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User ID: 12343871 United States 11/09/2019 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This was a joke thread, or so I thought. To which I responded with a bit of lovecraftian fiction regarding Dagon and his Cult. Maybe there is some truth between the Dagon fiction, and the Dogon people? Thread: Ship-wrecked Florida Man Sodomized by Mermen / Forced to Perform Oral Sex on Mermaids Last Edited by Zoinkaeon on 11/09/2019 12:09 PM Ash Nazg Durbatulûk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatulûk, Agh Burzum-ishi Krimpatul |
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User ID: 78147410 United States 11/09/2019 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Centuries ago there was a Ukraine with it s own language, culture and history. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437 A certain group likes to pretend its not so, since they were hoping to turn it into their own zion along with Poland and adjacent regions. To that end, the ones obsessed with their own false provenence mythology go on about how nobody else is valid in their own lands, since, the locust horde needs to ethnically cleanse the desired regions of the original inhabitants, so they can move in. There is far more proof of a historic ukraine than there is of a history israel, and thats a fact. they certainly murdered millions of them for some reason.... You have to train your mind to be stronger than your emotions or you will lose yourself every time |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77623302 Poland 11/09/2019 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here may be the proof of "the sorcerers of Atlantis" Quoting: Juliet -------small snips------- An analysis of some of the earliest samples more or less comports with what has been found around Europe - they represent an influx of farmers primarily descended from early agriculturalists from Turkey and Iran around 8,000 years ago, followed by a shift toward ancestry from the Ukrainian steppe somewhere between 5,000 and 3,000 years ago. By the founding of Rome , traditionally dated to 753 BC, the city's population had grown in diversity and resembled modern European and Mediterranean peoples. [link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)] following the live link 'Uktanian steppe' it reveals this: Cossack-Sorcerers: The Secretive and Magical Warrior Society of Ukraine Among these Cossacks who lived within the territory of the Zaporizhian Sich, there were said to be some with magic abilities, who were called the Cossack-Sorcerers. According to folklore, these were true war mages, of which legends were born. A Claim of Aryan Descent According to another version, the beginning of the Sorcerer class takes place among the Aryan tribes of the Bronze Age of the 2nd millennium BC, before their emigration to India from the steppes north of the Black Sea. It was alleged that among the Aryan tribes there were magic warriors, some of which went to India where they became known as Maharathi - soldiers who are capable of defending themselves alone against a large number of opponents with the help of martial arts and mystical practices. Maharathi is mentioned in the Indian epic Mahabharata. The group that remained in the steppes of the Black Sea would then have become the basis of the sorcerers. [link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)] Historical fact. Ukraine never existed before 1991. This fake proxy country has been created as a pretext in case Russia again becoming a threat for NATO after fall of Soviet Union. There is no such thing as Ukraine or Ukrainian people. Ukrainians are people of russian origin mixed with all kinds of eastern nations invading that lands in last 1000 years. And yet russia developed fro the Kievskii Russ. So, Russia developed from am alreadu esxistant place that didnt exist with its own language and govenance? So you say. Ukraine was a democracy before the USA was established. unfortunately for them they lived in a very desirable region that others wanted. In truth Ukraine had established itself as an independent country in the early 20's and for two years existed before the soviets invaded. Maybe youre confusing it with Poland never existing? Americans barely know their own history and jack shit about history of Europe. There is no reliable sources in US where you could possible learn that information. Only propaganda or pure imbecility is accessible. Closest thing to get informed would be studying history at university in UK as detailed history of Europe is not even touched in western high schools. Still countries which most accurately teach people about history of Europe are Italy, Austria, Poland, Switzerland and Hungary. |
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(OP) User ID: 78098540 United States 11/09/2019 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For clarity: ABSTRACT Ancient Rome was the capital of an empire of ~70 million inhabitants, but little is known about the genetics of ancient Romans. Here we present 127 genomes from 29 archaeological sites in and around Rome, spanning the past 12,000 years. We observe two major prehistoric ancestry transitions: one with the introduction of farming and another prior to the Iron Age [link to science.sciencemag.org (secure)] accepted history states that during the Iron Age, people across much of Europe, Asia and parts of Africa began making tools and weapons from iron and steel. For some societies, including Ancient Greece, the start of the Iron Age was accompanied by a period of cultural decline. There is no "sovereign" right to destroy the Earth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78152150 Serbia 11/09/2019 