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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Is Sacramento in serious danger?

That's what we've all been wondering. I believe so.
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Sacramento is always in danger every Seasonal Spring Flooding time.
pay no attention to them.
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Please don't give false assurance, everyone should try to study this and make the best decisions you can. If the entire area breeches it could reach Modesto.
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watching a live stream right now with the emergency spillway on the right and dam on the left... how?!

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thats not live footage of the spillway. its a lot darker here in cali now
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ok... live or not, why is it reversed?
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watching a live stream right now with the emergency spillway on the right and dam on the left... how?!

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Can't be live.
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Sacramento is always in danger every Seasonal Spring Flooding time.
pay no attention to them.
 Quoting: Deplorable bluecandle


How can you say that?!?! This is not seasonal flooding!!!

Even if the dam breaches at the spill way, the water is a wall of death. Why would you put serious comments down???
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Oroville Dam will only be ankle deep by the time it gets to Sacramento.
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Moving at 30 plus miles per hour. You can stand in that and not be swept away? Ignorance is not bliss.
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it won't be moving at no 30 mph by the time it gets
to Sacrament either. it'll just be kind's oozing in, like a fart.
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Is Sacramento in serious danger?

That's what we've all been wondering. I believe so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73778504


Sacramento is always in danger every Seasonal Spring Flooding time.
pay no attention to them.
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Are you serious?
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Is Sacramento in serious danger?

That's what we've all been wondering. I believe so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73778504


Sacramento is always in danger every Seasonal Spring Flooding time.
pay no attention to them.
 Quoting: Deplorable bluecandle


How can you say that?!?! This is not seasonal flooding!!!

Even if the dam breaches at the spill way, the water is a wall of death. Why would you put serious comments down???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24449894


Oroville Dam will only be ankle deep by the time it gets to Sacramento.
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in theory, with dry ground, yes. however, the whole area is already saturated, if not flooded. none of that water will be absorbed by the ground.
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Nobody answered....any ideas on why the big light shining on the spillway....for televised coverage of the doom event...it's a big light!!
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To see when it busts open.
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Lake Oroville does have a lot of fault lines around it.

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That's a lot of fuck offs.
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Is Sacramento in serious danger?

That's what we've all been wondering. I believe so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73778504


Sacramento is always in danger every Seasonal Spring Flooding time.
pay no attention to them.
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Are you serious?
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well, if yer gonna build yer city in a river bottom what do you expect?
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watching a live stream right now with the emergency spillway on the right and dam on the left... how?!

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This is spam
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Nobody answered....any ideas on why the big light shining on the spillway....for televised coverage of the doom event...it's a big light!!
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To see when it busts open.
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I think it's so they can keep tabs on it and see what is going on and how bad it is.
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watching a live stream right now with the emergency spillway on the right and dam on the left... how?!

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thats not live footage of the spillway. its a lot darker here in cali now
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ok... live or not, why is it reversed?
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There are backwards messages in airing it in reverse.
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So when this thing blows, how much of the Sac valley will it take with it? Is Sacramento in serious danger?
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YES!
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Whoa!!!! What's the worst case scenario here? How deep for how long?
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I answered this 200 pages ago. It's bad. Sacramento would be in real trouble if this happens.
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Yes,the Sacramento river is now running close to flood stage and goes through the capital. If the dam breaks you would have a surge and the Sacramento River known as: "The Nile of California" would totally flood Sacramento.
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How can you say that?!?! This is not seasonal flooding!!!

Even if the dam breaches at the spill way, the water is a wall of death. Why would you put serious comments down???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24449894


Oroville Dam will only be ankle deep by the time it gets to Sacramento.
 Quoting: Deplorable bluecandle


Moving at 30 plus miles per hour. You can stand in that and not be swept away? Ignorance is not bliss.
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it won't be moving at no 30 mph by the time it gets
to Sacrament either. it'll just be kind's oozing in, like a fart.
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[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Everyone is different. The prob here is that there is already saturated ground and standing water downstream.

