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| ~Andariel~
Offer Upgrade  User ID: 35958731  Canada03/13/2013 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. March 13 2013 Please read this PDF file I found...Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack. [link to www.globalsecurity.org] I wrote this little abstract for GLP because knowledge is power. Electro-magnetic pulse or EMP in short can be achieved in 2 ways, by nuclear and by non-nuclear means. Due to the greater threat I will mostly cover the nuclear scenario. There is another way for EMPs to form and that is by solar storms but since its a natural process I will not cover this scenario here.  All nuclear explosions can create EMP's but there are several factors that determine the strength of an EMP burst. If you say the yield of the bomb makes all the difference, you are deadly wrong. The main factor is the altitude of the explosion and after dozens of tests by the USA and Russia back in the late 50' and early 60', they have determined that a 300 miles high detonation would be the most effective. If the explosion is within the atmosphere or too far out in space then there would be little to no EMP effect. This is due to the way an EMP is formed, our Magnetosphere is the key for an EMP to be effective here. The strength of the magnetosphere at the moment of the explosion is another factor.  I will now go into details regarding the actual formation of an EMP. Nuclear EMPs creates a complex multi-pulses and are made up of 3 components and they are called E1, E2 and E3. The E1 pulse occurs very fast, in the order of nanoseconds, and is produced when gamma radiation from the detonation knocks electrons out of atoms in the upper atmosphere. the free electrons then travel in a downward direction at close to the speed of light but here is where the magic happens. As the electrons travel downwards they are captured by Earth's magnetic field and are re-directed in a right angle flow, following the magnetosphere field lines. This causes the EMP to "spread" out a lot further than in the absence of a magnetic field. In short, the interaction with the Earth's magnetic field produces a very large but very brief electromagnetic pulse over the affected area. This is known as the Compton effect and the results are devastating for even the most shielded electronic apparatuses. E1 can be measured in the order of hundreds of KeV's (100,000 electron volts plus) and up to 2 MeV (million electron volts) which was achieved in a 1.44 megaton experimental detonation back in 1962 in the high-altitude test code named "Operation fishbowl" The E2 pulse is generated by scattering gamma rays produced by the weapon neutrons. It lasts a bit longer and behaves like lightning therefore lighting protection devices have a better chance to do their intended jobs. The main problem is the fact that E2 immediately follows E1 which may have already damaged surge protection devices thus leaving the door wide open for E2 to destroy the protected apparatuses.  The E3 pulse is quite different from the first 2, it is very slow and can last 100's of seconds due to it moving the Earth magnetic field out of the way, followed by its restoration to its natural place. E3 acts like a Geomagnetic storm and induces currents in long electrical conductors such as high voltage wires and transformers.  Remember when North Korea conducted those underground tests and US intelligence detected only low yield nuclear explosion? In the order of 3-5 kilotons? Some engineers thought they were failed nuclear detonations but other suspected that they actually were “Super EMP's". Again, I reiterate that to produce an EMP large enough to disable a nation, bigger is not necessarily better. North Korea has only to launch 1 of these in orbit and then guide it above the USA and its game over. Here is an old article I found that substantiates my claim. “Super EMP” Capable of Disabling Power Grid Across Lower 48 States. "For many years U.S. Intelligence agencies believed that North Korea’s nuclear weapons program was a failure due to the low explosive yield of their tests. According to EMPact America’s President and former CIA nuclear weapons analyst Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, this is not the case: North Korea’s last round of tests, conducted in May 2009, appear to have included a “super-EMP” weapon, capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states, says Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, a former CIA nuclear weapons analyst and president of EMPact America, a citizens lobbying group." [link to www.shtfplan.com] Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
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| Maguyver
User ID: 808852 United States03/13/2013 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Yup...this would be BAD. Everything electronic and unprotected just stops. This can happen. Hope not though!  Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30745012 United States03/13/2013 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. That defector ramin kalili guy from Iran? He says thats the goals of our enemies and they work night and day together, to try and pull this off! Its an opertune time? Good God look at our gubment its a joke! |
| ~Andariel~
(OP) User ID: 35958731 Canada03/13/2013 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Good info. What they fail to mention though are the EMP shielded, heavy alloy, orbital bombardment satellites that would reign down unstoppable wrath upon the perpetrator. Should anyone be foolish enough to attempt such shenanigans. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17938575 Perhaps however only 1 EMP device is enough to kill our way of life. Once it detonates its all over. Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
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| ~Andariel~
