Birth Certificate Estate-Two Birthdates Exposed!!!

Since I am reading this thread too, you must consider me part of we and I sure as hell never elected you to any position of control or authority here, did anyone else (besides yourself) give so some sort of jurisdiction over this thread or anyones posts in it?

lol, you should really get that bothersome spot betwen your ears examined by a professional, maybe it would help.

Perhaps the issuance of minted gold and silver by FVEY (and likely other "countries" since the City of London's reach is much further than solely FVEY) is not for merely "stacking" but for providing the remedy to take back one's body, soul and mind. As red text guy rightly points out, if one is still a slave/indentured servant then they can not claim rightful ownership of anything, their "stacked" gold and silver included. The definition of redeem in Black's Law isn't about converting one kind of note to another. It's about buying back something, such as an estate by paying a debt. Similar to how pawn shops operate, yes?

The bond(s) still exists! Individuals should seek to remove themselves from bondage, not simply from IRS harassment.

I think 12USC411 has been massively misinterpreted. One can redeem their estate with lawful money, gold and silver.

let me ask you this first. are you really interested in having an honorable discussion on this topic?

im the first to admit that I dont know all the answers regarding the birth events. Im also a recovering knowitall so I see the value in being open to others interpretations.

where I have problems is when people start making claims as if they are true when its only what theyve been told was true. I was there too but i realized it and know Im working to better myself by no longer just accepting the claims others make without proof.

many perceive this as a personal attack just as you seem to have here and so they go into a tantrum when all it really is is someone else who doesnt blindly buy into some idea or other but trying to better understand it before deciding it for themselves.


ya see, I read what you just wrote here and I see a bunch more claims that may or may not be correct.

Ive read from others about the land survey and it seems plausable. rob ryder even registered his BC in the land records back in 2011

if you or anyone can act honorable, I will return the honor but if others act dishonorably, I try not to return dishonor and that is also hard sometimes but Ive goten better at it.

now, my answer to your question is that i do not own anything. nothing. a claim of ownership is a claim to be owned IMO i got that from imbatman57 and it sticks with me becasue it rings true to me YMMV

Admittedly the trust aspect is not my strong suit but...

Your property is your body, soul and mind and is held in trust until you claim it. If you do not claim it then it is lost property and subject to be "salvaged". Again, pirate maritime law. Most people do not claim their property so the pirates use it for their own gain.

I agree 12 usc has been massively mis-applicated and misinterpreted by Congress and the US government in general.

FRNs are not authorised for public use. Thers is no getting around the fact 12 USC 411 only authorises one use for the notes and only by "agents" of the Federal reserve.

If you have Federal Reserve Note in you pocket or in an account, you are either a Federal Reserve agent or you are breaking the law, there is no other option.

Again, you cannot buy anything with Federal Reserve Notes, nowhere is that authorised in law. Tender means to hold out or offer in place of "payment".

Since yiu cannot lawfully "buy" gold or silver without a demand for redemption from 12 USC, you are rightfully obligated to pay the debt for the notes you endorse and use.

open endorsement or endorsement in blank on any paper can only be used for one thing, to transfer an EXISTING OBLIGATION TO PAY A DEBT.

So, congress owes a debt obligation to the Federal Reserve, you go and sign that check (blank on the back) you do not get that amount of "money" you simply assume the obligation to pay that amount to the Federal Reserve in goods and services.

Nobody told you you could not "restrict" your endorsement and refuse FRNs and demand redemption of the check in money issued by 31 usc 5115, right?

so again, without a demand and restricted endorsement that gold and silver you got to "redeem" the BC bond was never paid for by you and is NOT your property. Since it is not yours, anything you get with it belongs to the title holder (in this case the Federal Reserve).

You cannot claim lawful money unless and until you can prove YOU are not assuming debt with every FRN you posses or endorse opnely. The law must be fullfilled and remedy must be accepted before it can have any lawful effect.

If you are operating your affairs without a demand for redemption via 12 USC 411, you cannot own property or claim any goods or services (including gold and silver) are "yours". That is not how it works. no matter what the DEBTOR IS ALWAYS SUBJECT TO THE CREDITOR.

