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I work for a concessionaire in Grand Teton Nat'l Park and they expect us to recycle almost everything.

Lately I've been questioning just how environmentally sound recycling itself is and have concluded that it's a racket just like a whole lot of other industries are
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what a lovely place to be.... glad you figure it out. Like so many things, it is a fine idea that dissolves in the salty sea of reality.


what tipped you off?
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:dieselgenerator:

:dieselcharger:
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


Due to how they operate, running a generator is probably twice (or more) as efficient as burning that fuel in a car's gas engine. So it actually does make sense still, even though you want to laugh.
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pwoof pwease

take into account the environmental cost of building two machines when one will do the trick
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It's building one machine that can charge many machines. How does your logic work? Still much more efficient.

Proof? Science is all over and in practical use. For an example it's why we use diesel electric locomotives: the giant engine drives an electric generator, which then powers electric motors in the wheels. Directly powering it with a diesel motor is so much less efficient that they go out of their way to use this seemingly ridiculous (to the layman) setup.
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Glass, Metal and Plastic. Glass and Metal pay good money. Why would they pay for that material if it was so bad?
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This is the industry I've been in 20+ years.

Most people have no clue how much is landfilled or incinerated.

Metal is a big YES to recycle

Cardboard is a big YES to recycle

I've seen most other "recyclables" moved right on in to the trash.

There is a very low market of buyers of mixed glass and a very low market for mixed plastic.

.....and tires are a nightmare.
 Quoting: Deplorable Azila_Again


in germany, they have had boxes for each sort of glass...
that was 30 years ago...
but, it is a state of mind....
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This is the industry I've been in 20+ years.

Most people have no clue how much is landfilled or incinerated.

Metal is a big YES to recycle

Cardboard is a big YES to recycle

I've seen most other "recyclables" moved right on in to the trash.

There is a very low market of buyers of mixed glass and a very low market for mixed plastic.

.....and tires are a nightmare.
 Quoting: Deplorable Azila_Again


in germany, they have had boxes for each sort of glass...
that was 30 years ago...
but, it is a state of mind....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


Our grandparents recycled glass bottles, but they REALLY recycled them. They got a 5 cent refund for each bottle when they would take them back to wherever they bought them from, and the bottles were washed and reused. They did away with that about 25 years ago except in a couple states, so now we just drop them in a bin with all the plastic bags and cardboard boxes and they go to God-knows-where to be crushed and turned in to TVs or socks or dildos or whatever they do with broken glass these days.
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It's foolish to think that metals or glass are better off in a landfill.

If it can be recycled efficiently it might as well be.
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Well, about 10 yrs ago our local tellivision station said that it was a lie about the recycling and that it just goes in the garbage.
And i can tell ya....i dumpster dive and my local grocery chain (won't give their name) has bins out front telling you to RECYCLE and people put the plastic bags in there thinking that is what is being done but i can tell you this......it's not......i see those huge bags of plastic grocery bags the people saved brought back and thrown in the dumpster!!!
All LIES!
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This is the industry I've been in 20+ years.

Most people have no clue how much is landfilled or incinerated.

Metal is a big YES to recycle

Cardboard is a big YES to recycle

I've seen most other "recyclables" moved right on in to the trash.

There is a very low market of buyers of mixed glass and a very low market for mixed plastic.

.....and tires are a nightmare.
 Quoting: Deplorable Azila_Again


thank you for confirming the metal YES

cardboard has been added since


have suspected that recycling is not always done as claimed.

what are your thoughts on incineration?
 Quoting: beeches


Incineration is the way to go at this point to save land space. Incineration produces power which is a bonus. EPA is all over the fumes so as long as it's done right, it's the way to go. Many places recycle yard waste as well. Turning it into a high grade mulch for resale. Oil (motor) can also be recycled which is nice.
Basically, anything metal, can be melted down into new items. Cardboard is easily recycled as well.

