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Will this disintegration create a new annual meteor shower?
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No, the minimum orbit intersect distance is over half the distance to the sun.
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Will this disintegration create a new annual meteor shower?
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No, the minimum orbit intersect distance is over half the distance to the sun.
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Darn, can't get no fun from C2019 y4
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If comet atlas is disintegrating why only now? Why it didn't break up the last time it went in the inner solar system 4-5000 years ago?
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Because 4-5 thousand years ago we didn't have the Space Force
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If comet atlas is disintegrating why only now? Why it didn't break up the last time it went in the inner solar system 4-5000 years ago?
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Because 4-5 thousand years ago we didn't have the Space Force
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Solar output could impact this, I believe.
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Why are people not talking about the coming magnetosphere and pole shift that's on it way? Everyone seems to be concentrated on a comet. There's still events playing out that will affect the earth in a huge way.
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b/c its not true and fake bullshit

whats your evidence and sources?
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Will this disintegration create a new annual meteor shower?
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No, the minimum orbit intersect distance is over half the distance to the sun.
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Darn, can't get no fun from C2019 y4
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Who knows what will happen? This is a primarily a disinfo/propaganda website and no moderators should be trusted as truth-tellers, ever. Just as possible as it "disintegrating" is the possibility that the comet became known about too widely, too early and a new disinfo narrative about it "disintegrating" created to quiet people down. We'll know soon enough what the real story is.
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If you think this is a disinfo website, if you think this is a disinfo thread and that I somehow faked the entire webcast last night, then leave. No one is forcing you to be here. Here, I'll help you out so you won't accidentally have to see this again.
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No, the minimum orbit intersect distance is over half the distance to the sun.
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Darn, can't get no fun from C2019 y4
 Quoting: Nonentity


Who knows what will happen? This is a primarily a disinfo/propaganda website and no moderators should be trusted as truth-tellers, ever. Just as possible as it "disintegrating" is the possibility that the comet became known about too widely, too early and a new disinfo narrative about it "disintegrating" created to quiet people down. We'll know soon enough what the real story is.
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If you think this is a disinfo website, if you think this is a disinfo thread and that I somehow faked the entire webcast last night, then leave. No one is forcing you to be here. Here, I'll help you out so you won't accidentally have to see this again.
 Quoting: Astromut


He could easily look at other sources that say the same damned thing.

Is there any chance it could still give us a decent show late next month or do you think our chances this go 'round are toast? I was really looking forward to this comet but I knew after ISON not to get my hopes too high.

I got a decent pic of Q2 lovejoy in January 2014 though so it wasn't all bad and it got me into astronomy as a hobby.
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Darn, can't get no fun from C2019 y4
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Who knows what will happen? This is a primarily a disinfo/propaganda website and no moderators should be trusted as truth-tellers, ever. Just as possible as it "disintegrating" is the possibility that the comet became known about too widely, too early and a new disinfo narrative about it "disintegrating" created to quiet people down. We'll know soon enough what the real story is.
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If you think this is a disinfo website, if you think this is a disinfo thread and that I somehow faked the entire webcast last night, then leave. No one is forcing you to be here. Here, I'll help you out so you won't accidentally have to see this again.
 Quoting: Astromut


He could easily look at other sources that say the same damned thing.
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I shouldn't be surprised at anything anymore, but this seems to be the new conspiracy line, to claim that the disintegration is a fabricated narrative and anyone who posts evidence of it disintegrating is lying. Some of these frauds are so invested in this comet that they can't admit the basic truth about its fate. I've seen this claim on YouTube as well:
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Is there any chance it could still give us a decent show late next month or do you think our chances this go 'round are toast?
 Quoting: AC

It's not impossible that some fragment of the nucleus could start outgassing again as it heats up closer to the sun, but it doesn't seem likely.
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Hi Astromut!
Whatever happened when you went down to South America a few years back to do some photography? Did you ever make it down there? If you did I must have missed the Thread you made from that adventure. Glad to see you back home.
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I went to South Africa, not South America. I had a great time. Saw stars have never seen before, saw the magellanic clouds, saw alpha centauri, and went on safari. Ironically the best photograph I've ever taken ended up being a leopard. He stared right up at me right as I clicked the shutter. It was a perfect moment that I don't think I'll ever top.
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Beautiful!

Cheers for being a real man and shooting that beauty with a camera!