All this talk about the US Citizen being the creitor to the US is utter crap, the citizens are the debtors by assuming debt with every single open endorsment or use of FRNs without redemption.

else why would the "national debt" be divided by every "man, woman and CHILD" in the US?

if i was not interested in discussion (honorable) I would not still be here.
As stated, I was on the BC trail over a decade ago, but I saw that NOTHING connects me with that "thing" accept my own confession. I was in law enforcement for many years and come to find out, the info on the COLB (and I assume on the BC) was a complete fabrication. My listed mother was not my Mother at all. I will not go into the details because it is ALL heresay and there is no record of where, when or from who I was actually born.

So, me being as truthful as I possibly could, I attempted to "correct" the records. I left my job working in the legal system because my "vital records" were not true and I could no longer in good faith "swear" to it being factual.

This admission was not taken well by court officials to attempted at every turn to get me to claim the recorded info as being "me" or "mine" which I would not do.

Guess what happend over the course of several years? I told the truth and would not claim ANY LEGAL DATA AS BEING "me" or "mine" and the courts, judges simply left me alone. The cops arrested me for "failure to ID" and I stated the truth on the record in "a" court of law and did not converse or answer to the judge and after 72 hours, the doors of the jail were opended and I walked away, never to hear from them again.

That included fingerprinting and the whole deal, none of it is mine and i claimed NO identity nor agreed with them "calling" me any title, I rebutted everything they called me and never gave them what they needed to come against me.

This is why I do not think that BC has anthing to do with self evident truth. I am that I am, no titles needed.

BUT, my endorsement and assumption of the national debt obligations are 100% a matter of contract agreement. The reason I teach redemption AND refusal od FRNS is because none of this BC stuff sticks to me, not one bit of it.

But that goes for anyone because an infant cannot be held to a contract, feet prints or not. Unless some government agent actually produceses that BC (whatever it is or is not) even matching my or your feet to the prints on the BC, it means NOTHING until you agree it means something.

"all just powers of Government" come from CONSENT of the Governed. I have simply learned by trial, error and telling the truth as It is how exactly does one "consent" to be governed.

I take this extemely personal because of the price I have paid to learn what I have learned, I do not mean to diminish the costs to others on this quest, I just feel like I have had to litterally give up every earthly possesion to be where I am but it really bothers me when people act like I am not living proof of everything I share with others.

I am my own proof, I do not and probably could not provide "proof" enough to convince anyone anyway. I only know what I have done and exaclty what the results have been and why it makes sense to me.

Red text guy, the definition of redeem is about paying off a debt so how are you interpreting it as an exchange?

[link to thelawdictionary.org]

"To buy back. To liberate an estate or article from mortgage or pledge by paying the debt for which it s^ood as security. To repurchase in a literal sense; as, to redeem one's land from a tax-sale."

Since, as you point out, FRNs can not "buy" anything nor "pay" for anything, how does your definition of 12USC411 square with the actual definition of "redeem"?

Ive heard another say the same about the COLB on a legal deception talkshoe call. there must be something to that but the COLB i have is a certified copy of and it has moms handwriting everywhere except the two signatures of the "medical attendant" and the "local registrar". mom said that it is also a copy of the document that my footprints were made on at the bottom but that part was cut off from the copy. it is also interesting in that my certified copy of COLB was attained by mom when I was only 6yo, I think for school purposes but it was before the 7 year period.

Im trying to get another copy now but havnt been able to as of yet. they dont even list it as available in any documents or websites here so Im not sure yet how to obtain another.

they do have two different types of BC indicated as available. one with what they call "pen in hand" signatures and another without it. not sure what the differences is but I ordered them and am waiting on them to be mailed now.

I just want to compare everything on all the ones I can obtain to look for any clues. Ive never had a BC myself and the COLB i mentioned is what I used to get a DL and SSN which may have been a mistake by them to accept back then?

no passport but Ive been looking into those lately aswell. seems there are four types, each with different color book. a blue is citizen, a red is diplomate, a black is govt agent and a brown is state national. at least from the info (brown not official info) Ive been able to find. seems the brown one is the best to have if that info is correct because it is not issued by US but by USA.

also, the direction youve taken is the one imbatman57 went in as far as not claiming name and he's the guy that started iamsomedude on his path of discovering how its all operating in usufruct.

I also find this direction compelling and ATM Im at a fork in this road between that direction and the one KW talks about with the BC being only proof that an organization was organized, we were appointed and that appointment was ratified the first time we used the BC (which in my unique case has never happened) and when ratified, he says were become a state agent, operating a state agency and we can either resign as agent or sue for back pay and payment plan for operating the agency.

