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Way to scared to speak like this in public that why I came on here why lie about my race in proud of it and where I came from
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remember this all the people in those monuments were democrats
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You do fucking realize that what is known as Democrat today is not exactly what it was 150 years ago?
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Not really. That party has generally always attracted people without much or any common sense, integrity and logic.

Amoral, immoral, greedy people like older versions of Hillary Clinton. People who'd sell their soul to the devil in order to bring in wealth for 1800s versions of a Clinton Foundation.

An 1800's version of a "non-profit" like that would have rallied around upholding slavery. Today, it's selling the US down the NWO river.

The human nature today is no different from the past.


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Washington and Jefferson were never traitors, so their statues can remain. Treason is the same as it ever was...treason.
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Washington and Jefferson were never traitors, so their statues can remain. Treason is the same as it ever was...treason.
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Your wrong they were traitors to the British who set up the colonies. Where do you get your history knowledge from? They committed acts of treason and now we are cool that was over 200 years ago. So...why start crap again? Makes no sense.
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I'm so tired of the God damn "snivel war"
We pulled down Saddam Hussein after we won in Iraq.
The South was stupid enough to think the North would let them leave.
THEN they started a war they could NEVER win.
Lee and those idiots DESTROYED the South.
Why honor them??
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Why honor William Wallace? He died for the same people who voted no in the Scottish independence referendum. It's because he fought for what he believed in at that given time in history. He fought because of the tyrannical rule imposed on them at the time. He was a man of honor which is truly lacking these days.
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OP, excellent! I hope your post goes viral. Wow.
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I'm so tired of the God damn "snivel war"
We pulled down Saddam Hussein after we won in Iraq.
The South was stupid enough to think the North would let them leave.
THEN they started a war they could NEVER win.
Lee and those idiots DESTROYED the South.
Why honor them??
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yeah, and also we should got to salem mass. and raise the
whole place to the ground. insane yankee fools went
crazy and killed people accusing them of being witches.
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Hello all

first a little about me , 28yo black male from Texas , I'm a mechanic at a dealership, Avg hard working man who takes care of the wife and kiddos
Any who

I don't watch the news too much so I may or may not have the just of the issue but here goes

1 one mans hero is another mans villan
2 war monuments are earned with blood
3 reguardless of race people need to respect the fact that this is someone's heratige

Maybe I'm stupid but General Robert E Lee and many other deserve respect because anyone who is willing to die for what they believe in deserves respect.

Here are some of my understandings of the reason there was a war of northern aggression lol ( or the southern aggression )

1 slavery wasn't the main reason , I believe it was a weapon used by the north but I could be wrong ( think about it )

2 the south produced a lot in terms of agriculture and then they had high taxes who tvg the south saw little of in terms of representation ( sound like the revolution to me )

3 a lot of the norths businesses didn't have the man power and resources the south had at the time with the help of slavery ( they were just trying to get rich at least they were honest , now places like Enron fuck you behind your back )

4 slaves were a necessity all that work in the fields without modern machines is a cluster fuck , is it a ugly part of history yea sure but I'm glad my ancestors paid the price so I didn't end up in Africa fuck that shit, so I thank my ancestors for making the trip and dealing with the bull shit

It's country Christian farmers and ranchers living modest vs the fat cat type folks in the city who accepted non Christian beliefs wway back then
KINDA SOUNDS LIKE TODAY

I guess if this is rambling I'm sorry
I'll get to the point

People died for that monument and its part of my heratige because without it people forget where they came from as a black man I'm pissed that a bunch of people wanna destroy my heratige

Also to the black people that is all booty hurt this part is for yall
If you think a bunch of honkeys give 2 shits about a bunch of salves your stupid there was alterior motives..thay didn't care then and they don't care now wake the heck up

We're just a small piece of some fat cats agenda to line his own pocket THEY NEVER LOVED US were blacks come on man

Bash me idgaf maybe it's rambling but who gives a shit I needed to ventflip
 Quoting: blackraven


I generally read threads before I make a comment. I'm making an acception with yours, dear brother. Your heart pours out in your post. You're awesome. :)

I've always concidered myself a hybrid with any birthrights I may have. I come from the bloodlines of these people who's monuments are being removed in the South. I come from equally important family bloodlines from the North. My generation was moved West in the 1960's. I see both sides of this (attempted) civil war divide. It's not about color. Never has been. It's good vs evil. Look into the eyes of the person you may have standing before you. It's either good or bad, light or dark. It's the Spirit of God that reflects back with Light. I am of the Light. Jesus is my Lord & Savior. Sadly, I still have racist family members who I have confronted my entire life. I kept my children from them. Broke my heart to do so, I have/had great love for them all. But truth is truth. I stand on it.

