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30 Year-Old, Healthy Co-Worker Dies From COVID-19 Complications...

 
AkashicRecord®  (OP)

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it's a shame when they are still treating this as pneumonia when they know better. people need not die. this amounts to medical malpractice.

people are desaturating oxygen from their blood. they need a transfusion or some drugs to treat this.
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The problem with this person's case was that he was told to stay home when he originally wanted to go to the hospital. In the ensuing week his fever spiked and he had developed trouble breathing. I imagine the doctors assumed he would be fine, especially considering what shape he was in, and his age.

He was prescribed Hydroxychloroquine but it wasn't filled due to not being FDA approved!? It only took him a few days to die after that point, especially once ventilated, and he developed a clot (likely from being weak, bed-ridden, and prone) which traveled to his heart, etc. I'm imagining a cytokine storm and so on facilitated everything, which seems typical in these severe cases.

The damnedest things can kill you when this shit ultimately goes south. Same thing with severe influenza, of course...


We are all collecting some money here at work for the family.
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he was denied the live saving drug then he was put on a ventilator to destroy his lungs.

such a shame they have to get their covid death numbers somehow/
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73531925


Exactly right.
The asshole that denied filling the prescription should be sued into bankruptcy.
There is no reason to refuse a legal prescription from a licenced practitioner for a non abusable drug.
Off label uses are not illegal.

So, it seems that GOVT playing doctor is the one to blame for his death AS THE PROXIMATE CAUSE.
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So I have another co-worker who's daughter is actually a pharmacist. He just asked for her take on this just a few minutes ago. She said that some pharmacies are having supply issues with HCQ and it essentially is given priority to lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients.

My issue here with this particular case is that the family was told it was because of "FDA approval"...not a supply or shortage issue... No bueno!!!
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Apparently Blood type is the determining factor on how severe it gets, much like Malaria.

Blood Type A = Severe

Blood Type O = Mild
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73573537


The study came out of China (if you can believe anything coming out of China) and it showed that A was somewhat more likely to get the disease and O was somewhat less likely to get the disease. It didn't go into how mild or severe the cases were.

"They found that in the normal population, type A was 31 percent, type B was 24 percent, type AB was 9 percent, and type O was 34 percent.

In those with the virus, type A was 38 percent, type B was 26 percent, type AB was 10 percent, and type O was 25 percent.

The researchers concluded that “blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups. Whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease compared with non-A blood groups.”"

[link to www.healthline.com (secure)]
 Quoting: GA Girl

Why would China lie about this blood type related research? What would China gain by lying about this? This was simply observation that can be made by any other country if they're willing. Since this was not data that's hard to collect by any other country, there's no point China would lie about this.
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The problem with this person's case was that he was told to stay home when he originally wanted to go to the hospital. In the ensuing week his fever spiked and he had developed trouble breathing. I imagine the doctors assumed he would be fine, especially considering what shape he was in, and his age.

He was prescribed Hydroxychloroquine but it wasn't filled due to not being FDA approved!? It only took him a few days to die after that point, especially once ventilated, and he developed a clot (likely from being weak, bed-ridden, and prone) which traveled to his heart, etc. I'm imagining a cytokine storm and so on facilitated everything, which seems typical in these severe cases.

The damnedest things can kill you when this shit ultimately goes south. Same thing with severe influenza, of course...


We are all collecting some money here at work for the family.
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


he was denied the live saving drug then he was put on a ventilator to destroy his lungs.

such a shame they have to get their covid death numbers somehow/
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73531925


Exactly right.
The asshole that denied filling the prescription should be sued into bankruptcy.
There is no reason to refuse a legal prescription from a licenced practitioner for a non abusable drug.
Off label uses are not illegal.

So, it seems that GOVT playing doctor is the one to blame for his death AS THE PROXIMATE CAUSE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437


So I have another co-worker who's daughter is actually a pharmacist. He just asked for her take on this just a few minutes ago. She said that some pharmacies are having supply issues with HCQ and it essentially is given priority to lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients.

My issue here with this particular case is that the family was told it was because of "FDA approval"...not a supply or shortage issue... No bueno!!!
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®

Perhaps it's not coming into thought when one is in panic, but as a common sense, you don't want to depend on only one drug like Chloroquine for the solution. If there's no Chloroquine available, at the start of the first fever symptom, it could be good to start with something that's more widely available like high dose vitamin C. MMS or Chlorine Dioxide is another less widely known option to fight viruses and parasites if that's available. The point is, one should not depend on only one solution.
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That is crazy that he was denied a drug that could have saved his life.

My sympathies for his family. It's great that all his coworkers are giving money to help them out. hf
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Although my story is not related to the current pandemic, there is a lesson here. My 93 year old dad was doing poorly, an experiencing a sudden rise in blood pressure. The meds prescribed caused fluid retention and his ankles started to swell. One thing led to another and one morning early he called my sister and said he was having trouble breathing. She immediately took him to the ER where they did a bunch of tests to figure out the problem. He was diagnosed with coronary heart disease. He hasn't had any problems with his heart his whole life, except for a slight arrhythmia which was caused by a medication he once was taking. So I knew something was up.

They admitted him to the hospital for observation. An x-ray showed some fluid around the lungs. Gee, I wonder if that's why he can't breathe. My sister said they were going to aspirate the fluid. OK, great. She calls me from the hospital early next morning crying, saying he has lost his mind. Apparently he was delusional and didn't know where he was or what day it was, thought he had been there five days and was mad that she hadn't been to visit him. This is less than 24 hours after he was admitted. The nurse on duty thought that he was always combative and delusional, because nobody bothered to look at his notes. Turns out they hadn't fed him since he was admitted. My sister had brought some home made oatmeal for him and after he ate he was fine.