I think you should start a new thread specifically on lawful money though because I have spent countless hours lurking on STSC forum and have been able to understand the theory for the most part. you seem to have the best way of teaching it than anyone else there! ive read your posts there and you just get right to it without all the rabbit hole sidetracks or other seemingly crazy directions all the other posters go with it. it is so bad there that it almost defeats the purpose of having a forum specifically for it.

the theories merrill talks about seem to have some merit, but he is too far out and as I mention completely suspect to me for reasons I wont go into here but they are indeed valid reasons for suspicion. but the theories such as R4c and LOR are quite substantial ones IMO its just that the lawful money part of his ideas seems misleading but to explain why here is getting into conspiratorial areas and ideas so wont go into that.

what is most important to me right now is getting to the bottom of exactly what these matrix documents are! with proof and not speculation. its not easy because of all the changes to them through time and with each state having different terminology that also changes but the docs COLB & BC are definately a key issue in all of this stuff.

thanks for your thoughtful and honorable reply to my last post.

we all need to set our differences aside and work together to try and make things better for the future generations here. I want to clean up this mess more for those yet unborn than myself even.

13th Amendment abolished slavery, following the EP.
[link to www.government-and-constitution.org]

When this new 13th was enacted, it REPLACED the original 13th Amendment. The original 13th prohibited people with titles of nobility (like lawyers, due to their possible allegiance to foreign powers like Britain) from holding public office. Lincoln's declaration of martial law eventually led to the Act of 1871 that created the corporate "US"!

In effect, the EP and new 13th Amendment abolished slavery under the original Constitution but enacted slavery for EVERYONE under the new corporate Constitution.

I dont think there is anyway to get a certified copy of that original 13th amendment constitution.

and im not sure if relying on any constitution for emancipation is the way to go. it could be that we are not a party to that constituency. some are saying the articles of confederation with bill of rights is a better direction for those in the original 13 states and i think it is the northwest ordinance for the rest of the states.

reviewing more from KW and his direction, he has actually made his own BC without the US and has used it with success as a counter deed to the dept of commerce BC.

thats after he resigned the agency of the US entity created by the BC.

I only posted that to provide further historical context since most people are pretty ignorant of the true history that created the current system. One of the biggest keys to unwinding the system is to know the history that created it. Then can one start to reverse engineer it, if you will.

knowing history is not a simple task. IMO unless it is in the official records and certified copys of it can be obtained then it is hearsay.

I was just looking into the State of Franklin and how that was the only land that was ever owned here that was owned in alodial because it was paid in full to the cherokee indian nations (supposedly)

this part of history was erased much like that 13th and so without certifiable records there is no way to verify the authenticity.

there must be something to the State of Franklin story though and it must be something big becasue I remember reading about the fed siezing all records at the Franklin NC courthouse just recently (a few years ago) but now I cant find anything about it. I didnt know about the State of Franklin when I heard the seizure story but at the time I knew something was up. the locals did also. the story was that the fed literally stole all the old records from that court house.

this is also why they were burning so many courthouses during the wars. to erase verifiable histories.

Treasury Direct form 1455 is interesting. Check it out.

Here's a link about the Franklin NC records being destroyed
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Another
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Of course an MSM outlet says it was because of "mold", while the blog above postulated that the records contained "inconvenient" land records information about true holders of land, mostly slaves.

More details from that first blog entry:
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Definitely an interesting and fishy story. Had to be some very inconvenient information that someone badly wanted destroyed.

thanks, I couldnt find anything with yahoo, must have not used the right search terms.

I dont think any of what those reports say is correct except that those priceless records were stolen.

some have said that there was never a peace treaty when the civil war ended and that only the lead general surrendered along with his troops.

so maybe it is true that the war never ended? this act of agression in Franklin certainly reeks of acts of war, no?

TBH, I dont need any history or records to come to the conclusion that there is a covert war ongoing.

I see it with every interaction with so called public officials of any sort and also the militarization of all police.

that is actually how I got started on this path. Im sorta rare like that I guess becasue most in the law movement seem to have found the path through some sort of troubling issues like forclosures, IRS, etc.

I live not very far from Franklin and have a lot of family roots in the area and further south. Your thoughts do match with some of what I heard growing up. How could Lee surrender for the entire south? He was technically only the general for Virginia! Also, fits with how martial law was never rescinded and remains in effect today and is (quietly) continually reauthorized by Congress.