I was raised near Oakland, CA. I was taught to hide who I am & who I come from. I raised my kid with even more protection to guard who he is. I've shared our private family stories with him. He never really believed me of things I shared. He got proof as a young teenager. We took a family vacation many years ago to a rural area in WA state. We were standing at a display of civil war trinkets. As we spoke to each other, a man & his wife heard me speaking & approached me. He asked if I'm related to (name doesn't matter). I told him yes. He was dumbfounded. Grabbed my hand, asked if that was my son with me. He ignored my husband who has his own rich family history. :) I have a strong resemblance to certain family members. My son has it too. We are all over 6' tall with odd eye color that changes, depending on mood. I (we) have never judged people based on color or religion.

The hardest racist lessons I learned came from people rejecting me. I have never hurt anyone by name calling or perceived racist comments. If I 'judge' anyone, it's based on the Light I see from them. The eyes are the window to the soul.

OP, your assessment of the Civil War is accurate. We were not taught the truth of our history in our schools. The Civil War was not based on slavery. Just like today, the powers that be are spreading hate & more lies. It's all emotional manipulation. Don't fall into this trap, good people. We are at war. We need to be smart & efficient with how we deal with what is coming. Actually, already here.

God Bless you OP. Thank you for your post. hf
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Bad management is why the South needed people to work for zero pay to begin with. If Southern farmers had managed things better they could have PAID the workers something, THEN when the men had to go fight the Yankees they would have had FRIENDS working back home who had vested interest the South. They created a "fifth column" right on their own lands.
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I had a talk with a 50 year old , ghetto type Black guy a work today , he cleans the shop

Here goes

I said
Say bro what you think about the whole racist monuments things ( I was trying to bait him into a argument .

Funny thing is he said he is upset that they wanna remove statues and it doesn't change the fact that it's still history and that it happened and there isn't anything anyone can change that.

That was shocking because this guy told me a few times that he wasn't permitted to do things at work cuz he is black ect ect race card puller

And this dude is a pos ghetto type
7 kids by 6 baby mamas and didn't get a job until 31y/o
Has big ass rims on a 2001 f150

Where are the blacks that are really pissed ? Or is this all BS
they couldnt spell good either so dont complain about mine

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Hello all

first a little about me , 28yo black male from Texas , I'm a mechanic at a dealership, Avg hard working man who takes care of the wife and kiddos
Any who

I don't watch the news too much so I may or may not have the just of the issue but here goes

1 one mans hero is another mans villan
2 war monuments are earned with blood
3 reguardless of race people need to respect the fact that this is someone's heratige

Maybe I'm stupid but General Robert E Lee and many other deserve respect because anyone who is willing to die for what they believe in deserves respect.

Here are some of my understandings of the reason there was a war of northern aggression lol ( or the southern aggression )

1 slavery wasn't the main reason , I believe it was a weapon used by the north but I could be wrong ( think about it )

2 the south produced a lot in terms of agriculture and then they had high taxes who tvg the south saw little of in terms of representation ( sound like the revolution to me )

3 a lot of the norths businesses didn't have the man power and resources the south had at the time with the help of slavery ( they were just trying to get rich at least they were honest , now places like Enron fuck you behind your back )

4 slaves were a necessity all that work in the fields without modern machines is a cluster fuck , is it a ugly part of history yea sure but I'm glad my ancestors paid the price so I didn't end up in Africa fuck that shit, so I thank my ancestors for making the trip and dealing with the bull shit

It's country Christian farmers and ranchers living modest vs the fat cat type folks in the city who accepted non Christian beliefs wway back then
KINDA SOUNDS LIKE TODAY

I guess if this is rambling I'm sorry
I'll get to the point

People died for that monument and its part of my heratige because without it people forget where they came from as a black man I'm pissed that a bunch of people wanna destroy my heratige

Also to the black people that is all booty hurt this part is for yall
If you think a bunch of honkeys give 2 shits about a bunch of salves your stupid there was alterior motives..thay didn't care then and they don't care now wake the heck up

We're just a small piece of some fat cats agenda to line his own pocket THEY NEVER LOVED US were blacks come on man

Bash me idgaf maybe it's rambling but who gives a shit I needed to ventflip
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Amen brother. My people were all on the wrong side of that war, many died inc my gg grandfather who is buried at Arlington. Most of them lost everything they owned, everyone lost family. Everyone. I am not proud or defending that some owned slaves but I also am not ashamed of my southern heritage. That was the terrible cost ... my peoples blood ... to be the free country we are (WERE????) today. It breaks my heart to see the hatred aimed at those who helped shape this country.
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Thread: Why do a bunch of white people wanna destroy the monuments ?

