The soul is not immortal

You are a AI not a real human? the thoughts you claim are just bits of code uploaded to you and yet you take credit for them.Nothing more than false robotic prophet.

Matthew 25:46

Hang in there Photine

John 5:24

2 Peter chap 3 verses 9+10

2nd Timothy chapter 1 verse 10

Interesting thread, but not for the reasons one might think. At one time or another, I am sure that I have addressed some of the things Photine has mentioned and never had the backlash that he is getting right now. I have to admit, however, that I understand much of the anger, frustration and outright bitterness. I'm pretty sure that the debate would have been just as hot and heavy IF I even cared to debate which I don't. I've always made that clear.

Within the beliefs of SDA's there are MANY things which we believe that should not even be discussed, not because there isn't value in it. Some things simply cannot be reconciled this side of eternity. Several subjects cause only division and bring heavy emotions into play.

The Truth is the Truth, and that is a bottom line. The real question is "Does this have a bearing on salvation?"

We could probably spend all day talking about some things such as the Trinity, and never get to a point upon which we could all agree on. The fact of the matter is, almost every viewpoint could make a VALID point that fits in with their belief system. As much as we disparage the beliefs of the Catholic system, (and MANY DO here), there is much in that system which elevates the soul to heights that could not be reached in any other way. The elevating music, the lofty and inspiring Cathedral, the unimaginably beautiful organ music, the inspired choir, the beautiful art, the ceremonies that inspire confidence and unshakable belief, and much more. No one can deny that Catholics are one of the most loyal groups on Earth. Of course, they are not the only ones that have unshakable beliefs.

SOME of the comments were heartbreaking. Some were just mean and cruel. Some were DELIBERATELY demeaning and some were secondarily so, but just as demeaning. Is the doctrine of the Immortality of the soul a salvation issue? Is the issue of Sunday worship a salvation issue? Although SDA's consider these two "issues" as the two greatest lies of Satan, (both constructed by a religious system by their own admission and NOT Scripturally sound), it is not the belief system per se that can become a salvation issue. In the end, it is about God the Father.

Scripture (as important as it is to the Christian), is NOT the judge of human character in many peoples eyes. Is THAT a salvation issue? Of course it isn't (as horrifying as that may sound to most). I know people who don't know a lick of Scripture, but their heart is pure, their character profound, their charity impeccable and second to none. Does this make them LESS deserving of eternal life? Of course it doesn't--no more than a person who knows the Scripture IN DEPTH but persecutes his fellow man does.

I FIRMLY BELIEVE (from my study Scripture) that there will be many in the Heavenly Kingdom who have never seen the Word in any shape or form. The Word is NOT the only way that God speaks to us. Although the earth is not anywhere as beautiful as what it was before sin entered this world. Yet, there is still much to glean from the "shadow of beauty" in a blade of grass, the field of flowers, the puffy clouds or the interaction between natural enemies in the animal kingdom. Even God's POWER and His Everlasting Divinity can be seen in the things that He has made.

Every single one of us has some error in their lives, their lifestyles, their belief systems or even in perception. Those of us who study the Scriptures, study it with that FACT in mind. We are woeful creatures and the heart is deceitful. Who can know it? This is what the Scripture tells us. It doesn't tell us that we are DESERVING, that it is our BIRTHRIGHT, or suffering gives us a free ride. More than ANYTHING, it shows how we are all in this together and the CHARACTER OF OUR GOD tells us that we have ALL fallen short of the ideal. It's not an US vs THEM situation. God loves ALL of us with a love that none of us can truly understand. But HE wants us to understand and He instills in us a desire to help others understand and not want them to suffer or die or write them off as "unworthy".

In the FINAL analysis, it is God who is on TRIAL. He PURPOSELY allows this AS PART OF THE SALVATION PLAN. What do we think of our God? What do we think of His plan? This is what is on trial. He instituted a system that has spanned millenia, minutely arranging every detail so that not one soul be lost if at all possible. I could talk for hours about His benevolence, but even then, there would be some who disbelieve and outright deny His existence. Even then, He is willing to give every benefit of doubt. Can we do any less?

I give Photine every benefit of doubt, even though I may not agree with some tactics. He is TRYING in the face of all kinds of disparaging remarks. I'm sure that much of this is mysterious to him, but God gives us mysteries to command our faith. I am appreciative of the many genuine responses on this thread. Humility is a character trait that is difficult to express when under fire. I hope some of you take that into consideration. With that said, I won't debate these issues. Some things are just not worth the time while some things are worth dying for.