The Franklin story did make me think about the blog writer's theory of inconvenient records being destroyed whenever found. Most of the "carpet baggers" were actually Jewish families from the north, likely connected to the Jewish bankers that fomented the Civil War in the first place (some things never change, eh? history seems to be repeating). If the war was based on "slavery", it's rarely mentioned that the vast majority of the slave trade was conducted by Jews! They then used the same piracy tactics to seize land and build fortunes in the south in the aftermath of the war. There are some very prominent Jewish families here that I'm sure would be exposed as thieves and pirates if original post-CW records were inspected, hence the rush to destroy any evidence of the real history and concerted efforts to re-write and hide history.

Did you take a look at Treasury form 1455?

i have looked at the 1455. it is still beyond my grasp as to what it is for exactly. the instructions for "use of form" indicate that it is used to establish entitlement as well as request distribution of securities.

I need to review the old thread and materials related to it again to get a better perspective on the usage of that form and how it may be useful for me if at all.

this is flirting with disaster if it ever was! the potential risks and rewards are great it seems.

Franklin is a beautiful territory, Gods country, my roots are not far from there either.

the official explanation as to why there was never a treaty is that that would have legitimized the confederacy as an independent nation and so the feds do not want that.

about the birth cert., in jooish folklore there is what is called a golum, read up on it if interested but i think it is possible that the entity created by the BC is just that and we give it life when we ratify that appointment as KW says.

thats far out, just a theory that ive put together along the way. havent heard anyone else speak or write about either. i could be way off but the more i consider it, the more it makes sense to me.

what are your thoughts on the 1455?

thanks

i mis spelled it. it is actually golem. read the wiki page on it while keeping in mind what i mentioned that it is the BC.

from
iamsomedude(dot)com(slash)import(dot)html

"This is guaranteed thru Article 1 Section 10 which prohibits any interference with a contract for the Colb/BC combo is a contract under seal of state wherein one could escape or emancipate themself from servitude by and thru settling the lien against the person imported by way of ADOPTION BY REGISTRATION of BIRTH EVENT creating an EXCISE TAXABLE EVENT of which is imposed LAWFULLY thru the Constitution and allows the STATUTORY LEINS and CREATURES OF STATUTE to attach to your interests (estate) and allows those same STATUTORY CREATIONS to ADMINISTRATE those interests and if a man's interests are subject to ADMINISTRATION, then the man is subject to ADMINISTRATION."

see the whole page for complete context. Boris is adamant that the COLB&BC is a contract. but if it is it seems to me it was an unconscionable one.

i think his direction ties in the 1455 also at some point although not openly published except for a brief mention in on of the videos "gathering of the tribes"

he has went to great efforts to explain his views on this whole deal and is the only one left that does not charge people for his information now that kurtis k. has started to.

Re: Form 1455
The "Use of Form" section is about terminating a trust and and taking possession of the securities (bonds) created under the trust. It is your estate but is being held in trust, with daddy gov't managing your affairs for you. All of the listed reasons in the Use of Form section legally apply to what we are trying to obtain.

1) Terminate the trust created by the all caps BC.

2) Distribution of the estate that we are entitled to but has been fraudulently misappropriated by the pirates.

3) Attaining majority means maturing to the proper age to manage one's own estate.

4) We are deemed incompetent under the system because we are not able to manage our own affairs until we claim our estate.

Also, the table listing examples of securities clearly shows the all caps name and account numbers, which are presumably trust account numbers. I can't see any purpose for 1455 except to take back securities that are ours but are held in trust by the gov't. That could be "normal" savings bonds but also the bonds created by the BC and SS acct.

I think the next step should be to see if a bond broker can verify that bonds associated with the birth registration doc numbers and SS# are on the markets. Seen much second hand info saying so but need to verify personally.

iamsomedude link is interesting. If lawful and constitutional excise tax of $10 is assessed but never paid, thus creating the lien, could the payment amount be $10 in face value gold and/or silver? 1/4oz gold eagle, 10 silver eagles, etc? I do remember reading on one site (not sure what it was now) about a guy that turned in a bunch of silver eagles as "surety".

thanks for the breakdown.

Im not sure about terminating any trust just yet but Ive been covering so many different angles on the BC it gets confusing. also, you presume we are entitled, how is that exactly? and about the pirates, Im under the impression that we have been the pirates and commuting a trustee de son tort out of ignorance by using the BC.

the pirates of the Caribbean link explained that angle pretty good i thought.

