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TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78723160  United States04/05/2020 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine And I will be GOD DAMNED There is ONLY ONE PERSON in the fucking country TELLING THE TRUTH about the success of these VENTILATORS. The PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES Donald TRUMP!! And by the way Cuomo needs to be prosecuted as a WAR CRIMINAL and PUT TO DEATH!!!!!!!!!! The wrongful death suits are going to be Biblical. The doctor in the video needs to be in witness protection before they can get to him. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78723160 United States04/05/2020 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine There's a hardcore attempt in this thread to discredit not only the OP but the doctor in the video. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78723160 For those of you who haven't seen the video(s) this good doctor put out, here is the gist of what he's saying. - Doctors are using the ventilators in such a fashion as to treat symptoms of Acute respiratory distress syndrome. (ARDS) High pressure oxygen is pumped into the lungs forcing them open when the patient can no longer do this for themself. -The patients this doctor is seeing aren't displaying typical ARDS symptoms but rather are displaying symptoms closer to pulmonary edema which is also called high altitude sickness. Pulmonary edema occurs when the alveoli fill up with excess fluid seeped out of the blood vessels in the lung instead of air. This can cause problems with the exchange of gas (oxygen and carbon dioxide), resulting in breathing difficulty and poor oxygenation of blood. Sometimes, this can be referred to as "water in the lungs" when describing the condition to patients. Basically, the patients are being starved of oxygen. -This doctor states he believes the treatment protocols are incorrect and believes using the ventilators in a fashion as to treat ARDS actually damages the lungs of the patients he's treating and is actually making their condition worse. -He states that it's difficult to change the protocols because the medical community assumes they are dealing with viral pneumonia when in fact he believes they are dealing with an entirely new disease that doesn't respond to ARDS treatment but is actually made worse by it. - He states ventilators can still be of use but that they need to be recalibrated to treat the symptoms he's seeing properly. -He asks other doctors for help in changing the protocols used in treating patients who as of now are being ventilated.  for the obvious shills trying to bury this post. I've noticed you won't debate this so I'll just keep bumping the truth.Just making sure this stays visible. I usually don't mind the shills too much but in this thread they're really pissing me off. Lives are at stake! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77684474 United States04/05/2020 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine He just said it in the press conference. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78738542 "You know it, I know it, and I am glad you don't write about it" in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine You have poor comprehension skills don't you? Let me try to explain it to you. He was not saying that ventilators are killing people. He is saying that once a person gets so bad in health that they require a ventilator to help TRY to keep them alive, their chances of beating the disease is less. It's not the ventilators killing the people it's the virus. If the medicine will help keep the patient from reaching the point of needing a ventilator, THAT'S A GOOD THING, because they have a better chance at recovery at that point. Look at it this way. If you get to the point where you are on a ventilator, you probably have a 50/50 chance of surviving, maybe less because the virus has really got a good grip on you. If the medicine keeps you from every having to get on a ventilator, it means the viral load is not as great in you and you have a much better chance of surviving this. It's pretty simple common sense. How you can twist such reasoning into "the ventilators are killing people" is just moronic. That is absolutely not what he said, liar. You cannot back this up with quotes because it is not what he says. Watch 1:30:50-1:33:03 and you will see. He says that when you are against the wall, try the drug IF YOU WANT. Try it, he says. Because, if you go onto the ventilator, you know what is going to happen. Anyone who, unlike you, is not a fucking liar, can figure out what he is saying. Also, shitbag, it's not a 50/50 chance you survive if you go onto a ventilator. Look up the numbers for yourself, and in the mean time, shut the fuck up. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48788615 United States04/05/2020 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine He meant that when people get sick enough for a vent, they usually don't recover from that point. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78746431 He did not mean that the ventilators are killing people. Fools. You all could work for CNN. DO you know a vent if to take over for muscles too weak to do their job? THAT is not the problem in young people. It is OXYGEN STARVATION. They cannot vent you if you are conscious |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48788615 United States04/05/2020 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 2) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 3) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 4) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 5) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 6) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 7) |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77051559 04/05/2020 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48788615 Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 2) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 3) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 4) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 5) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 6) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 7) YEAH! They surprised Trump taking out his national security adviser Flynn, surprised him when they scared Session into recusing himself based on illegal FISA warrants. The surprised Trump with the phony, illegal FISA based Mueller Russian probe. And surprised him with an hoax impeachment. I say it past time to surprise the surprisers. Time to take off the gloves and hang the traitors.