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | References to ukrainian cossacks are also part fake. There were nomadic warriors cossacks but not Quoting: Vikini Ukraine is a modern word created from 2 slavic words similar in most slavic languages. As of polish translation it goes : Ukraina - Ukradziona Kraina which stands for - stolen land What is very accurate cause Ukraine is country made up of stolen lands from Lithuania, Poland and Russia. Ukrajina or 'krajina' for example 'srpska krajina' (area, military frontier). All Slavs were originally Serbs. Slavs and slavic nations became between 1st and 5th century, after failed Illyrian uprising from 3rd to 6th year in 1st century. Many Serbs (Illyrians) left Balkans in droves. Moving towards Baltic Sea, to escape romanization. And to remain free. Countless toponyms from Balkans in other Slavic countries prove this. Many of those who stayed in the Balkans were subject to romanization, accepted historical narratives refer to them as 'Vlachs', a distinct ethnic group from Slavs. But in reality they're nothing but romanized Serbs. DNA studies are exposing the lies of Roman Catholic Church, who forged much of European history. Truth will come out, we're getting closer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 11/09/2019 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For clarity: Quoting: Juliet ABSTRACT Ancient Rome was the capital of an empire of ~70 million inhabitants, but little is known about the genetics of ancient Romans. Here we present 127 genomes from 29 archaeological sites in and around Rome, spanning the past 12,000 years. We observe two major prehistoric ancestry transitions: one with the introduction of farming and another prior to the Iron Age [link to science.sciencemag.org (secure)] accepted history states that during the Iron Age, people across much of Europe, Asia and parts of Africa began making tools and weapons from iron and steel. For some societies, including Ancient Greece, the start of the Iron Age was accompanied by a period of cultural decline. probly Barbarian Invasions. that always disrupts the progress of Civilization. |
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User ID: 78132269 United States 11/09/2019 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . ... I'm thinking of seth who probably was the custodian of the knowledge of the druids ... . ... the "history" we are given by the academics is sooooo far from what really happened ... . ... maybe in the future the truth will be revealed? ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 11/09/2019 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aeneas was supposed to be from Troy, Asia Minor -- modern-day Turkey. Quoting: Builder of the Adytum Turns out old Virgil was right. I think you mean Homer, whose legends preceded Virgil by roughly 800 years. Of course, the true author of the Homeric legends [much like Shakespeare's plays] remains a subject of debate even today. Virgil's Aeneid -- traces the founders of Rome to the Trojans. Homer never speaks of Rome as it did not even exist in his day. The Homeric legends were centered upon TROY, which was specific in the post to which you replied... which is why I mentioned him as a source. Earlier than Homer, a myth existed that spoke of Romans descending from Aeneas... you reference Virgil's Aeneid, while ignoring his source material. Where do you think he got the idea to compose that poem? It's very safe to assume that Virgil read Homer, who wrote extensively of Aeneas in his Iliad. Virgil merely expanded upon much earlier mythology. Need more chronology? Homer -who may/may not have actually existed- lived around 750BC. Rome was first mentioned in the writings of Greek historian Timaeus in 814BC, long before Homer was orating his poems... and roughly 800 years before Virgil's Aeneid. Bottomline: While the date of the founding of Rome is still hotly contested, archaeology indicates that some form of settlement was there multi-millennia previously. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 11/09/2019 02:06 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77960292 Romania 11/09/2019 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They were actually, among the earliest BIG-BUSINESSMEN. The first of the large scale globalsists. Used to control and run multi-nationl bussiness and trading networks across 3 continents - Europe, Asia and Africa. Main aim was to make money at any cost, due to excessive greed. All methods were used, without any scruples or morals...slavery, war, torture, looting and large scale slaughter. Those like Crassus, the precusor of the modern Mafia. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77960292 Romania 11/09/2019 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first of the large scale globalists. Used to control and run multi-nationl business and trading networks across 3 continents - Europe, Asia and Africa. Main aim was to make money at any cost, due to excessive greed. All methods were used, without any scruples or morals...slavery, war, torture, looting and large scale slaughter. Those like Crassus, the precusor of the modern Mafia. . |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 11/09/2019 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: Quoting: GSB/LTD -it was the seat of the largest government at the time and that government knew that strength came from accepting a wide variety immigrants as citizens. lol... An interesting interpretation.... but lets look at the results! The thoroughly corrupt 'government' became so vile and elitist, that the great cities of the Roman Empire, including Rome herself, were completely abandoned by the populace, and the mighty Roman Empire fell. 