30 Year-Old, Healthy Co-Worker Dies From COVID-19 Complications... | |
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(OP) User ID: 78041622 United States 04/14/2020 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's a shame when they are still treating this as pneumonia when they know better. people need not die. this amounts to medical malpractice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73531925 people are desaturating oxygen from their blood. they need a transfusion or some drugs to treat this. The problem with this person's case was that he was told to stay home when he originally wanted to go to the hospital. In the ensuing week his fever spiked and he had developed trouble breathing. I imagine the doctors assumed he would be fine, especially considering what shape he was in, and his age. He was prescribed Hydroxychloroquine but it wasn't filled due to not being FDA approved!? It only took him a few days to die after that point, especially once ventilated, and he developed a clot (likely from being weak, bed-ridden, and prone) which traveled to his heart, etc. I'm imagining a cytokine storm and so on facilitated everything, which seems typical in these severe cases. The damnedest things can kill you when this shit ultimately goes south. Same thing with severe influenza, of course... We are all collecting some money here at work for the family. he was denied the live saving drug then he was put on a ventilator to destroy his lungs. such a shame they have to get their covid death numbers somehow/ Exactly right. The asshole that denied filling the prescription should be sued into bankruptcy. There is no reason to refuse a legal prescription from a licenced practitioner for a non abusable drug. Off label uses are not illegal. So, it seems that GOVT playing doctor is the one to blame for his death AS THE PROXIMATE CAUSE. So I have another co-worker who's daughter is actually a pharmacist. He just asked for her take on this just a few minutes ago. She said that some pharmacies are having supply issues with HCQ and it essentially is given priority to lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients. My issue here with this particular case is that the family was told it was because of "FDA approval"...not a supply or shortage issue... No bueno!!! Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78524002 United States 04/14/2020 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently Blood type is the determining factor on how severe it gets, much like Malaria. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73573537 Blood Type A = Severe Blood Type O = Mild The study came out of China (if you can believe anything coming out of China) and it showed that A was somewhat more likely to get the disease and O was somewhat less likely to get the disease. It didn't go into how mild or severe the cases were. "They found that in the normal population, type A was 31 percent, type B was 24 percent, type AB was 9 percent, and type O was 34 percent. In those with the virus, type A was 38 percent, type B was 26 percent, type AB was 10 percent, and type O was 25 percent. The researchers concluded that “blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups. Whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease compared with non-A blood groups.”" [link to www.healthline.com (secure)] Why would China lie about this blood type related research? What would China gain by lying about this? This was simply observation that can be made by any other country if they're willing. Since this was not data that's hard to collect by any other country, there's no point China would lie about this. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78524002 United States 04/14/2020 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: AkashicRecord® The problem with this person's case was that he was told to stay home when he originally wanted to go to the hospital. In the ensuing week his fever spiked and he had developed trouble breathing. I imagine the doctors assumed he would be fine, especially considering what shape he was in, and his age. He was prescribed Hydroxychloroquine but it wasn't filled due to not being FDA approved!? It only took him a few days to die after that point, especially once ventilated, and he developed a clot (likely from being weak, bed-ridden, and prone) which traveled to his heart, etc. I'm imagining a cytokine storm and so on facilitated everything, which seems typical in these severe cases. The damnedest things can kill you when this shit ultimately goes south. Same thing with severe influenza, of course... We are all collecting some money here at work for the family. he was denied the live saving drug then he was put on a ventilator to destroy his lungs. such a shame they have to get their covid death numbers somehow/ Exactly right. The asshole that denied filling the prescription should be sued into bankruptcy. There is no reason to refuse a legal prescription from a licenced practitioner for a non abusable drug. Off label uses are not illegal. So, it seems that GOVT playing doctor is the one to blame for his death AS THE PROXIMATE CAUSE. So I have another co-worker who's daughter is actually a pharmacist. He just asked for her take on this just a few minutes ago. She said that some pharmacies are having supply issues with HCQ and it essentially is given priority to lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients. My issue here with this particular case is that the family was told it was because of "FDA approval"...not a supply or shortage issue... No bueno!!! Perhaps it's not coming into thought when one is in panic, but as a common sense, you don't want to depend on only one drug like Chloroquine for the solution. If there's no Chloroquine available, at the start of the first fever symptom, it could be good to start with something that's more widely available like high dose vitamin C. MMS or Chlorine Dioxide is another less widely known option to fight viruses and parasites if that's available. The point is, one should not depend on only one solution. |
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Butters User ID: 78608882 United States 04/14/2020 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is crazy that he was denied a drug that could have saved his life. My sympathies for his family. It's great that all his coworkers are giving money to help them out. "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." - Fox Mulder - The X-Files "Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans." - John Lennon |
