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I suspect these crowds are gonna mess up the models.

Was thinking same thing

From Dr. Tenpenny. What are we testing? (flawed covid-19 testing):

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Last Edited by Terces Egassem on 05/31/2020 11:02 AM

4 psycho( MAD) MAX, No government at All, No stores, no economy, every man for himself.

I've been away from the thread longer then usual.


I want to thank everyone for their support, especially those that answered some of the questions, while I have been away.

Red Hot Chilean Pepe, among others, did a good job keeping the thread alive and civil.



One of the reasons I have been away is that the father of a close friend of my brother, got the bug, 3 days ago. The friend visited my brother and his family a week before his father got rushed to the hospital, with clear symptoms of covid-19.


Now I am expecting to see if the friend is also positive, which is most likely to be the case, since he almost daily have been in contact with his parents.


Anyway, this is on the personal side of the reasoning I have been away.


The other reason is the U.S. riots. Can't call them protests, obviously. I started working on my model after China locked-down Wuhan. Up until that point, the virus was just another SARS for me. But Wuhan lock-down was the moment I realized that this virus is serious.


Same with U.S. riots. I haven't paid much attention to them, thinking that it's just another riot because some white cop killed some black guy.


However, the riots become painfully obvious that are not the same as the previous riots, and I tried to understand why and if the pandemic have a role in this DIFFERENCE between current riots and the previous ones.



Sometime back in March, I think at the end of March, I said that the Mad Max scenario can be postponed or accelerated by events that are unpredictable. The world-wide lock-downs were somehow predictable, but the length and the severity of the lock-down were not.


Because of the lock-downs, the Mad Max scenario was postponed, and I think everyone agrees with that. The economic fallout of the lock-downs is YET to be felt, we can only see that cases in the countries that had a lock-down are dropping fast, which on the disease front is (partially) good news.


Why partially? Simply because it is short term. The effects of lifting the lock-downs will be felt, as I previously said, even up to 6 weeks later, depending on many factors.

A small example would be Georgia lifting the lock-downs 1 month ago, but Atlanta only days ago. The biggest city and capital of Georgia, which would account for most covid-19 infections, was still in lock-down last week.


At this point in time, I believe that the pandemic is the only factor that made the current riots in the U.S. spread so fast, last so long (and might potentially last WEEKS from now) and have much more people rioting then before.

First, because of the pandemic, a lot of people in the U.S. lost their job, and tens of thousands more are losing it on a daily basis in the U.S.

Secondly, after 2 months of restrictions, tons of people are among the rioters, simply because they want to lose some of the energy that they got during the lock-downs.

Thirdly, tons of other people, who lost their income, are among the rioters.


Then there is the omnipresent antifa.

And ultimately, the black people, who are rioting because they don't know other way.


There are more reasons why the current riots in the U.S. are different.


HOWEVER, this is not the bad part. The bad part is that the timing of killing Floyd came at the worst possible time : during a pandemic that is FAR from over and in the early stages of the economic collapse, which already started.


I do not know how the things will evolve (or rather, devolve) in the U.S., but I can tell you one thing : if the second wave of the pandemic starts during the current riots, which will be MUCH WORSE in the next days, the U.S. government might potentially lose partial or even total control of the country.


Now, this scenario will happen if, and only if :

1.the second wave starts in the next 2-4 weeks.

2.the government implements (or attempts to) another nation-wide lock-down.


The current riots can end TODAY, it won't matter at all, if the U.S. government chooses a new nation-wide lock-downs. The riots will restart, and when they do, it will be anarchy, because most of the rioters will be working people, facing with imminent loss of their job, adding more fuel and human power to the already tens of millions that are out of the job.


Many people will see the second lock-down as a reason to stop the protests, and not the virus, many others as a government conspiracy to enslave us, the leftists will see it as an attempt of Trump to take control of the democrat ruled cities, etc. etc.


There will be way to many people and the riots will be orders of magnitude bigger then what is currently taking place in the U.S., and the entire country might fall to anarchy, which will make things worse on ALL FRONTS : pandemic, economic and political.


And from anarchy to Mad Max scenario, in current conditions (pandemic + economic collapse) is just a step.


But let's hope that the U.S. government and Trump are smart enough to avoid a nation-wide lock down before the second wave becomes more painful then the riots, because if they do it before, virtually everyone will see it as an attempt to stop the riots / enslaving us / etc.


Will see how things go, but I am afraid that the U.S. government will be too enticed to use the pandemic to stop the riots, because I can tell you one thing : the current riots will not end this week, and will get both bigger and more violent.


A U.S. collapse, both economic and social will almost instantly led to a worldwide collapse, also economic and social....and this during a pandemic that didn't even fully hit us, looking at the measly 7-8% of people that contracted the virus to date.


Fingers crossed that this scenario will not happen, but I am afraid that many "actors" are working hard to make it happen.

Last Edited by Recollector on 06/01/2020 08:54 AM

Op thanks for the update
About the second wave... Don't you think that if there is one, there would have been in China and east Asia? If there's no second wave in China after 2 months since the easing, perhaps there will be none

Hello Deplorable Recollector! I was hoping you were ok, I hope your brother’s friend is spared of having a serious case, and that his father makes it through the hospitalization.

Thanks for your kind words also, I simply think this thread has much insightful ideas and is worth keeping ongoing as an evolving analysis of this Worldwide pandemic, the first of its kind (in the sense we are likely dealing with a non natural pathogen agent).

I am also deeply worried for the scale and violence of the US riots, which come to complicate an already complicated world. The world economy is barely holding with monetary oxygen being injected all over the world and these riots and its potential of making the US go even in deeper economic problems paints a bleak picture.

