Spiritual Hierarchies

Deferring to the characteristics of other worldly beings helps us see ourselves better.

You are projecting some weird baggage into your thoughts. There was no mention of releasing our control of destiny to that which is not us. There was no mention of sentient beings removing our Free Will.

Who is worried about aliens and demons? Jeez, you have brought a lot of your bias and baggage of belief into the mix, haven't ya?

Behave how we ought to, or how someone tells us to?


Oh, EDIT TO ADD: Aliens and Demons

Because we are simply biological avatars the house our real being, our souls/spirits. Whatever happened on Earth 25-30000 years ago, all these creation myths, language, art, mathematics, kingship, agriculture, are the direct result of the introduction of souls to primate biological organisms.

Our origins are veiled in mystery and metaphor. But the end result is that we as a species transitioned to soul vessel status 30 Thousand years ago. And this means that we now "know better", even though some forget this. This is speculative on my part, obviously, but I believe this is the correct medium for speculative alternative histories.

Animals are lower than us, we have dominion over them. This is not a license to be cruel or destructive, as many of our fellow humans take out their frustration on animals that don't know any better. Although they are, as everything else, connected to the spiritual, they just aren't on our level.

Yes we have to kill in order to eat. I don't think slaughterhouses are particularly moral or the terrible conditions our livestock are kept in. But we can cull animals humanely in order that they serve their purpose, which is to provide us sustenance.

I understand that I am leaving myself vulnerable, to the why can't higher beings use us the same way? But I think that once we came "online" as a species, we entered into a new existence with more complex rules, and that higher beings, by definition, would not regress to destroying us.

I am at work, wasting time, so I am not sure If I made myself clear enough.

Feels right, Aether. I get the feeling they look at us much as we'd look at an insect colony invading their space. Would you attempt a mind meld with that? You know me, I'm not defending something that would decimate humanity... but I am saying if communication isn't possible or wanted, then how would we stop it? Perhaps that's one reason many have gone to great lengths to prevent mankind from "seeing" the horror of it (from our perspective)? But inside us all, there's the "fear" much as I'm sure there's an internalized fear of insects upon our very world of us. We are Chluthu, too, depending on your species, lol.

OH! Now I know where I saw '26'. Very combative tone, but she was the one that called out Blue Skies thinking that she was some government agent or something...just because of the number of posts BS has.

Deferring to the characteristics of other worldly beings helps us see ourselves better.

You are projecting some weird baggage into your thoughts. There was no mention of releasing our control of destiny to that which is not us. There was no mention of sentient beings removing our Free Will.

Who is worried about aliens and demons? Jeez, you have brought a lot of your bias and baggage of belief into the mix, haven't ya?

Behave how we ought to, or how someone tells us to?


Oh, EDIT TO ADD: Aliens and Demons

OH! Now I know where I saw '26'. Very combative tone, but she was the one that called out Blue Skies thinking that she was some government agent or something...just because of the number of posts BS has.

I was responding to multiple themes in thread. One was that Evil is some unknowable entity that exists in another dimension, or that it is spiritual entities our ancients encountered and misunderstood.

And if you have intimate knowledge of alien personalities, good on ya, but for the other 7 Billion + inhabitants of Earth who do not regularly commune with intergalactic travelers, deferring to their characteristics does not help the issue at hand, which is how to get rid of Evil.

Behaving selflessly is how we ought to behave and not because someone tells us to, because it is right.

Please define baggage for me. I am not sure what you mean by this statement.

I'll make this quick, as I am getting paid right now, and even though this job blows, I have to do some work.

I have no mental baggage concerning aliens and demons. I used the term as a synechdoche for Non-Humans. I know the difference, but it is inconsequential to my point. I should probably stop trying to be funny.

But Humans need to take care of their own Evil. If a species or group of beings exist elsewhere in the Universe, and they have Free Will, then there will be Evil if they have not figured out the deal yet.

We need to worry about ourselves right now. Only humans have the power to fix the human race.

Why does everyone think I am a woman? This is getting funny.

See where I'm going with this now?

The shift in my thinking occurred several years ago. Ants had built a huge hill in the backyard. It was magnificent in scale and scope. Then Tim came in with spray and a shovel and destroyed the burgeoning civilization for the same reason anyone who cares for their lawn will. Then he razed their city with the shovel and I was behind him quoting Oppenhiemer... I have become death, destroyer of worlds... then my own, Behold, the Antpocolypse!

Then, it just felt wrong, lol. And the thought remained.... while his actions would not seem evil or immoral to most humans, to the ants, he was Satan, the great Adversary. I realize I'm planting anthromorphic pictures, the only thing they probably thought was aghhhh, but still, putting myself in their shoes was an uncomfortable sensation.

That being said, recently, he freed a baby Blue Racer lizard from a spider's web and made a friend for life. He carried him out to the landscaping and set him free. The lizard will come and sit beside him while he's working outside. He sees him as a benevolent overlord. I routinely pick up the small shelled snails that wander onto the sidewalk so no one will crush them and I'm inconsolable when I do by accident.

I see this as a lesson in awareness. We think of ourselves as moral and good when we help our fellow man and never think of the havoc we wreak upon those we have "dominion" over if they're small enough to crush underfoot. For the most part. See where I'm going with this now?

i do beau

Go play EDF: insect armagedon. you'll know why people kill ants!


lol. jokes aside. Ants don't fear death like us.

I suppose you know this because you've been an ant? Tell me about that past life, very interesting, lol. We have no clue what ants think. How can we say we know they don't fear death like us? How can we say that anything below us isn't sentient because it's not sentient like us? If we can't communicate with something, truth is we have no idea what it thinks or what it doesn't. We might believe it to be so, but it doesn't make it so.

only us have been missleaded! We are gods of creation, everything we see is everything we created in previous worlds! when you kill an ant, 100 come back.

ants are connected to the spirit of our common mother!
difference is that we are connected as well as to our mother earth as we are connected to all other planets in the solar system!

earth pardon you for all the misshaps you had! why?

because there is no such things as misshaps. Eart loves you and she wants you to discover that!

divine soul = us
Divine spirit = her

LMAO! It was in a thread called, We are being played against each other...

Very apt thread.

Sorry, off topic.

Joe Turner (Robert Redford) is a CIA employee (Condor is his code name) who works in a clandestine office in New York City. He reads books, newspapers, and magazines from around the world, looking for hidden meanings and new ideas. As part of his duties, Turner files a report to CIA headquarters on a low-quality thriller novel his office has been reading, pointing out strange plot elements therein, and the unusual assortment of languages into which the book has been translated.....

You're missing the point entirely by focusing on the details and not the metaphor behind them. By that logic, when we kill or destroy anything out of lust/greed/desire or even necessity, it's ok because it will return stronger. That's the opposite of goodness and morality, IMO. That's the logic humans use to justify their own twisted sense of goodness and morality, sure... but it doesn't make it so. No more than something that sees us as ants thinking the same thing and doing the same thing we do to ants. Get it now?

I'm more of an autumn girl myself... walking that line between worlds and seeing the beauty and horror in both.