Single stream is simply stupid. Recycled glass is usually sorted by color. As of now, I know of no machine that can do that so it has to be hand sorted. lol...right. Too much labor for not enough profit. So, most try and sell as a mixed glass load which there are very few buyers for.
Plastics are the same. A plastic water bottle is one type of plastic but the lid is different. See where I'm going with this?

In order for it to have any profit, it would need to be all the same material and not mixed. Plus, the price on glass and plastic is so low, a trailer load of plastics baled, is still a very light load. Profit might cover your hauling expenses only. Most all of it is shipped over seas. It just really doesn't cover the cost of the man power to process it correctly.

The problem was, someone had this great idea to recycle, but didn't look far enough down the line and got in over their heads.

**Edit** Car batteries are very recyclable as well

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Environmentalism changed our local dump to a transfer station, where the trash is trucked to a regional landfill.

So, recycling became an important tool to keep down the amount of transferred waste.

After a decade of receiving glass that was separated out of the garbage stream by conscientious recyclers, there was no longer any market for the glass, and the county was stuck with finding a way to get rid of it.

So, their answer was to crush the glass and use it like gravel on the roads within the transfer station.

What a waste for all of those who washed out and seperated their pickle and jam jars.... and putting crushed glass on a road is not a very bright idea, now is it!??

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It depends on if there is market for whatever is recycled. Some make insulation from recycled newspaper, also put recycled glass in road beds.
 Quoting: syncro


the issue is that this is done for political, not economic or environmental reasons. The chemical processes and other work involved in recycling paper are NOT beneficial.

Re-use... now that works. Re-use that glass jar. Re-use the newspaper. It has lots of uses in the home.
 Quoting: beeches


Now you sound reasonable.

This does fall under the definition of recycle btw.
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Like some of those packed religious houses, HOW MUCH EFFORT AND WASTE OF LIFE AND ENERGY has gone into that eh!??! just a farce in the Nth Degree!

Just now people are waking up to that?!?!? Amazing.
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CHANGE (currency)

Change should be banned. It costs Americans billios per year to handle, carry, sort, bag, roll, count and deal with change. Its meant as a minute way for klpetos to TAX and enslave us. It needs to be banned and everything be round to the nearest dollar. Anything costing more than a $1, combine more of the same to equal a dollar.

Ban change and ban most taxes
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:dieselgenerator:

:dieselcharger:
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


Due to how they operate, running a generator is probably twice (or more) as efficient as burning that fuel in a car's gas engine. So it actually does make sense still, even though you want to laugh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77355751


pwoof pwease

take into account the environmental cost of building two machines when one will do the trick
 Quoting: beeches


It's building one machine that can charge many machines. How does your logic work? Still much more efficient.

Proof? Science is all over and in practical use. For an example it's why we use diesel electric locomotives: the giant engine drives an electric generator, which then powers electric motors in the wheels. Directly powering it with a diesel motor is so much less efficient that they go out of their way to use this seemingly ridiculous (to the layman) setup.
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Franlky, if it was soo efficient, every auto would have a
little fuel driven generator powering the electric motor.
There are other reasons for that system to be used on the
trains.

..."Direct-drive transmissions can become very complex, considering that a typical locomotive has four or more axles. Additionally, a direct-drive diesel locomotive would require an impractical number of gears to keep the engine within its powerband; coupling the diesel to a generator eliminates this problem. An alternative is to use a torque converter or fluid coupling in a direct drive system to replace the gearbox. Hydraulic transmissions are claimed to be somewhat more efficient than diesel–electric technology."...

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Environmentalism changed our local dump to a transfer station, where the trash is trucked to a regional landfill.

So, recycling became an important tool to keep down the amount of transferred waste.

After a decade of receiving glass that was separated out of the garbage stream by conscientious recyclers, there was no longer any market for the glass, and the county was stuck with finding a way to get rid of it.