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523666  Australia04/05/2020 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine So that Dr's claim could be correct? shiit! this is gonna go down as the worst thing they have pulled off... Medical costs are too high and people are living too long. They are just trimming the dead weight. Your thinking is old think. It's been shown a number of times that Everybody is getting Covid19, not just old people. 'getting it' is what's hyped. so you would say that. but with flu or any sickness, all people 'get it' and 'get over it'. young and old. babies and oldies. it's called life. so if young people get corona it doesnt surprise me. it's to be expected. it's not something to be hysterical about nor is it grounds to say someone else's thinking is old think. you need to look at who's dying from this? it's PREDOMINANTLY oldies around 80 yrs old with pre-existing conditions. old think is correct. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77736019 United States04/05/2020 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine He meant that when people get sick enough for a vent, they usually don't recover from that point. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78746431 He did not mean that the ventilators are killing people. Fools. You all could work for CNN. DO you know a vent if to take over for muscles too weak to do their job? THAT is not the problem in young people. It is OXYGEN STARVATION. They cannot vent you if you are conscious Also it's well known ventilators cause brain damage after several weeks of constant use. |
| Howl
User ID: 76530180 United States04/05/2020 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine So if Trump knows vents are killing people, you know damn well the governor on NY knows that too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77339651 of course he does, the chief infectious disease dr. of NY is telling them so. Looks like there's a clinical trial starting in New York that's trying out hyperbaric oxygen therapy for covid-19 patients. The doctor in Still's video mentioned it was like altitude sickness. Maybe they'll find some success. [link to clinicaltrials.gov (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40428927  Canada04/05/2020 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine Again, not a word about vitamins D, A, C. Especially D for everybody who is locked inside and does not spend time outside on the sun. Quoting: dmk This is really strange. GLP'ers tend to be hermits anyway. I am DYING without the sun. Been shitty, cloudy, rainy most of the last week on top of this. Nope! I spent almost all day by the lake! Didn't see anyone around just a couple of trucks drove by so I am still practicing social distancing! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76792534 United States04/05/2020 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine At the CV Task force for Sunday, the scroll at the bottom on FOX news said Trump says Hydroxychloriquine may work and may not. VP Pense said they are testing it on 3000 people, and that they are "prepared" to deliver to Doctors and Hospitals around the country. So they are letting people die, or develop severe symptoms, because they do not want to give it out to the public yet? It has already been "approved" for use in Covid-19 cases, but they still want to do studies for months, letting a lot of people die, so they can publish a paper 2 years from now about the drugs effectiveness. If they gave all of the people who are showing any symptoms, the Hydroxychloroquine/ Azethrormycin/Zinc combo, they would not need all the ventilators that they are using now, and have far less hospitalizations. 85 out of 100 people who are on ventilators for CV die! I believe they don't want to have success from it because it may keep companies from spending the money to develop vaccines, and other drugs that would be more profitable for the Pharmaceutical industry. The primary purpose of the FDA is to ensure profitability for the drug companies. |
| dogman17
User ID: 2978184 United States04/05/2020 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine I tried to read up on the hydroxychloriquine. The best I can gather is that it helps to reduce the inflammatory process which is why it is used for rheumatoid arthritis and lupus. Quoting: Pees and Ques It can cause heart damage. It can cause hypoglycemia and if someone is on insulin or diabetic drugs they should keep this in mind. It can also cause liver damage with long term/high dose use. From what I am reading, its use may not be ideal for those with underlying problems who are at highest risk of dying from the Covid. If the responder above was seriously ill with COVID-19 and their doctor recommended Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin pills, wouldn't the responder say "Let me have those Trump pills." Last Edited by dogman17 on 04/05/2020 08:42 PM Just don't make anything up. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73784532 United States04/05/2020 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48788615 Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 2) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 3) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 4) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 5) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 6) Thread: Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump will be challenged by a "surprise global disease outbreak." (Page 7) YEAH! They surprised Trump taking out his national security adviser Flynn, surprised him when they scared Session into recusing himself based on illegal FISA warrants. The surprised Trump with the phony, illegal FISA based Mueller Russian probe. And surprised him with an hoax impeachment. I say it past time to surprise the surprisers. Time to take off the gloves and hang the traitors. President CHUMP |
| MarPep
User ID: 78726985 United States04/05/2020 10:15 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: TRUMP ADMITS THE VENTS ARE KILLING PEOPLE! Ventilators ---in defense of chloroquine / hydrochloroquine Who pinned this sh:t?? Trump said no such thing. It is a fact that when people are sick with pneumonia to the point of needing a ventilator, they are at deaths door-- and it would be wonderful if we found a cheap and effective medicine that could prevent CoV19 patients from getting so far gone Quoting: MarPep They can still survive with antibiotics and cpap machine without vent in many cases and have better outcome. Most physicians (ER and pulmonologists) won't intubate till CPAP fails to keep patient conscious and breathing. It's a whole lot more trouble for the docs to keep the patient on a ventilator than to set them in a corner on CPAP and let them die--which is what would happen ("trouble"---excluding lawsuits for failure to put patient on ventilator) _______________ They let me off with a warning and a couple of bullet holes. |
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