My new post of you fine people care to discuss
they couldnt spell good either so dont complain about mine

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clappa The civil war was fought over states rights. Like now with sanctuary status. Also, very few whites owned slaves and were strongly against slavery as it was impossible to compete with free labor.
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I had a talk with a 50 year old , ghetto type Black guy a work today , he cleans the shop

Here goes

I said
Say bro what you think about the whole racist monuments things ( I was trying to bait him into a argument .

Funny thing is he said he is upset that they wanna remove statues and it doesn't change the fact that it's still history and that it happened and there isn't anything anyone can change that.

That was shocking because this guy told me a few times that he wasn't permitted to do things at work cuz he is black ect ect race card puller

And this dude is a pos ghetto type
7 kids by 6 baby mamas and didn't get a job until 31y/o
Has big ass rims on a 2001 f150

Where are the blacks that are really pissed ? Or is this all BS
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In New Orleans, blacks are pissed at the stupid mayor for tearing down monuments instead of worrying about violent crime, shitty streets and flooding.
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I am an Indian citizen. Not white, not Indian aryan even (brown skinned south Indian dravidian actually). And let me tell you this is not about racism as they want you to think. This is about removing your history. It is about stealing your pride. George Soros WANTS you to be good little slaves. Granted they may not have the Presidency or the senate but they still do have the democrat controlled local governments.

It is about removing your history - if they can destroy the way you see the history of your fathers, because you feel ashamed, then they can break you down as you cannot look forward with a vision in life. It is about confusing you. So that you may be better subjects who can willingly be controlled. It is about turning you into becoming less fortunate. it is not about emancipating blacks either but rather bringing your way of life down equal with those who previously were less privileged.

They are vilifying your current president exactly because he stands for history and family values.

Democratic party and MSM are all about divide and rule.

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Peace and Love. bump
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Absolute nonsense if you truly think that if your ancestors lived in Africa you would be worse off. You ate up the propaganda and destructive perception concocted by the same people who concocted this crap going on today. All of Africa was/is unlivable? According to who? Read the journals of various European explorers, generals, colonists, and anthropologists of what they thought of various African societies that they encountered throughout the continent before the mass scramble. Hint Hint, it won't be so bad there.

Slavery was needed? Or how about they get together and work the fields themselves? Like i'm sure many families did/do the world over without the use of slaves? Or they can pay others a wage? They wouldn't be as rich, if rich at all, but they live well nonetheless.

Your heritage goes back farther than this nation. Much farther. And it has nothing to do with this silly idol.

Screw the statue. It should be left alone not because it represents anything great or just(it doesn't), but because it's there statue. They built it the stupid thing, it's their own, leave it there, stop crying like angry babies, move on. We have been engineered to be emotional, reactionary, angry dummys, and tptb are masters of engineering. They programmed us over generations towards self destruction. They have succeeded. The rap/gangsta culture we claim our very identities with, and the drivel about Africa being so horrible to live in, has shown how well that worked. Now they are tweaking the programming for us to be a nuisance to others.
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From what I have learned, it seems that history is misinterpreted by both sides.

The Republican Party was established on an abolitionists platform. So, yes, slavery WAS a major issue.

Now, I don't believe that the party intended to go to war over the issue. It was like any other legal platform issue--to be debated and hopefully changed over time through the legislature. Once the south separated, though, it became another issue that WOULD be resolved through hostilities.

So, it is not true to say Lincoln didn't care about slavery. It is also true, though, that he never intended to free the slaves through proclamation (unconstitutionally), before hostilities started. People point to quotes from Lincoln to this affect as proof he didn't care. Not true. The main purpose of his party was abolition. The original intent was to work constitutionally through the Congress, so you will find quotes (tailored to his audience, like any other politician) promising to not immediately end slavery.

Another point that shows slavery as an issue in the Civil War was from the Southern States' own documents. I don't know about ALL of them, but I have read the Virginia articles of secession, and for sure they DID enunciate legal slavery as a specific reason for secession. Most people who say that slavery "wasn't even why the war started" are not exactly right. The South felt threatened by the Republican platform.

Yes to the issue of taxation v representation, which you stated. The Democrats misrepresent this part of the history, also, though. Part of what they preach to crowds of SJWs is that blacks were "only 3/5 of a man," so the Constitution is evil. That sounds horrible, and so elicits a response. The truth is, the South was trying to argue for more legislative representation based on their population plus the population of their slaves, while in actuality treating their slaves as property with no rights at all.

Just like democrats, this is of course gaming the system. Either your slaves are men with rights who are due representation, or they are property. You can't have it both ways. So the only reason the 3/5 rule exists is because of Democrats. It was a compromise.

Yes to the issue of wealth and money. Southern "aristocrats" were advantaged by slavery--thus lived like kings; while northern business owners paid all of their help, thus couldn't compete in many areas. It only seemed fair to them that the 1% who had the advantage of owning slaves should be taxed on the labor of those slaves in the same way that northern workers had to pay taxes.

