as humility, appreciation, patience, empathy etc. These all go into creating your inner and outer heaven.
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Suffering when others around you are doing good is judgement. They lame guy at well for 30 some years was thought to be a sinner and that guy certainly racked his head thinking about what he did to deserve it.

They old saying what doesn't kill you makes you stronger is only partly true. It causes ptsd, fear, feeling of being powerless, stunting of growth and demoralization. This person has learned to fail and stops trying eventually. Working a muscle is good until its overworked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79782738


In what sense are they doing good though? Typically the superficial. The worldly(job, finances etc.) Do they have the gifts of the spirit though. Typically not unless they have suffered. This could be taken as an opportunity to cleanse yourself of spirits of envy. Dont think about the lives of others or be jealous of them. While they are enriching themselves outwardly, you are being enriched inwardly. Eventually you'll learn the difference of the spirit and the mind. As you say your mind may be damaged in the intense heat & pressure of this crucible, but your spirit remains pristine. And the former shall pass away with this body.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84722137


Poor and suffering doesn't mean more spiritual. Suffering has its place but its wasted if abundance isn't found. Someone who works a shitty job for 40 years can more readily enjoy retirement due to past suffering but I know people who retired and voluntarily live a shitty existence. These types hate joy for some reason. They are self loathing and prefer suffering.
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Not inherently no. Simply speaks to an overwhelming tendency/generality. Which is why it says in the bible that its rare for a rich man to enter heaven, not that he cant; and that the first in life shall be last in the next, and the last in this life shall be first in the next.
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You truly do not know yourself until you have suffered.
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You truly do not know yourself until you have suffered.
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You don't know yourself until you have power. Its easier to suffer than be righteous when one doesn't have to be.

The majority who live a pious wouldn't do so if they had real power.
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They do not think and thus live the mind control . Christians are not his people. He did not start a religion and poured his Spirit of Truth on all flesh

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GARBAGE POST ^^^^^

Yes, christians are Jesus's people. Jesus started the christian church and therefore christianity in general. He didn't start urantia cult and has nothin to do with either the urantia book or the phony phenix journals....that garbage is channeled, new-age, horseshit that Jesus has nothing to do with.

the spirit of truth is the holy spirit, it is the comforter, and Jesus bestowed it upon the world when he ascended to heaven.
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The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

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They do not think and thus live the mind control . Christians are not his people. He did not start a religion and poured his Spirit of Truth on all flesh

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GARBAGE POST ^^^^^

Yes, christians are Jesus's people. Jesus started the christian church and therefore christianity in general. He didn't start urantia cult and has nothin to do with either the urantia book or the phony phenix journals....that garbage is channeled, new-age, horseshit that Jesus has nothing to do with.

the spirit of truth is the holy spirit, it is the comforter, and Jesus bestowed it upon the world when he ascended to heaven.
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It is not thee holy Spirit.. your churches corrupted you Baloney. spirit of truth pour a
Our on all flesh meatsuits. On top of the genetic mind,,it is accessed IF ONE HAS AN indwelling fragment of the FATHER.
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They do not think and thus live the mind control . Christians are not his people. He did not start a religion and poured his Spirit of Truth on all flesh

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86385954

GARBAGE POST ^^^^^

Yes, christians are Jesus's people. Jesus started the christian church and therefore christianity in general. He didn't start urantia cult and has nothin to do with either the urantia book or the phony phenix journals....that garbage is channeled, new-age, horseshit that Jesus has nothing to do with.

the spirit of truth is the holy spirit, it is the comforter, and Jesus bestowed it upon the world when he ascended to heaven.
[/quote
It is not thee holy Spirit.. your churches corrupted you Baloney. spirit of truth poured out on all flesh meatsuits. On top of the genetic mind,,it is accessed IF ONE HAS AN indwelling fragment of the FATHER.





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