Is baptism really required of a disciple? Why did Jesus get baptized, was he a sinner?

Hmmmm.

Really, one doesn't have to be accepted by Jesus, sounds like the 'broad and spacious road, no?
And he traveled from city to city and from village to village, teaching and continuing on his journey to Jerusalem. 23 Now a man said to him: “Lord, are those being saved few?” He said to them: 24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able. 25 When the householder gets up and locks the door, you will stand outside knocking at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to you: ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our main streets.’ 27 But he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from. Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness!’ 28 There is where your weeping and the gnashing of your teeth will be, Lk13:22

Ok Jordon I just did, now keep on the watch and wait for some means of being contacted.

During the 1,000 year reign will the dead, if devolving a qualified attitude need to be baptized?

Others didn't receive Holy Spirit until even later developments. Like some say; "The Lord works in mysterious ways?, no?

baptism is a spell as is christening which of course seals the third eye complex

other, meanwhile practise human sacrifice by cutting and slicing and whipping and generally abuses God's immaculate conception any way they can yes?

I agree.

The Apostles - and other disciples in the "upper room" - didn't receive the Holy Spirit until Pentecost - 50 days after Jesus' resurrection.

As far as I'm concerned - the Father can give the Holy Spirit WHENEVER He feels that it's correct to do so.

The Father's Will.

Who are we to claim to know which way the wind blows.....


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Starting about 13:00 he talks about water baptism at Pentecost 33CE.

If you don't think it's significant, or maybe don't think what he says is true necessarily, there's still a lot more that could be said, I think, to show
that water baptism was part of joining Christ's "body", or
his "congregation".

"This stirring account describes a milestone in true worship—the founding of the nation of spiritual Israel, the anointed Christian congregation. (Gal. 6:16) But there is more. When Peter addressed the crowd that day, he used the first of three “keys of the kingdom,” each of which would open up special privileges to a different group of people. (Matt. 16:18, 19) This first key made it possible for Dzywws and Dzywwish proselytes to accept the good news and to be anointed with God’s holy spirit.* They would thus become part of spiritual Israel, and as such, they would have the hope of ruling as kings and priests in the Messianic Kingdom. (Rev. 5:9, 10)
In time, that privilege would be extended to Samaritans and then to Gentiles. "

Those first Samaritans baptised after Pentecost by Phillip the Evangelizer didn't receive holy spirit until the laying on of hands by Peter, so that was the second of 3 “keys of the kingdom,”[?]

And "3rd Key" when first Gentile baptised, here :
Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking about these matters, the holy spirit came upon all those hearing the word.
45 And the circumcisedd believers who had come with Peter were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also on people of the nations.
46 For they heard them speaking in foreign languages and magnifying God.

Then Peter responded: 47 “Can anyone deny water to prevent these from being baptized who have received the holy spirit just as we have?” 48 With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

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We're to be baptized "IN the name of" Jesus Christ (by His authority) "INTO the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" -- check the Greek of the Majority Text

It doesn't count until you get the Holy Spirit baptism.

Our "work" is PROOF of our belief -- see Hebrews

Heb_10:38  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Heb_11:4  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Heb_11:5  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Heb_11:7  By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Heb_11:8  By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Heb_11:9  By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

Heb_11:17  By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Heb_11:20  By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

Heb_11:21  By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

Heb_11:22  By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

Heb_11:23  By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

Heb_11:24  By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

Heb_11:27  By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

Heb_11:29  By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

Heb_11:30  By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

Heb_11:31  By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

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"Majority Text" can be wrong.

Case in point?

1 John 5:7

And that can happen at any time after a person has repented and believed.

There's no record of the Apostles being baptized in water.
The Father SENT the Holy Spirit to baptize them at Pentecost.

In Acts 2 we see 3000 souls baptized and saved.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The passage says nothing about water - nor "hands" - nor them actually receiving the Holy Spirit.

And receiving the "Holly Spirit" is non verifiable. Every Christian claims to have/be led by it, yet there is more division among your ranks and has been that way since your JC died.