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User ID: 77763753 United States 04/14/2020 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They admitted him to the hospital for observation. An x-ray showed some fluid around the lungs. Gee, I wonder if that's why he can't breathe. My sister said they were going to aspirate the fluid. OK, great. She calls me from the hospital early next morning crying, saying he has lost his mind. Apparently he was delusional and didn't know where he was or what day it was, thought he had been there five days and was mad that she hadn't been to visit him. This is less than 24 hours after he was admitted. The nurse on duty thought that he was always combative and delusional, because nobody bothered to look at his notes. Turns out they hadn't fed him since he was admitted. My sister had brought some home made oatmeal for him and after he ate he was fine. So then I proceed to ask her how did it go with aspirating the fluid off his lungs. She said she didn't think they had done it yet. I said WHAT? Told her to demand to speak to the doctor. Doctor was not available. I said ask the charge nurse when they are going to do the aspiration. Nurse doesn't know. I said you have to start getting rude, demand that they do it or you are moving him to another hospital. I literally said to her, "We have to get him out of there before they kill him!" Well they finally did the aspiration the next day, almost 3 days after admitting him. THEY TOOK OVER 2.5 LITERS of fluid out of his chest cavity. Suddenly he feels fine and wants to go home, what a surprise. So I ask you, who are these geniuses who are caring for our loved ones? Do they have any sense of urgency? Are they trying to figure out the cause of the problem? Are they looking for genuine solutions? Do they communicate with one another? I've met many fine medical people, but honestly they're just people. That young man didn't need to die from COVID19. There were several obvious points where huge mistakes were made by people who should have known better. He should have been driven to the emergency room of the best local hospital and wheeled in in a wheelchair until they admitted him. And somebody should have called an attorney for a court order when the Hydroxycholoroquine prescription was refused. Be very careful to monitor the condition of your loved ones who become ill, and DON'T PRESUME THAT THE DOCTOR IS NOTICING EVERYTHING. Make a nuisance of yourself if you need to. Move the person to a different hospital if you feel they are not getting top level care. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76793049 United States 04/14/2020 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How would anyone ever know what they died from. Doesn’t anyone question why you can’t be with your loved ones as they die? If you were suited up why not? You can be up close, right between the legs, when your baby is born. But can’t suit up like the nurses? They get their numbers one way or the other. Maybe they are killing them. No witnesses like family there. How convenient. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78682637 United States 04/14/2020 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently Blood type is the determining factor on how severe it gets, much like Malaria. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73573537 Blood Type A = Severe Blood Type O = Mild The study came out of China (if you can believe anything coming out of China) and it showed that A was somewhat more likely to get the disease and O was somewhat less likely to get the disease. It didn't go into how mild or severe the cases were. "They found that in the normal population, type A was 31 percent, type B was 24 percent, type AB was 9 percent, and type O was 34 percent. In those with the virus, type A was 38 percent, type B was 26 percent, type AB was 10 percent, and type O was 25 percent. The researchers concluded that “blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups. Whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease compared with non-A blood groups.”" [link to www.healthline.com (secure)] I'd be curious to see the O- / O+ breakdown. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32257018 United States 04/14/2020 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's a shame when they are still treating this as pneumonia when they know better. people need not die. this amounts to medical malpractice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73531925 people are desaturating oxygen from their blood. they need a transfusion or some drugs to treat this. The problem with this person's case was that he was told to stay home when he originally wanted to go to the hospital. In the ensuing week his fever spiked and he had developed trouble breathing. I imagine the doctors assumed he would be fine, especially considering what shape he was in, and his age. He was prescribed Hydroxychloroquine but it wasn't filled due to not being FDA approved!? It only took him a few days to die after that point, especially once ventilated, and he developed a clot (likely from being weak, bed-ridden, and prone) which traveled to his heart, etc. I'm imagining a cytokine storm and so on facilitated everything, which seems typical in these severe cases. The damnedest things can kill you when this shit ultimately goes south. Same thing with severe influenza, of course... We are all collecting some money here at work for the family. he was denied the live saving drug then he was put on a ventilator to destroy his lungs. such a shame they have to get their covid death numbers somehow/ |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77355808 United States 04/14/2020 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How do you find out your blood type ? Quoting: Theobromine The Deplorable I know they do it before surgery - but I was never told and it’s been 30 years since I had surgery Is it in your annual blood test records for Cholesterol and stuff? I bought a test online when I was trying to follow the blood type diet. They sent me a kit with a thing to poke your finger and a swatch to put the blood on. I sent it back and my results were online in about 2 weeks. I cant remember the website, it has been a long time. I am a B positive. |