'Grass grew in the streets of Rome', and the city was left for dead. There are some important lines to be drawn here regarding our current cultural state-of-affairs... Yes??!! You are over-simplifying Rome's decline. And to suggest that Rome's government was universally corrupt is patently false. Corruption ebbed and flowed as often as Rome changed Emperors, which actually happened many times during a couple of not-so-choice years [Several Emperors only ruled for a few months before their assassination]. And you are simply wrong to state that Rome was abandoned by her populace. I find it most compelling that Rome's actual decline did not occur until Christianity took root and the polytheistic system of religion was discarded. The Roman people were left totally adrift as they were compelled to abandon their historic, cherished traditions. They didn't abandon Rome, it abandoned them. In the centuries preceding that mistake Rome was a showplace where Church/State were solidly integrated; the people of Rome were proud of their Empire and when that pride -and support- decayed was when the 'grass grew in the streets of Rome', the stones of the mighty Flavian Amphitheater [more commonly called the "Colesseum"] were looted to build shabby structures and the populace lost respect for their city and themselves... that's when the invasions/sacking by the Gauls succeeded, and Rome fell. Rome itself was actually the first victim of the new theology it was forced to embrace! The Dark Ages quickly followed and civilisation marched backward as several hundred years of progress were eradicated. But, at least they had religion! Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 11/09/2019 02:19 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77867810 United States 11/09/2019 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Centuries ago there was a Ukraine with it s own language, culture and history. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437 A certain group likes to pretend its not so, since they were hoping to turn it into their own zion along with Poland and adjacent regions. To that end, the ones obsessed with their own false provenence mythology go on about how nobody else is valid in their own lands, since, the locust horde needs to ethnically cleanse the desired regions of the original inhabitants, so they can move in. There is far more proof of a historic ukraine than there is of a history israel, and thats a fact. And here is the truth of the matter, folks. No matter what the topic or subject, there's always a bagel trying to steal something from someone. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78152687 New Zealand 11/09/2019 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aeneas was supposed to be from Troy, Asia Minor -- modern-day Turkey. Quoting: Builder of the Adytum Turns out old Virgil was right. I think you mean Homer, whose legends preceded Virgil by roughly 800 years. Of course, the true author of the Homeric legends [much like Shakespeare's plays] remains a subject of debate even today. Virgil's Aeneid -- traces the founders of Rome to the Trojans. Homer never speaks of Rome as it did not even exist in his day. The Homeric legends were centered upon TROY, which was specific in the post to which you replied... which is why I mentioned him as a source. Earlier than Homer, a myth existed that spoke of Romans descending from Aeneas... I'm assuming you've heard of Virgil's "Aeneid"? Where do you think he got the idea to compose that poem? It's very safe to assume that Virgil read Homer, who wrote extensively of Aeneas in his "Iliad". Virgil merely expanded upon much earlier mythology. Need more chronology? Homer -who may/may not have actually existed- lived around 750BC. Rome was first mentioned in the writings of Greek historian Timaeus in 814BC, long before Homer was orating his poems... and roughly 800 years before Virgil's Aeneid. Bottomline: While the date of the founding of Rome is still hotly contested, archaeology indicates that some form of settlement was there multi-millennia previously. shakespear( nothing masonic bout spear shaking lol) isn't really??? heaven forbid!! spook sweatshops filled with monkeys and typewriters is nothing new..,and then we have gobleki tepi and its sister sites, at least 10000bc, im guessing they weren't nomadic farmers, not to mention the never mentioned seafaring phoenicians, who i'd bet actually set rome up as one of their many pre greek sea ports, like the tin mines in west u.k |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78152103 United States 11/09/2019 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aeneas was supposed to be from Troy, Asia Minor -- modern-day Turkey. Quoting: Builder of the Adytum Turns out old Virgil was right. I think you mean Homer, whose legends preceded Virgil by roughly 800 years. Of course, the true author of the Homeric legends [much like Shakespeare's plays] remains a subject of debate even today. Homer did Iliad & Odyssey, but the Aeneid was regarded by the Roman-Greco world as the 3rd installment of the epic. There's also even a 4th part of the ongoing genealogical romance of the ancients & their deities, but I forget what it's called atm. My relatives in Italy are descended from Roman patrician gens, & we've even got a strain of Etruscan blood in us. The other half of my family tree were German. My Italian grandfather had an amazing collection of ancient artifacts & writings which were looted & destroyed at the end of WWII. He had to hide in the catacombs beneath Napoli to avoid Communist purges after Mussolini fell, at which time our family library was destroyed. Between WWI & WWII, an incomprehensible quantity of ancient writings were lost - enough to rival the burning of the Library of Alexandria (& it was very intentional I assure