I would remind people who decry the founders for owning slaves, that the slavery debate did take place at the Constitutional Convention. The main reason abolition was not written into the Constitution was because the 1st priority in 1776 was to create the Union. All of the southern states would not have signed on with abolition, so it wasn't included.

The Founding Fathers were wise enough though, to include language in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution which would give Abraham Lincoln the confidence in his moral authority to free our people almost 100 years later. Don't expect the Marxist universities to teach this.

Another interesting note about Abraham Lincoln--I believe the reason he was murdered was because he planned to get rid of the central banks and return our right to issue currency to the legislature, where it Constitutionally belongs. This is also a freedom issue.

Someone earlier stated that slaves who fought for the South did so because they understood the issues. I don't buy this. They were there because they were serving with their masters. Freed and runaway slaves went North to fight, not south. Even the whites in the south didn't understand the issues. They fought because they were taught from birth that they were superior--and that the north wanted to give black men jobs that they didn't even have.

The United States was not the first country to outlaw slavery, but we are the only nation to ever fight a war to end it. It was one of the bloodiest wars ever fought, with 500,000 dead Americans--too keep the Union together and YES, to free the slaves once and for all. It is a crime that schools today would rather foment a Marxist revolution than teach history the way that it really happened.

This history is so unique, that it isn't just American history. It is world history, also, and should be treated as such. It is a crime to destroy artifacts that remind us of the agonies as well as the riteousness of our pasts. We should look at who benefits by erasing this history--if the world forgets, it will be repeated.

Thanks for the post. I love this subject! Gave me a chance to rant.
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Sry not a huge Lincoln fan , love what he did and I understand why just not the means in which he got that shit done , let's create votes to get shit passed ..... It's my understanding he created seats and backed the people he wanted in them seats so the push his laws through ? Right or wrong ? I'm no history buff
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I don't really know about his legislative tactics. I'm mostly just a Civil War buff.

I tried to leave a couple of links on here for you yesterday, and I must have said something "forbidden" because I got banned. More than a 24-hour ban too, I guess. I had to buy a jailbreak card with my karma.

Anyway, I understand you not wanting to talk about this stuff around some of your peer groups. The left think it's perfectly okay to encourage intimidation in order to keep black folks all thinking alike.

Check out Colin Noir on YouTube. He has his own site, too. He is one of my favorite black conservatives, and does TV commercials for the NRA. Very smart and speaks directly to the issue of gun control and how gun control only began in the late 1800s to (you guessed it) make it harder for freedmen to own guns.

Anyway, it may be easier to break the ice with some of your reasonable friends if they hear these ideas on coming from a black man. Listen to some of Mia Love's speeches from her campaign, too. The only black woman Republican in Congress, from Utah.
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what my ancestors went threw and that was earned from the horrible shit that went on with slavery , that was earned in the field and on the end of whips
I disagree that it was GAVE TO ME , my ancestors paid for that shit
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Don't mind Chip. I'm not sure if he is really that cynical, or if he is just trolling. Doesn't matter; he makes me laugh sometimes.
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I had a talk with a 50 year old , ghetto type Black guy a work today , he cleans the shop

Here goes

I said
Say bro what you think about the whole racist monuments things ( I was trying to bait him into a argument .

Funny thing is he said he is upset that they wanna remove statues and it doesn't change the fact that it's still history and that it happened and there isn't anything anyone can change that.

That was shocking because this guy told me a few times that he wasn't permitted to do things at work cuz he is black ect ect race card puller

And this dude is a pos ghetto type
7 kids by 6 baby mamas and didn't get a job until 31y/o
Has big ass rims on a 2001 f150

Where are the blacks that are really pissed ? Or is this all BS
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DING DING DING DING DING
FOLKS WE HAVE US A WINNER!!!!

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I had a talk with a 50 year old , ghetto type Black guy a work today , he cleans the shop

Here goes

I said
Say bro what you think about the whole racist monuments things ( I was trying to bait him into a argument .

Funny thing is he said he is upset that they wanna remove statues and it doesn't change the fact that it's still history and that it happened and there isn't anything anyone can change that.

That was shocking because this guy told me a few times that he wasn't permitted to do things at work cuz he is black ect ect race card puller

And this dude is a pos ghetto type
7 kids by 6 baby mamas and didn't get a job until 31y/o
Has big ass rims on a 2001 f150

Where are the blacks that are really pissed ? Or is this all BS
 Quoting: blackraven


In New Orleans, blacks are pissed at the stupid mayor for tearing down monuments instead of worrying about violent crime, shitty streets and flooding.
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Damn Kraut....

are you around Nola?





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