So then I proceed to ask her how did it go with aspirating the fluid off his lungs. She said she didn't think they had done it yet. I said WHAT? Told her to demand to speak to the doctor. Doctor was not available. I said ask the charge nurse when they are going to do the aspiration. Nurse doesn't know. I said you have to start getting rude, demand that they do it or you are moving him to another hospital. I literally said to her, "We have to get him out of there before they kill him!"

Well they finally did the aspiration the next day, almost 3 days after admitting him. THEY TOOK OVER 2.5 LITERS of fluid out of his chest cavity. Suddenly he feels fine and wants to go home, what a surprise.

So I ask you, who are these geniuses who are caring for our loved ones? Do they have any sense of urgency? Are they trying to figure out the cause of the problem? Are they looking for genuine solutions? Do they communicate with one another? I've met many fine medical people, but honestly they're just people.

That young man didn't need to die from COVID19. There were several obvious points where huge mistakes were made by people who should have known better. He should have been driven to the emergency room of the best local hospital and wheeled in in a wheelchair until they admitted him. And somebody should have called an attorney for a court order when the Hydroxycholoroquine prescription was refused.

Be very careful to monitor the condition of your loved ones who become ill, and DON'T PRESUME THAT THE DOCTOR IS NOTICING EVERYTHING. Make a nuisance of yourself if you need to. Move the person to a different hospital if you feel they are not getting top level care.
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Was he portly?
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Apparently Blood type is the determining factor on how severe it gets, much like Malaria.

Blood Type A = Severe

Blood Type O = Mild
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73573537


I just tested my blood with a kit I bought on Amazon for $9, since I did not know mine. Luckily it tested as O+!
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How would anyone ever know what they died from. Doesn’t anyone question why you can’t be with your loved ones as they die? If you were suited up why not? You can be up close, right between the legs, when your baby is born. But can’t suit up like the nurses? They get their numbers one way or the other. Maybe they are killing them. No witnesses like family there. How convenient.
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Just because someone appears outwardly healthy , doesn't mean that they are inwardly healthy.

That's whats missing here.

He might have been on drugs. Or a heavy alcohol user.
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Which is why I just ordered some Cinchona bark!

If they refused me Chloroquine I would call a lawyer immediately.
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Which is why I just ordered some Cinchona bark!

If they refused me Chloroquine I would call a lawyer immediately.
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^^^^ Survivor mentality ^^^^
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Apparently Blood type is the determining factor on how severe it gets, much like Malaria.

Blood Type A = Severe

Blood Type O = Mild
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73573537


The study came out of China (if you can believe anything coming out of China) and it showed that A was somewhat more likely to get the disease and O was somewhat less likely to get the disease. It didn't go into how mild or severe the cases were.

"They found that in the normal population, type A was 31 percent, type B was 24 percent, type AB was 9 percent, and type O was 34 percent.

In those with the virus, type A was 38 percent, type B was 26 percent, type AB was 10 percent, and type O was 25 percent.

The researchers concluded that “blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups. Whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease compared with non-A blood groups.”"

[link to www.healthline.com (secure)]
 Quoting: GA Girl


I'd be curious to see the O- / O+ breakdown.
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Was he portly?
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Absolutely not!
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This hoax is doomy.
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doesn't help that so many Doctors use Covid 19 as as default cause of death on every fricken death certificate since January....


frick! yeah I said frick!

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I know of a person who has it who now has Encephalitis.
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The pharmacy did what? Are you serious?

WtF?

This pisses me off.
Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!

Oh,and screw tepco & the V.A.



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Which is why I just ordered some Cinchona bark!

If they refused me Chloroquine I would call a lawyer immediately.
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Agreed

I have a script for my arthritis.
Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!

Oh,and screw tepco & the V.A.



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Apparently Blood type is the determining factor on how severe it gets, much like Malaria.

Blood Type A = Severe

Blood Type O = Mild
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73573537


And Type B neg?
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it's a shame when they are still treating this as pneumonia when they know better. people need not die. this amounts to medical malpractice.

people are desaturating oxygen from their blood. they need a transfusion or some drugs to treat this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73531925


The problem with this person's case was that he was told to stay home when he originally wanted to go to the hospital. In the ensuing week his fever spiked and he had developed trouble breathing. I imagine the doctors assumed he would be fine, especially considering what shape he was in, and his age.

He was prescribed Hydroxychloroquine but it wasn't filled due to not being FDA approved!? It only took him a few days to die after that point, especially once ventilated, and he developed a clot (likely from being weak, bed-ridden, and prone) which traveled to his heart, etc. I'm imagining a cytokine storm and so on facilitated everything, which seems typical in these severe cases.

The damnedest things can kill you when this shit ultimately goes south. Same thing with severe influenza, of course...


We are all collecting some money here at work for the family.
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


he was denied the live saving drug then he was put on a ventilator to destroy his lungs.

such a shame they have to get their covid death numbers somehow/
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73531925


hesright
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Apparently Blood type is the determining factor on how severe it gets, much like Malaria.

Blood Type A = Severe

Blood Type O = Mild
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73573537


Chile is laughing then: only 8% Bloody type A
Embrace the cognitive dissonance.
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How do you find out your blood type ?

I know they do it before surgery - but I was never told and it’s been 30 years since I had surgery

Is it in your annual blood test records for Cholesterol and stuff?
 Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable


I bought a test online when I was trying to follow the blood type diet. They sent me a kit with a thing to poke your finger and a swatch to put the blood on. I sent it back and my results were online in about 2 weeks. I cant remember the website, it has been a long time. I am a B positive.





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