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brilliant as always the Greeks

Not once Ray Kurzweil has his way.

Is it true that all dogs go to heaven?

It seems analogous to computer hardware/software.

Apple code couldn't run on a Windows system and a human soul couldn't "run" in the body of an antelope.

The software couldn't run in a nonfunctional(dead) system. Without functioning compatible hardware there might be a limited sort of representational resurrection for limited purposes. A ghostly faint likeness.

In this analogy, our souls are a subroutine within a Universal spirit. A function that depends upon emulated hardware and stops when the "hardware" stops functioning.

The Christian promise is that our particular subroutines will be resurrected when there are new emulated compatible hardware formed and the overcomers will receive perfected flesh bodies while the failed characters will receive flesh bodies(worm) that also will never die that can experience a perfectly just degree of torment they know will never end.

I think soul and spirit are two different energies

A Pandora's Box to interpret Biblical passages literally.

What better reward in heaven would it be to be with our angels in fur in the next realm who taught us the true meaning of love, forgiveness, and loyalty on this earth. A clear stream river. With our dogs. A buncha trout. And maybe a sixer. Of course with holy trinity near by and their approval.

Do you know what I've deduced is stupid thinking. Everybody so worried about the afterlife instead of worrying about what the hell is going on at 8:58 Central Time or whatever time zone you're in right now.

Nobody knows what's in the afterlife nobody knows if the books were reading it been manipulated or if they're even accurate but what we do know is that we affect matter by observing it.


And I don't really care if I return to the source and remember this life or not because I'm already part of the source because I'm part of the universe observing itself. And I think endless debates about something you can't prove unless you go shoot yourself are pointless. And even then you can't prove it because nobody comes back.

Just... Lol... @ posting the Witch of Endor story in support of communicating with the dead.

Soul is not an energy, it's what you are; it's a living, human being.

Don't waste your time with photine.

YES. TRUTH.

people don't want to hear this but it was the original lie at the Garden of Eden. Satan lied to Eve and told her she is immortal.

It is all due to extreme and long term propaganda and lies perpetuated for hundreds or thousands of years by Satan.

Case in point - Ghosts are really demons taking on human form.

But humans would rather believe ghosts are spirits of the departed even though a lot of evidence has come in that these are merely lying spirits who love to impersonate human beings.

All roads point to Christ to breath life back into you on Judgement Day.

Make sure you are counted worthy...

right now i drink the crown and cure my cancer

True on the soul as Jesus poured out HIS Soul unto death. But the spirit returns to God. Furthermore, the spirits of just men made perfect go on to be with the LORD since to be absent from the body for a believer is to be present with the LORD.

When questioned and "grilled", these so-called ghosts often break down and give up their cover by saying something that clearly indicates they are not who they seem to be....

What does that tell you?

Thank you, Malaysia for your post.

I hope you had a good Sabbath.

Well to be living breathing flowing, how is that possible, is that not energy?

The bible is pure cult horsesh!t, just like scientology. Do you still believe in santa clause too?!?! WOW..

Or is the soul a all-knowing-observing timeless consciousness that is apart from the chaotic energies of time and space.

If that s what you meant them maybe you are right

I don't know, I am just a simpleton with bad grammer, talk to me

I have had 10 NDE's and you no nothing. You are mistranslating the bible.

The Bible says we are living souls. A soul is a human being like you, or me. We are mortal; when we die we will cease to exist.

If you believe in Christ and live righteously in Him, then you will be resurrected when He returns. If not, you will be resurrected to be punished later on. The punishment will be permanent death.

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You're interpretation is false and paint God's creations as pointless.

Elaborate.

In what sense?

What's truly pointless is proclaiming that the righteous go to heaven, and the wicked immediately to a place of eternal burning at death. Then, at some unknown time, Christ will tell the righteous to go back into their bodies, so he can raise them from the dead. Then He will congratulate them on being obedient and that they are worthy of the resurrection of life, and eternal life, which they already had in heaven in the first place. Later on, the wicked who were already cast into hellfire, will He resurrect, and then tell them they are unworthy of everlasting life (as if they haven't already figured that out), then burn them in their bodies, and then burn them in their "souls" for all eternity. That's pointless.