(OP) User ID: 35958731 Canada03/13/2013 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Yup...this would be BAD. Quoting: Maguyver Everything electronic and unprotected just stops. This can happen. Hope not though! I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30024377 Thank you all for your replies. Don't let current trivial news cloud your judgment. This is a real threat, as real as it can get! Stay vigilant. Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22213196 Canada03/13/2013 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30024377 Here you go ! [link to xa.yimg.com] |
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| ~Andariel~
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| BRIEF
User ID: 381742 United States03/13/2013 12:47 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15751650 Canada03/13/2013 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30024377 I read this book. It is really really scary |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 851753 United States03/13/2013 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Yup...this would be BAD. Quoting: Maguyver Everything electronic and unprotected just stops. This can happen. Hope not though! Stop falling into the fear mongering of people that do not understand anything by people that understand almost nothing about an EMP. Not EVERYTHING will croak. Many things will. anything that has a very long wire attached to it. Many things plugged into your electrical outlets will get roasted. Most things will not. The MOVs will stop it. But, what will happen is transformer dialectric perforation. KABOOM! Many line transformers (that big tin can strapped to the power pole outside your home) will do something between smoke and explode. The grid *WILL* bit the dust. If you've got a generator you can fire it up and go with it. But, be aware, many things that were plugged in may not work even if they were off. It will depend greatly only the makeup of the electrical system in your livingspace. Its very much like a superbolt near strike only it will come from everywhere. Cars and trucks may or may not run after they EMP is over. Depending on if its running or not, where its parked, etc. In most cases, though, I'd expect your vehicle to be fine. Your cell phone won't be OK, though! The tower it used to talk to will be toast. The phone itself will be fine but it will have nothing to talk to. The internet will be fried. The telephone lines will be fried. So, stop the handwringing and figure out how you're going to live without grid power. It can be done, but, you have to think about it. You fear mongerers are just pissing me off... The fact is, the grid going down would be bad enough. We don't need any more fear than that. Your transistor radio will be fine. ...of course there won't be a single station on-air to listen to but the radio will be fine. It would take them years to reconstitute the grid. In the chaos that would insue, its hard to imagine what would happen. I have an idea and its not good. But, you don't need to store your walkie-talkie in a ammo can. Sheoples is so dumb. |
| BRIEF
User ID: 381742 United States03/13/2013 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven?  An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected...  I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30745012 United States03/13/2013 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30024377 Recommended by Newt Gingrich. Great! There you go? Newty trying to tell us something? |
| ~Andariel~
(OP) User ID: 35958731 Canada03/13/2013 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF Aye vacuum tubes ARE better suited against EMPs, not foolproof but much better, however one has to only look at today's technology. Solid state circuitry is everywhere and an EMP detonation WILL destroy them. Computers, phones, TV's, you named it, all gone. Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
| ZeuZ
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30745012 United States03/13/2013 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven? An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected... :Briefandfriends: Roger that ! To bad I sold that " 72" GMC ! |
| BRIEF
User ID: 381742 United States03/13/2013 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF Aye vacuum tubes ARE better suited against EMPs, not foolproof but much better, however one has to only look at today's technology. Solid state circuitry is everywhere and an EMP detonation WILL destroy them. Computers, phones, TV's, you named it, all gone. Don't worry, I can repair my solar and inverters and will let you use a hairdryer for that pretty head of hair you have  I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 851753 United States03/13/2013 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30024377 Bought the book 6 mos ago. Haven't cracked it open yet. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21424455 United States03/13/2013 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. It appears the main reason for HAARP is most likely to defend from an EMP, due to: "If the explosion is within the atmosphere or too far out in space then there would be little to no EMP effect. This is due to the way an EMP is formed, our Magnetosphere is the key for an EMP to be effective here. The strength of the magnetosphere at the moment of the explosion is another factor." |
| BRIEF
User ID: 381742 United States03/13/2013 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF I did not know that brief , thank you! To bad a car can't fit in a microwave oven? An old points model car can quickly be repaired and ready to drive if you keep spare parts protected... Roger that ! To bad I sold that " 72" GMC ! I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Angelic_Warrior
User ID: 23290196 United States03/13/2013 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I haven't read any of the info you provided because I have a fairly good idea of the devastation this would bring on us. This thread irritates me for the same reason the series "24" did. Geeeeeeez .. why give them a play by play how debilitating it would be. This thread should be locked with security clearance mandatory for anyone wanting to get in.    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. I Corinthians 2:14 God doesn't choose favorites.. They choose HIM It is not the greatness of my faith that moves mountains but my faith in the greatness of God |