So, their answer was to crush the glass and use it like gravel on the roads within the transfer station.

What a waste for all of those who washed out and seperated their pickle and jam jars.... and putting crushed glass on a road is not a very bright idea, now is it!??
 Quoting: Tree of Life


These roads do actually hold up very well.
They don't melt and form ruts like asphalt.
There is a section near me and I love driving on it compared to most other roads around here.
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It depends on if there is market for whatever is recycled. Some make insulation from recycled newspaper, also put recycled glass in road beds.
 Quoting: syncro


the issue is that this is done for political, not economic or environmental reasons. The chemical processes and other work involved in recycling paper are NOT beneficial.

Re-use... now that works. Re-use that glass jar. Re-use the newspaper. It has lots of uses in the home.
 Quoting: beeches


Now you sound reasonable.

This does fall under the definition of recycle btw.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10195274


Re-using is NOT recycling.

Recycling pushers hate re-users. Case in point: plastic shopping bags.

they call them "single-use plastic bags" which is completely wrong.

These bags have so many uses in the home and in schools, we were asked to collect them and bring them in.

examples of uses: putting used diapers into them before tossing into trash (with disabled public school students), dog poop removal bags,
liners for small trash containers


we will still pick up dog poop, line trash containers, and change the diapers of disabled students....but now we will have to buy new plastic products instead of

re-using shopping bags.

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Yeah beeches post has it right


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Re-use... now that works. Re-use that glass jar. Re-use the newspaper. It has lots of uses in the home.

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Too bad there's mUCKHEADS! in here shitting and pissing on everything.
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Yeah beeches post has it right


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Re-use... now that works. Re-use that glass jar. Re-use the newspaper. It has lots of uses in the home.

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Too bad there's mUCKHEADS! in here shitting and pissing on everything.
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I will use a "single use plastic shopping bag" for the cleanup!


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This is the industry I've been in 20+ years.

Most people have no clue how much is landfilled or incinerated.

Metal is a big YES to recycle

Cardboard is a big YES to recycle

I've seen most other "recyclables" moved right on in to the trash.

There is a very low market of buyers of mixed glass and a very low market for mixed plastic.

.....and tires are a nightmare.
 Quoting: Deplorable Azila_Again


in germany, they have had boxes for each sort of glass...
that was 30 years ago...
but, it is a state of mind....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


Our grandparents recycled glass bottles, but they REALLY recycled them. They got a 5 cent refund for each bottle when they would take them back to wherever they bought them from, and the bottles were washed and reused. They did away with that about 25 years ago except in a couple states, so now we just drop them in a bin with all the plastic bags and cardboard boxes and they go to God-knows-where to be crushed and turned in to TVs or socks or dildos or whatever they do with broken glass these days.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


why such a "de-evolution" in thinking/doing stuff?...
like someone is doing it deliberately!?....

in china, for example, pollution by their big "industry achievements/expansion/evolution/revolution", they managed to kill off natural bees....
very large areas...
(was watching one german documentary about bees...)
so, to pollinate trees, chinamans went up to the ladders by the trees and did it manually...
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Just pay China to take it away!

Oh, they already did that and China just dumped it back in our ocean?

Sounds about right I guess.
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This is the industry I've been in 20+ years.

Most people have no clue how much is landfilled or incinerated.

Metal is a big YES to recycle

Cardboard is a big YES to recycle

I've seen most other "recyclables" moved right on in to the trash.

There is a very low market of buyers of mixed glass and a very low market for mixed plastic.

.....and tires are a nightmare.
 Quoting: Deplorable Azila_Again


in germany, they have had boxes for each sort of glass...
that was 30 years ago...
but, it is a state of mind....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


Our grandparents recycled glass bottles, but they REALLY recycled them. They got a 5 cent refund for each bottle when they would take them back to wherever they bought them from, and the bottles were washed and reused. They did away with that about 25 years ago except in a couple states, so now we just drop them in a bin with all the plastic bags and cardboard boxes and they go to God-knows-where to be crushed and turned in to TVs or socks or dildos or whatever they do with broken glass these days.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


I used to get that! for plastic bottles too
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Just pay China to take it away!