The guberment ain't telling you the whole story.
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watching a live stream right now with the emergency spillway on the right and dam on the left... how?!

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wtf
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well, then, if the Main Spillway is fine, then they
won't need the Emergency Spillway.
 Quoting: Deplorable bluecandle


You mean the main waterfall carving a gorge ever higher and higher up the slope?
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Those two areas dug out on either side by the rampaging water could be the weakest link.

If the carving goes up towards the lake, the water pressure from the lake could move the earth in a hurry with the lake water following right behind.

Once the slightest breach occurs, it'll quickly become massive, thereby allowing the lake to gush down into the valley.
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Yes. The side of the emergency spillway has huge washouts. My guess is that there is no way this dam holds for another 2 days. Sending men in there to try to shore it up, somehow, is sending them to their death.
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Totally agree. Maybe it lasts longer than two days, but it could happen any minute as well. The water is relentlessly pounding the ground. So that water is traveling underground through osmosis weakening it as it goes with no end in sight.

Total unmitigated disaster once it tips beyond the balance point.
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It all goes down Saturday night! Around 7PM PST... you heard it here first!!
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Friday 7PM PST
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Yep I wager Friday too.
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It's a Biblical flood date too!

Genesis 7:11

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.
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Oroville Dam will only be ankle deep by the time it gets to Sacramento.
 Quoting: Deplorable bluecandle


Moving at 30 plus miles per hour. You can stand in that and not be swept away? Ignorance is not bliss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24449894


it won't be moving at no 30 mph by the time it gets
to Sacrament either. it'll just be kind's oozing in, like a fart.
 Quoting: Deplorable bluecandle


[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Everyone is different. The prob here is that there is already saturated ground and standing water downstream.

The guberment ain't telling you the whole story.
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pretty much , this
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Note to Brian. Don't live under a dam.
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The Spillway, not the Damn has suffered major Damage due to unexpected erosion. The flows have currently been halted. That is all the info I have read so far.


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324 pages of FAKE DOOM. GLP folks needing their daily fix.

Visiting GLP for over 10.years and it wholeheartedly deserves an Academy Award for all the FAKE DOOM propoganda...all based on emotion and not actual real facfs. All the so-called armchair DOOM experts. Makes me want to vomit.

You can't handle the truth.

Nothiing to see here folks. Move along. Moving along.
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Is Sacramento in serious danger?

That's what we've all been wondering. I believe so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73778504


they're having levy breaches and "imminent" breaches now, without most of Oroville Lake in them. So yes, I agree..
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It all goes down Saturday night! Around 7PM PST... you heard it here first!!
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Friday 7PM PST
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Yep I wager Friday too.
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It's a Biblical flood date too!

Genesis 7:11

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.
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I don't think February is the Hebrew second month
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Before you all jump on the conspiracy wagon, let's talk about a few simple facts.

A drought has affected the west for 10+ years.

I'm sure the budget for dam maintenance / inspection was trimmed way back.

The spillway likely needed a concrete grout patch through the expansion joints which probably wasn't in "the deficit budget".

Sadly, it's when you need the spillway, you discover that the repair budget should of been approved, and the spillway repair has now grown to a tremendous amount of money.

It is possible to drop loads of rock and "hot mix concrete" into the breech to prevent further erosion.
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 Quoting: Switchback 74039853


They can patch the spillway, but the size of the undercut will be a concern until late summer.

Right now, they are in a catch 22.
You release the water, it keeps chewing at the dam support, so you must stop the flow, throw everything you got into that hole, and throw hot mix concrete on top.then hope the support holds until summer.
There is no choice, the spring runoff water is coming, it might be best to let it run over the top, while you repair that spillway.

Im guessing there is a huge amount of helicopters and remote concrete plant equipment being built ASAP.
They will drop massive amounts into that hole and then seal it with hot batch concrete.
No other options.

How would you like to be that contractor?
Hell that dam could bust!