I see all governments doing whatever they can to keep the economy from crashing even more, hoping for a miracle. This is what has kept things seemingly bearable for many during these last 3 months. But I think these extraordinary measures can only be supported for a short period and as soon as it becomes clear that the pandemic is not going anywhere and people keeps dying, the sudden wave of desperation will make things even worst. Cue the petty forces that see in every crisis an opportunity to seize a measly quote of power, and we get violent and massive riots as the ones ongoing in the USA. Riots of this kind were ongoing here in Chile already in October 2019, and the economy tanked immediately, so we entered the pandemic already in a bad economic shape, so I know that these riots Now happening in the US are a terrible hit to the economy on their own, to compound an already bad situation to plunge it into an even worse.

The world is watching, as if the US can’t get ahold of the control and stop this madness, what is left to the rest of the world... I am deeply concerned, this couldn’t have come at a worse time.

Last Edited by Red Hot Chilean Pepe on 06/01/2020 10:02 AM

About the second wave in China: [link to www.epochtimes.com (secure)]

I don't think the official news coming from China can be trusted at all.

Information coming from China officially is totally unreliable, and non official information paints a completely different picture, the pandemic never stopped there, and they are just trying to keep the impression that it did.

The only countries that have been able to really curtail the pandemic but at the expense of harsh measures are Taiwan and New Zealand, both which reacted quickly and strongly. And they still get one case or two per week, even with all the measures they took.

Last Edited by Red Hot Chilean Pepe on 06/01/2020 10:01 AM

OP,

Thanks again for your most valuable insight!

As for me, I'm going to spend the rest of this day to get ready for the inevitable. If my strategy and plans work out, I will not have to leave my home for a relatively long time as I'll be able to avoid both the plague AND the riots. All I want is to be left alone, bro.

By this evening, I'll be well prepared to avoid MAD MAX>>

GM ,DR

the public doesn't realize how bad the economy really is yet. they blame it on the lockdowns. they only see that they can't go to work and many are layed off. due to the lockdowns the truth is covered up. we know CHINA is still offline.without CHINA producing stuff,our economy is screwed. many of those layed off have no work to go back to even as lockdowns are lifted.

the riots have added to the problem. they destroyed in less than a week more than CHINA has sent us in 4 months. the $$ damages is more than communities can handle. all local governments are broke since the sales tax incomes are so low.many businesses won't rebuild. they will take the insurance $$ and walk away.now less jobs will mean less revenue for the cities.

how bad will it get? i can't see it lasting another week. i do know there is talk of the rioters spreading out into smaller cities and towns.has started happening.think the government has to find a way to get more control soon. i think the public will have enuf of it and start fighting back.

if the fires start in residential areas,i estimate in 3days the ppl will put this "protest" down. the rioters will wish the National Guard was called in to stop them.

the general public sees the virus as a joke.it hasn't killed or made enuf sick. they think it burned out or was hyped by the media. many small rural areas only saw a handful of deaths. hard to judge what the virus is doing or will do next.life goes on as normal as it can for most ppl.

Thanks, OP for the recent analysis. We are living in a powder keg here and the match is lit.

2020.....the gift that keeps on giving.

What easing?


China still in lock-down, even if it's not a severe one, like they had before.


And this is why no second wave in China : they are still in lock-down.


Same with east Asia. Still in a form of lock-down.

DR the lockdowns will be in the cities, there is to much territory to lock down everything.

Another aspect of the riots, is that people are coming from all over the country and they are going to the areas where the hotspots were. I expect several smaller hotspots to break out in college towns and liberal towns in 2 to 4 weeks.

The second I went into what is happening in the U.S. and telling people what might happen if certain things will happen, I got 2 red karma.




Couldn't care less about red karma. It is irrelevant now what is happening on a forum.


The world is quickly moving to the Mad Max scenario.


Whether this was intentional or not. We're heading there. Fast.

Last Edited by Recollector on 06/01/2020 03:43 PM

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A female police lieutenant colonel is the latest person to fall out of a hospital window in Russia.

The feeling of 'impending doom' has been quite strong recently. A lot of other people I have spoken too feel the same. Feelings of depression, getting irritated at almost everything, anxiety etc is very strong among a lot of people.

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SPH Regents Professor @mtosterholm says too much attention is given to testing volumes and not enough on the purpose of a test, how accurate it is and interpreting the data.

I live in the suburbs about 40 miles of LA. They're organizing their protest here in our neighborhood. They are moving into the suburbs.

Very different from 92 LA riots when they were only in the city. I'm glad I have prepared.

DR,

I hope your brother and his friend (and the friend's father) are all okay. Thanks for the update. Take care.

Stage 2 angry max has begun

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I have planted five one thousand foot garden beds across my property, raised my number of chickens from 20 to over 50, our food stores are now near a year's worth for my friends and family, and I have bought another generator, another welder, and a few goats. Honey bees and worms are working, but I'm not apiarist yet.

The US is descending into South Africa territory. I don't see a rebound in my lifetime.

Yes, Northern China, the Jillean province or something like that has been shut down. It has not ended, just shifted. I really follow the work of the Epoch Times. They work with "China In Focus" a daily update of all news about China, the CPP and how the America and world news affects t them. It is remarked as unbiased reporting, and I try to watch it daily. This newscast is on YouTube.

Last Edited by La Listener on 06/02/2020 08:00 AM

DR , I am sorry for the folks in your life that have caught this bastard virus.

Hugs and prayers.

You are appreciated.

Hi DR, what do you think about Italy with only 60 deaths and 200 new infecteds yesterday, same infected from Spain, they are saying that the virus is not more a pandemic there and is all in control.

What happens when these clowns start attacking the power grid ?

No