Oh, they already did that and China just dumped it back in our ocean?

Sounds about right I guess.
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laughing!

gotta clean up our own nest
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extreme waste of paper...
when you get a bill in store....
it could be done by/printed on recycled paper...
not new white one....
same with billboards...


wc paper, ok...it is because of hygiene...
towels to clean...also ...
recycled paper could be used....
to produce paper, hemp could be used...

nature is hitting back, big time....

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DangIT! why did you have to put that lovey dovey pic in eh?!?!?! ... changes the whole mood and I was just getting into shitting a pissing /SARC! *echoECHO*
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Now I forgot what I was going to say?!?!?!

Oh yeah what's up with the wrong flag icon, only this site, hmmm oh well they're kind of pretty I guess no matter what one .
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a failed effort on all fronts...and the war terminology chosen with care.

It WAS a war... on our way of life. Never once did recycling in any real way help the planet. It was a tool for teaching the sheep and enacting laws. And lining democrap pockets.

the extent of the failure cannot be ignored, even by the founders and former promoters of recycling.

says one:

“People don’t know what’s happening to their trash,” said Andrew Spicer, who teaches corporate social responsibility at the University of South Carolina and sits on his state’s recycling advisory board. “They think they’re saving the world. But the international recycling business sees it as a way of making money. There have been no global regulations – just a long, dirty market that allows some companies to take advantage of a world without rules.”


and this:

The environmental and social ramifications of America’s plastic exports are shocking even to those in the industry. Bob Wenzlau is considered one of the founding fathers of the US curbside recycling system, having helped to launch the program in Palo Alto, California, in 1976.

Curbside recycling “was started with a really good intention; I used to feel so proud,” said Wenzlau. Now, after learning of the effects the nation’s exports are having overseas, he said, “my heart aches, because the system is doing harm”.


[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

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links in thread will appear here for the hurried reader!

your recycling ain't getting recycled
[link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]

convincing pros and weak cons on incineration:
[link to greentumble.com (secure)]

oil comes from dinosaur bodies??
[link to www.viewzone.com]
 Quoting: beeches


Real recycling is to reuse and repurpose what is, IT IS NOT sending the mateials back to be reprocessed and resold to the consumer while the reprocessor and resellor make sick profit by monopolizing the process and getting the raw material for free to resell over and over and over and over again.
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a failed effort on all fronts...and the war terminology chosen with care.

It WAS a war... on our way of life. Never once did recycling in any real way help the planet. It was a tool for teaching the sheep and enacting laws. And lining democrap pockets.

the extent of the failure cannot be ignored, even by the founders and former promoters of recycling.

says one:

“People don’t know what’s happening to their trash,” said Andrew Spicer, who teaches corporate social responsibility at the University of South Carolina and sits on his state’s recycling advisory board. “They think they’re saving the world. But the international recycling business sees it as a way of making money. There have been no global regulations – just a long, dirty market that allows some companies to take advantage of a world without rules.”


and this:

The environmental and social ramifications of America’s plastic exports are shocking even to those in the industry. Bob Wenzlau is considered one of the founding fathers of the US curbside recycling system, having helped to launch the program in Palo Alto, California, in 1976.

Curbside recycling “was started with a really good intention; I used to feel so proud,” said Wenzlau. Now, after learning of the effects the nation’s exports are having overseas, he said, “my heart aches, because the system is doing harm”.


[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

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links in thread will appear here for the hurried reader!

your recycling ain't getting recycled
[link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]

convincing pros and weak cons on incineration:
[link to greentumble.com (secure)]

oil comes from dinosaur bodies??
[link to www.viewzone.com]
 Quoting: beeches





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