TURKEY'S PLAN "B": THE NEXT STEP

Is it true that the caliphate will be reestablished there?

Not possible.

upps, my last post got kinda messed up, so again:
it's a secular state, with a parliamentary democracy. the people there wouldn't want to change that.

Most Americans do not understand that huge parts of southeastern Europe were under Turkish rule for centuries, and some parts still are Moslem.

Neither do they know that most of what is now Spain, likewise, was Islamic for almost half a millenium.

Most Americans think there is some gigantic brick wall dividing "Europe" from the Islamic world. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Turkey is a huge, Huge, HUGE modern nation poised between what people call "Europe", and the Middle East!

Nobody here has paid much attention to Turkey because they have been an ally -- and so stable -- for such a long time.

Most Americans only view the very modern creation of Israel through the lens of their personal religion -- and do not treat is as a "country" like other countries.

People here are swayed by emotion and media propaganda -- not logic.

yes, that part where you talk about Israel viewed that way might be a key point in this. I'm pretty sure there are more people in the US who would support Israel in this situation, and of course the Senate, Congress, and the President would too. there wouldn't even be a pressure on the state (from it's own citizens) not to do so.
If Turkey will be told by the NATO, or the US alone to stop it's action, they will probably feel offended, and this could easily bring some changes in the alliances.
wise move would be if Israel stepped back here a little bit, not becase they wouldn't be able to deal with Turkey, but it would be the best for everyone in the region

We Americans need to mind our own business.

If Turkey and other nations want to recognize Palestine and trade with them or send them aid, then let them.

Prosperous neighbors make good, peaceful neighbors.

Thank you.

According to local media;

Turkish PM will visit Egypt at 12 September, then will go to Gaza by passing from Rafah Border Crossing either at 13 or 14 September.

New Turkish threats over drilling

TURKEY’S EU Affairs Minister Egemen Bagis yesterday issued a number of threats at Cyprus in daily including one to send naval vessels to the drilling area.

[link to www.cyprus-mail.com]

Wow Turkey is getting fired up!

By the way why do people not comlain about Cyprus being in the EU since it is in Asia but complain about Turkey.

A good web with info on turkish navy:

[link to turkishnavy.blogspot.com]

[link to turkishnavy.net]

Last Edited by TheNihilistProphet on 09/04/2011 05:56 AM

Israel will try to impede it?

Turkey to sign strategic alliance with Egypt

[link to www.ynetnews.com]

[link to www.jpost.com]


'Erdogan visit to Gaza would hurt Turkey-US ties'

It's strategic cooperation agreement, not alliance.

Just copied and pasted the title.

Yeah, those YNet journalists probably don't know that those two things are not the same.

As a native speaker of English, I can say that there is very, very little difference at all in the meanting of the two phrases "alliance" and "cooperation agreement".

They could be used interchangeably in any sort of context I have ever come across.

There may, however, be some distinctions between what the phrases mean in the original language(s).

Editted to add:

Vlad -- Could you explain what distinctions you percieve here?

Last Edited by goodmockingbird on 09/04/2011 04:48 PM

[link to www.todayszaman.com]

Davutoğlu says flotilla issue not just between Israel and Turkey

This isn't about linguistics.

A strategic cooperation agreement is a document of lesser importance than an alliance. An alliance has casus foederis, a strategic cooperation doesn't.

Good explanation... that shows us again we cannot really confide in what press tells us...

Last Edited by TheNihilistProphet on 09/04/2011 05:09 PM

[link to www.ynetnews.com]

Experts: Turkey crisis can harm Ankara's battle against Kurds

Nice cynicism. Translated, it means: "Israel will increase its support to kurdish terrorist groups".

[link to en.trend.az]

Turkey is taking the first step in its tough measures against Israel

"Following the release of UN Mavi Marmara Report Turkey has increased the dose of its reaction against Israel with 5 different sanctions."

5 sanctions? it means 5 steps and we are at the first to second?...

Well, since Turkey is increasing it's support for Islamic terrorist groups, it's fair game.

return to form, as expected

Nothing will happen, muslims are cowards, inless it is all staged.

Which terrorist groups? which support?

BTW, are you turkish, really?

Well the good thing is that Obama made plan B available without a prescription.

HAMAS for one. And yes, I am. I'm just not an usual Turkish guy you expect to see, that's all.