Wow
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WOAHSHIT!!!
Ok, full disclosure - I peed a little looking at the picture.
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Aww the pretty kitty
Hmmmm...
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The forecast is calling for clear skies tonight, to my surprise. Should I do another livestream of whatever's left of the comet again tonight?
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The forecast is calling for clear skies tonight, to my surprise. Should I do another livestream of whatever's left of the comet again tonight?
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Yes please...thank you for your hard work. hf
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The forecast is calling for clear skies tonight, to my surprise. Should I do another livestream of whatever's left of the comet again tonight?
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Yes, please! hfhfhf
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The forecast is calling for clear skies tonight, to my surprise. Should I do another livestream of whatever's left of the comet again tonight?
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Yes, please! hfhfhf
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So no more outer space or firmament doom?
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The forecast is calling for clear skies tonight, to my surprise. Should I do another livestream of whatever's left of the comet again tonight?
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Yes please...thank you for your hard work. hf
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I don't mind the hard work, but I am giving up an opportunity to track the space station tonight. I can only do one of the other but I suppose I can see the space station later. Can't necessarily say the same for the comet.
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Reasonable explanation
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But it’s not hot in space
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Reasonable rebuttal
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The comet's temperature is not driven by convection heating of course, but it is driven by direct solar heating from the sun's light. As it gets closer to the sun, the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface increases exponentially.
 Quoting: Astromut


Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that "(...) the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface" was an inverse-square law, and not an exponential function:

S(d)= 0.0001· (L/(4 · Pi · d^2)) (W/cm^2)

where

S(d) = Solar Flux Density;
L = Solar Luminosity = 3.9 · 10^26 W;
d = distance (Comet, Sun).

If this is not the case, please would you mind to write that exponential function?

Thanks in advance.
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But it’s not hot in space
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Reasonable rebuttal
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The comet's temperature is not driven by convection heating of course, but it is driven by direct solar heating from the sun's light. As it gets closer to the sun, the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface increases exponentially.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that "(...) the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface" was an inverse-square law, and not an exponential function:

S(d)= 0.0001· (L/(4 · Pi · d^2)) (W/cm^2)

where

S(d) = Solar Flux Density;
L = Solar Luminosity = 3.9 · 10^26 W;
d = distance (Comet, Sun).

If this is not the case, please would you mind to write that exponential function?

Thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77183094

Right, the energy decreases with the square of the distance. Exponential with distance.
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Reasonable rebuttal
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The comet's temperature is not driven by convection heating of course, but it is driven by direct solar heating from the sun's light. As it gets closer to the sun, the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface increases exponentially.
 Quoting: Astromut


Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that "(...) the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface" was an inverse-square law, and not an exponential function:

S(d)= 0.0001· (L/(4 · Pi · d^2)) (W/cm^2)

where

S(d) = Solar Flux Density;
L = Solar Luminosity = 3.9 · 10^26 W;
d = distance (Comet, Sun).

If this is not the case, please would you mind to write that exponential function?

Thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77183094

Right, the energy decreases with the square of the distance. Exponential with distance.
 Quoting: Astromut


What? I do not understand. Please, write de exponential function with the distance, d, as the independent variable. Thanks for your time.
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The comet's temperature is not driven by convection heating of course, but it is driven by direct solar heating from the sun's light. As it gets closer to the sun, the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface increases exponentially.
 Quoting: Astromut


Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that "(...) the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface" was an inverse-square law, and not an exponential function:

S(d)= 0.0001· (L/(4 · Pi · d^2)) (W/cm^2)

where

S(d) = Solar Flux Density;
L = Solar Luminosity = 3.9 · 10^26 W;
d = distance (Comet, Sun).

If this is not the case, please would you mind to write that exponential function?

Thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77183094

Right, the energy decreases with the square of the distance. Exponential with distance.
 Quoting: Astromut


What? I do not understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77183094


It's pretty simple, d is already squared in your equation and you can plainly see that the flux decreases with the square of the distance in your equation.