I'd love to be on that job.
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^^ this
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So when this thing blows, how much of the Sac valley will it take with it? Is Sacramento in serious danger?
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YES!
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Whoa!!!! What's the worst case scenario here? How deep for how long?
 Quoting: Mehitable 61799483


A large portion of the Central Valley would be underwater by many tens of feet (at least), for tens of thousands of years; major (permanent) weather pattern changes. Water levels will continue to rise greatly, especially after snowmelt...

doom?
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The Spillway, not the Damn has suffered major Damage due to unexpected erosion. The flows have currently been halted. That is all the info I have read so far.


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 Quoting: USA480

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324 pages of FAKE DOOM. GLP folks needing their daily fix.

Visiting GLP for over 10.years and it wholeheartedly deserves an Academy Award for all the FAKE DOOM propoganda...all based on emotion and not actual real facfs. All the so-called armchair DOOM experts. Makes me want to vomit.

You can't handle the truth.

Nothiing to see here folks. Move along. Moving along.
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This is sure taking the heat off WW3 and Fukushima, perhaps on purpose...panic sets in..a dam might burst...wtf...i worry more about Fukushima...we all should

this is maybe..a distraction? to hide the real threat..worried :(
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Not really - its hardly being covered at the moment, sites like CNN are more worried about fucking overrated Beyonce and if the grammies are racist.
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Cant stand Adele...nor Beyonce...lots on uk news about the dam..fk all about Fukushima...tossers are hiding stuff, we are just little plebs...and we are expected to play the stupid game, say nothing..carry on :(
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It all goes down Saturday night! Around 7PM PST... you heard it here first!!
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Friday 7PM PST
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Yep I wager Friday too.
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nope. the Dam will burst on Saturday.
it's gonna take some time for it all to reach a catastrophic crescendo.
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This dam was doomed the moment the spillway was damaged.

Now, it is just a matter of time. They know it, too.

They initially had the main spillway running at a low flow rate and made the decision to use the emergency spillway.

Did you notice how in a panic, they cranked the main spillway up so much, it lowered the lake? Why did they not do that in the first place?

Because they know using the main spillway is going to erode the cliff towards the dam.

So there will come a point where they will shut the main spillway when the erosion becomes critical.

At that point, the lake will rise back to 901+ (look at the rain coming) and then water will once again flow over the emergency spillway, eroding that hill and then compromising the cement structure of the lip of the emergency spillway.

Now, I would take that failure over the dam itself failing. There is a chance it could stop at the emergency spillway and just flow over. I guess that depends on the geology.

They are taking the failure of the emergency spillway over the dam itself failing.
 Quoting: Brown Chicken Brown Cow


Here are some pictures I posted about 50 pages ago. It shows how much erosion has actually happened. I can't see them running that spill way for 6 full days the current flow...

Their fucked if they do.. and fucked if they don't... their fucked.

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Scroll down to see the comparison.
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Sorry wasn't logged in.

Use the telephone lines as a reference

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This is proof that it's only a matter of time from the entire dam is compromised. When the equilibrium is no longer there, the earth at the top of the dam is likely to give way,. Once that starts, the water will hammer the breach like a mofo. Thar she blows.

It could take a couple days or it could be happening this instance.
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Anyone know what the RIV/REL column stands for in the chart?

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I'd guess river release - how much of the spillway water is reaching the river.
Just a guess, though. Sorry if everyone else came up with the same.
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I'm not so sure it's a good idea to display images of the giant undercut that's happening under that spillway.
It will just freak people out.

They may have asked the media to back off so they can fix it... As best they can.

I suspect they will drop loads of rock by air, and then a massive amount of concrete which will cure in 1 hour.

It's the size of the undercut that's got them concerned. The water entering that hole is washing out the back side support of the dam. Nobody can really know the size of that hole by now... They have to risk that, and fill the void with everything they have.

That town is at risk until July.
I'm not sure they will lift the evacuation until they get a peek at the size of the undercut into the dam support below the spillway.
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