you). There are ancient hidden meanings in those stories that academics are clueless about. There's a reason they are so sacred to European peoples. |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 11/09/2019 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aeneas was supposed to be from Troy, Asia Minor -- modern-day Turkey. Quoting: Builder of the Adytum Turns out old Virgil was right. I think you mean Homer, whose legends preceded Virgil by roughly 800 years. Of course, the true author of the Homeric legends [much like Shakespeare's plays] remains a subject of debate even today. Homer did Iliad & Odyssey, but the Aeneid was regarded by the Roman-Greco world as the 3rd installment of the epic. There's also even a 4th part of the ongoing genealogical romance of the ancients & their deities, but I forget what it's called atm. My relatives in Italy are descended from Roman patrician gens, & we've even got a strain of Etruscan blood in us. The other half of my family tree were German. My Italian grandfather had an amazing collection of ancient artifacts & writings which were looted & destroyed at the end of WWII. He had to hide in the catacombs beneath Napoli to avoid Communist purges after Mussolini fell, at which time our family library was destroyed. Between WWI & WWII, an incomprehensible quantity of ancient writings were lost - enough to rival the burning of the Library of Alexandria (& it was very intentional I assure you). There are ancient hidden meanings in those stories that academics are clueless about. There's a reason they are so sacred to European peoples. What a GREAT personal history! I envy you that heritage. I myself began collecting ancient Roman/Greek relics a few years ago [thankfully they are fairly numerous if you know where/how to shop and have the money to spend!] and I am always humbled to hold something dating back 1,900 years or even much older [the oldest pieces in my collection date back to Egypt's 2nd Dynasty and they are seriously humbling!]. As I write this, I'm wearing a Bronze ring crafted for a foot soldier in Rome's tenth Legion and whenever I look at it my thoughts invariably wonder what kind of man he was and what his life entailed. And my own suddenly feels so shabby in comparison! Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 11/09/2019 02:44 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47752129 Canada 11/09/2019 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | During the ~13th century, there was a medieval warm period. This was great for the steppe peoples of what is today western Russia. They also discovered slash and burn farming around this time. Slash and burn makes the land very fertile, but only for a short time, after which you have to give the land time to recover (before it can be slashed and burned again). So in effect there was a population explosion and they had to keep moving, as well. Today we call this migration 'the Mongol invasion' and the 'Ottoman empire'. It was actually Slavs and Turks, for the most part working together. Look at the Balkan Peninsula, still about half Slavic and half Turkic (if you include Anatolia/Asia Minor). People also don't realize that Persia is more white/Aryan that Iraq/Egypt/Saudia Arabia/etc because it was connected to Russia by a medieval highway, aka the Volga+Caspian Sea! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77349451 Canada 11/09/2019 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here may be the proof of "the sorcerers of Atlantis" Quoting: Juliet -------small snips------- An analysis of some of the earliest samples more or less comports with what has been found around Europe - they represent an influx of farmers primarily descended from early agriculturalists from Turkey and Iran around 8,000 years ago, followed by a shift toward ancestry from the Ukrainian steppe somewhere between 5,000 and 3,000 years ago. By the founding of Rome , traditionally dated to 753 BC, the city's population had grown in diversity and resembled modern European and Mediterranean peoples. [link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)] following the live link 'Uktanian steppe' it reveals this: Cossack-Sorcerers: The Secretive and Magical Warrior Society of Ukraine Among these Cossacks who lived within the territory of the Zaporizhian Sich, there were said to be some with magic abilities, who were called the Cossack-Sorcerers. According to folklore, these were true war mages, of which legends were born. A Claim of Aryan Descent According to another version, the beginning of the Sorcerer class takes place among the Aryan tribes of the Bronze Age of the 2nd millennium BC, before their emigration to India from the steppes north of the Black Sea. It was alleged that among the Aryan tribes there were magic warriors, some of which went to India where they became known as Maharathi - soldiers who are capable of defending themselves alone against a large number of opponents with the help of martial arts and mystical practices. Maharathi is mentioned in the Indian epic Mahabharata. The group that remained in the steppes of the Black Sea would then have become the basis of the sorcerers. [link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)] why do they call them sorcerers? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77349451 Canada 11/09/2019 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | During the ~13th century, there was a medieval warm period. This was great for the steppe peoples of what is today western Russia. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47752129 They also discovered slash and burn farming around this time. Slash and burn makes the land very fertile, but only for a short time, after which you have to give the land time to recover (before it can be slashed and burned again). So in effect there was a population explosion and they had to keep moving, as well. Today we call this migration 'the Mongol invasion' and the 'Ottoman empire'. It was actually Slavs and Turks, for the most part working together. Look at the Balkan Peninsula, still about half Slavic and half Turkic (if you include Anatolia/Asia Minor). People also don't realize that Persia is more white/Aryan that Iraq/Egypt/Saudia Arabia/etc because it was connected to Russia by a medieval highway, aka the Volga+Caspian Sea! youre a moron and youre extremely ignorant |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77349451 Canada 11/09/2019 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here may be the proof of "the sorcerers of Atlantis" Quoting: Juliet -------small snips------- An analysis of some of the earliest samples more or less comports with what has been found around Europe - they represent an influx of farmers primarily descended from early agriculturalists from Turkey and Iran around 8,000 years ago, followed by a shift toward ancestry from the Ukrainian steppe somewhere between 5,000 and 3,000 years ago. By the founding of Rome , traditionally dated to 753 BC, the city's population had grown in diversity and resembled modern European and Mediterranean peoples. [link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)] following the live link 'Uktanian steppe' it reveals this: Cossack-Sorcerers: The Secretive and Magical Warrior Society of Ukraine Among these Cossacks who lived within the territory of the Zaporizhian Sich, there were said to be some with magic abilities, who were called the Cossack-Sorcerers. According to folklore, these were true war mages, of which legends were born. A Claim of Aryan Descent According to another version, the beginning of the Sorcerer class takes place among the Aryan tribes of the Bronze Age of the 2nd millennium BC, before their emigration to India from the steppes north of the Black Sea. It was alleged that among the Aryan tribes there were magic warriors, some of which went to India where they became known as Maharathi - soldiers who are capable of defending themselves alone against a large number of opponents with the help of martial arts and mystical practices. Maharathi is mentioned in the Indian epic Mahabharata. The group that remained in the steppes of the Black Sea would then have become the basis of the sorcerers. [link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)] here is a tidbit of infor the aryan race is from the north thats that they are not from atlantis others are |
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User ID: 26315043 Canada 11/09/2019 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: Quoting: GSB/LTD -it was the seat of the largest government at the time and that government knew that strength came from accepting a wide variety immigrants as citizens. lol... An interesting interpretation.... but lets look at the results! The thoroughly corrupt 'government' became so vile and elitist, that the great cities of the Roman Empire, including Rome herself, were completely abandoned by the populace, and the mighty Roman Empire fell. 'Grass grew in the streets of Rome', and the city was left for dead. There are some important lines to be drawn here regarding our current cultural state-of-affairs... Yes??!! You are over-simplifying Rome's decline. And to suggest that Rome's government was universally corrupt is patently false. Corruption ebbed and flowed as often as Rome changed Emperors, which actually happened many times during a couple of not-so-choice years [Several Emperors only ruled for a few months before their assassination]. And you are simply wrong to state that Rome was abandoned by her populace. I find it most compelling that Rome's actual decline did not occur until Christianity took root and the polytheistic system of religion was discarded. The Roman people were left totally adrift as they were compelled to abandon their historic, cherished traditions. They didn't abandon Rome, it abandoned them. In the centuries preceding that mistake Rome was a showplace where Church/State were solidly integrated; the people of Rome were proud of their Empire and when that pride -and support- decayed was when the 'grass grew in the streets of Rome', the stones of the mighty Flavian Amphitheater [more commonly called the "Colesseum"] were looted to build shabby structures and the populace lost respect for their city and themselves... that's when the invasions/sacking by the Gauls succeeded, and Rome fell. Rome itself was actually the first victim of the new theology it was forced to embrace! The Dark Ages quickly followed and civilisation marched backward as several hundred years of progress were eradicated. But, at least they had religion! Very interesting! But back to the question I ask about parallels and about decline. The bolded/underlined portion of your above comments again reveal what has, in the History of our World, happened, repeatedly, and which is now on track for another round of repetition in our Modern World. The scenario you bring up about the stones of the Coliseum being desecrated to build hovels, is the same as today, when Third World countries empty their trash into the cradles of Western Civilization in both Europe and elsewhere around the world, in the spirit of "Diversification" and 'One-World Order'. As you point out, a march backwards occurred, that wiped out most of the tremendous progress made by the Roman Culture. I wish to highlight how the pendulum of extremism is about to swing to the opposite pole, as history repeats herself!! Thank you, sir, for your comments!! TOL "All you may know of heaven or hell is within your own self." - Edgar Cayce |