"claiming our estate" yeah, thats another sticky issue for me. Im not sure any claims are the best course of action just yet. I know I didnt create any of the such.

let me know if the broker review angle pans out.. i think the quesip (sp?) numbers are what is needed for what your trying to get at. somehow you get that from the BC #, boris covered that formula, said it pissed off alot of people who were charging for that info too. lol

whaever you can verify, please let me know and i will do the same also, ok?

im looking more into 1455 ATM and found usdirectexpress(dot)com which may be the so called black card
i found it on the publicdebt(dot)treas(dot)gov site which I found by a search on "bureau of fiscal services" which is what is listed on the 1455.

now Im looking to see if I can verify the OMB number listed on the form, from what I understand, all forms must have valid OMB# for the form itself to be valid.

sovereign citizen poppycock

Nobody has ever collected a dime with this stuff.

FS Form 5179 is interesting aswell.

for the poster looking for remedy about how to get children under 7 out of this mess, do a search for "bcertP.pdf" and you should find it from a site ecclesia(dot)org

I think the estate is ours since it is our labor that gives it value. There must be a valuable estate before there can be a trust. The trust is created to manage the estate. You are for sure correct that the complications make it difficult to figure out. I still think it's being made more complicated than it actually is, though. Occultists put their tricks right in front of our faces and laugh at how we don't see it. Seems to me this wouldn't be any different. That is why I looked into the metals face value as a possible solution.

and about the pirates, Im under the impression that we have been the pirates and commuting a trustee de son tort out of ignorance by using the BC.

the pirates of the Caribbean link explained that angle pretty good i thought.

I will review the Pirates links again. I read them some time ago. Perhaps it will help me refine my position.


"claiming our estate" yeah, thats another sticky issue for me. Im not sure any claims are the best course of action just yet. I know I didnt create any of the such.

I don't mean claim in a court sense, like a claim for relief. Just generic term for taking back ownership and administration of, whatever the method may be.


let me know if the broker review angle pans out.. i think the quesip (sp?) numbers are what is needed for what your trying to get at. somehow you get that from the BC #, boris covered that formula, said it pissed off alot of people who were charging for that info too. lol

whaever you can verify, please let me know and i will do the same also, ok?

Do you have a link to this information by Boris? No idea who that is but that formula sounds very important. I'm not sure a run-of-the-mill employee at the local Fidelity branch knows how to convert a COLB/SS to CUSIPs.


im looking more into 1455 ATM and found usdirectexpress(dot)com which may be the so called black card
i found it on the publicdebt(dot)treas(dot)gov site which I found by a search on "bureau of fiscal services" which is what is listed on the 1455.

now Im looking to see if I can verify the OMB number listed on the form, from what I understand, all forms must have valid OMB# for the form itself to be valid.


Not sure what you mean about verifying the OMB number. Why would that be a concern? The form is on Treas website.

A few other thoughts:

Is the Crown simply squatting on the 'name' by copyrighting the name before an individual's age of majority? Seems to me the names are actually ours. If I legally can not administer my own estate until I am age of majority, how can someone claim legal ownership for something that they also prohibit me from legally claiming on my own? I was thinking about how Trump uses his "legal name" as his business name and how that figures into all this. Thoughts? That's how rich people do it...they put the liabilities and assets under a corporation, sometimes with their own "name" as the corporate name.

"Own nothing but control everything." - a Rockefeller quote iirc.

I think some clues can be obtained from understanding how they do it. I'm also convinced that part of ascending through occult groups like freemasonry is that the keys to this system are taught.

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Reviewing 12USC411, I find it curious that there is both "Federal Reserve" and "Federal reserve". For such an important piece of legislation for the bankers, I have a hard time believing they would be so flippant with capitalization. Perhaps "reserve" refers to something different than "Reserve"? A "Federal Reserve" notation refers to the bank. What does a "Federal reserve" notation refer to? 412 says "Federal Reserve notes"

Sorry, in above post the quote feature didn't work like I thought it would.

somebody just dropped in some very heavy info on iamsomedudes forum under the topic title "Principal owner of the Birth Certificate"

i highly suggest that anyone seriously researching this topic to go there now and download all 474mb of data in that link.

first post, first link.



im thinking the name is their property since they created it. we have a given name and a family or clan name but they combine them to create the legal name.

trump is not his given name or clan name from what some have said.

the govt style manual covers the proper usage of capital letters.

where id red text guy go?