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Posted tonight around 8:30pm EST
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Posted tonight around 8:30pm EST
 Quoting: OnTheFence


Geez, he puts Ferrada on there as a "scholar" in the same category as Harrington or Whitmire? Yeesh, and I'm not too thrilled with the amount of JAQ'ing off that goes on in the video, acting like it's strange that the mainstream media isn't talking about this comet.
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The forecast is calling for clear skies tonight, to my surprise. Should I do another livestream of whatever's left of the comet again tonight?
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Yes please...thank you for your hard work. hf
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I don't mind the hard work, but I am giving up an opportunity to track the space station tonight. I can only do one of the other but I suppose I can see the space station later. Can't necessarily say the same for the comet.
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Starlink will take out the space station eventually.
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It's pretty simple, d is already squared in your equation and you can plainly see that the flux decreases with the square of the distance in your equation.
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Oh, that's exactly what the French poster wrote in his post:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that "(...) the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface" was an inverse-square law, and not an exponential function:

S(d)= 0.0001· (L/(4 · Pi · d^2)) (W/cm^2)

where

S(d) = Solar Flux Density;
L = Solar Luminosity = 3.9 · 10^26 W;
d = distance (Comet, Sun).
 Quoting: French poster 77183094



What he don't understand is your claim:
... As it gets closer to the sun, the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface increases exponentially.
 Quoting: Astromut

What he don't understand is, how you transform the inverse square law, with a variable base and a fixed exponent, into an exponential function that is quite the opposite with a fixed base and a variable exponent; the reason why he asked you politely for an explanation.
Btw. something I'd like to know, too. But since you don't teach basic maths, I fear, I have to die dumb.


Your answer to the French poster:
Right, the energy decreases with the square of the distance. Exponential with distance.
 Quoting: Astromut

I think, we can put it into the category: gibberish.


I have more productive uses of my time than teaching you basic mathematics.
 Quoting: Astromut

Let me tell you an anecdote: On a comment of the presiding officer of German parliament another politician replied: "Begging your pardon, Mr. President, you are an asshole".

How does that apply to you? - Sorry Astro, but I have more productive uses of my time than teaching you basic manners.

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It's pretty simple, d is already squared in your equation and you can plainly see that the flux decreases with the square of the distance in your equation.
 Quoting: Astromut

Oh, that's exactly what the French poster wrote in his post:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that "(...) the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface" was an inverse-square law, and not an exponential function:

S(d)= 0.0001· (L/(4 · Pi · d^2)) (W/cm^2)

where

S(d) = Solar Flux Density;
L = Solar Luminosity = 3.9 · 10^26 W;
d = distance (Comet, Sun).
 Quoting: French poster 77183094



What he don't understand is your claim:
... As it gets closer to the sun, the amount of energy it feels on every square centimeter of its surface increases exponentially.
 Quoting: Astromut

What he don't understand is, how you transform the inverse square law, with a variable base and a fixed exponent, into an exponential function that is quite the opposite with a fixed base and a variable exponent; the reason why he asked you politely for an explanation.
Btw. something I'd like to know, too. But since you don't teach basic maths, I fear, I have to die dumb.


Your answer to the French poster:
Right, the energy decreases with the square of the distance. Exponential with distance.
 Quoting: Astromut

I think, we can put it into the category: gibberish.


I have more productive uses of my time than teaching you basic mathematics.
 Quoting: Astromut

Let me tell you an anecdote: On a comment of the presiding officer of German parliament another politician replied: "Begging your pardon, Mr. President, you are an asshole".

How does that apply to you? - Sorry Astro, but I have more productive uses of my time than teaching you basic manners.

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 Quoting: Hydra


I wasn't trying to suggest it had a variable exponent only that it increases with the square of the distance. I'm sorry if that was miscommunicated, I will try to be better about that in the future.
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I wasn't trying to suggest it had a variable exponent only that it increases with the square of the distance. I'm sorry if that was miscommunicated, I will try to be better about that in the future.
 Quoting: Astromut

Yep,that's what I assumed: picking an unfortunate word to simplify it for the laymen.

The French poster gave you the opportunity to define your claim more precisely, in a, in my opinion, very polite way.

I understand that your skin got thin with all the attacks on you - but you should discern a little bit more between posters who just attack you and posters who have a genuine question or try to point out an error/mistake/unfortunate wording. That is something I miss lately.

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I wasn't trying to suggest it had a variable exponent only that it increases with the square of the distance. I'm sorry if that was miscommunicated, I will try to be better about that in the future.
 Quoting: Astromut

Yep,that's what I assumed: picking an unfortunate word to simplify it for the laymen.

The French poster gave you the opportunity to define your claim more precisely, in a, in my opinion, very polite way.

I understand that your skin got thin with all the attacks on you - but you should discern a little bit more between posters who just attack you and posters who have a genuine question or try to point out an error/mistake/unfortunate wording. That is something I miss lately.

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 Quoting: Hydra


You're right and I am sorry. I have been running on no sleep this week and I was tired and irritable yesterday. I'll try to avoid jumping to conclusions, especially if I'm not in a good frame of mind.
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