Baptism Into Christ Jesus, Into His Death. Jesus knew at the time of his baptism in the Jordan River that he was entering upon a sacrificial course. He knew that his ‘prepared body’ must be put to death, that he must die in innocence as a perfect human sacrifice with ransoming value for mankind. (Mt 20:28)
Jesus understood that he must be plunged into death but that he would be raised out of it on the third day. (Mt 16:21)
So he likened his experience to a baptism into death. (Lu 12:50)
He explained to his disciples that he was already undergoing this baptism during his ministry. (Mr 10:38, 39)
He was baptized fully into death when he was plunged into death by being impaled on the torture stake on Nisan 14, 33 C.E. His resurrection by his Father Jehovah God on the third day completed this baptism, which includes a raising up. Jesus’ baptism into death is clearly distinct and separate from his water baptism, for he had completely undergone water baptism at the beginning of his ministry, at which time his baptism into death only began.

The faithful apostles of Jesus Christ were baptized in water by John’s baptism. (Joh 1:35-37; 4:1)
But they had not yet been baptized with holy spirit when Jesus pointed out that they were also to be baptized in a symbolic baptism like his, a baptism into death. (Mr 10:39)
So baptism into his death is something apart from water baptism. Paul expressed himself in his letter to the Christian congregation at Rome, saying: “Do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?”—Ro 6:3.

It is Jehovah God who is responsible for the performing of such baptism into Christ Jesus as well as baptism into his death.
He anointed Jesus, making him the Christ or Anointed One. (Ac 10:38) Thus God baptized Jesus with the holy spirit in order that, through Jesus, his followers might thereafter be baptized with holy spirit. Therefore, those who become joint heirs with him, with heavenly hopes, have to be “baptized into Christ Jesus,” that is, into the Anointed Jesus who, at the time of his anointing, was also begotten to be a spiritual son of God. They thereby become united to him, their Head, and they become members of the congregation that is the body of Christ.—1Co 12:12, 13, 27; Col 1:18.

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It's about obedience to the commands of God.
Repent and be baptized (of water and spirit and fire)

Right just as the Teacher said;
“When the king came in to inspect the guests, he caught sight of a man not wearing a marriage garment. 12 So he said to him, ‘Fellow, how did you get in here without a marriage garment?’ He was speechless. 13 Then the king said to his servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and throw him into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’
14 “For there are many invited, but few chosen.” Mt11:22

So you are saying only one set of peoples have the Spirit. SO which denomination correct? Yours? Are they spread over many denominations? Do they all speak in proper accordance as one? If so, then why haven't they corrected those that are wrong?

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1Cor1:10
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So you quote Saul, whom never met Jesus, and more importantly disagreed with what your god stated. Even more important, he railed against G-d and his Torah. He called the law a curse, while G-d said it was perfect. So who should we listen to Saul or G-d?

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Ti3:16

Oh okay, so Saul said his writing is inspired even though it contradicts the Torah. Must be true!

Also of note, the only Scripture Saul was speaking of was the, what you call, OT. His letters and the gospels were considered scripture until the RCC said so.

Let me tell you about a baptism that is greater than phsycial water immersion... Spiritual Immersion:

Lot's of folks CLAIM to have the Holy Spirit.

Benny Hinn - Kenneth Copeland and others. Do they REALLY?

Many folks claim to have the Holy Spirit but more than likely don't.

Proof of this is simple.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who pray to "the trinity". It's not Biblical. Jesus said to pray to the Father.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus is Father God Himself. It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Father God is a "demiurge". It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus will return on a space ship. It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who speak in "tongues", but yet no one knows what they are saying, which Paul warned about.

See what I mean?

You run a corporation... thats not love, its Harlot held sadness. Your father is Satan the Devil and he controls and manipulates your Governing Body. Your Kingdom Halls are be sold off piecemeal right from underneath your quickbuild hands and your "Generation that shall not pass away" GB Prophecy has Passed away. Your desparate because you do not hold fast to Matthew 19:17 and you refuse to because your GB leads your sheeple into destruction but I guarentee there will come a day when you will remember these words...

Tell me about Jehovah's kingdom to come.

John the baptist only baptized people in preparation for the arrival of Jesus. So, when Jesus was baptized, the Holy Spirit descended down onto him and opened the way for the baptized to receive the Holy Spirit from then on.

There is no Jehovah... the letter J was invented 500 years ago according websters. Strongs says Hovah means mischief and ruin. You worship a Masonic false god. Your GB has stated that if they ever found the true name they would switch because they knew Jehovah was not His Name. Yet though they know the true name they niether have a love for it nor worship or declare it. Your GB has declared the name YaHuWaH from YHWH many times over the last century and it is the true name. You can only understand what the Kingdom is by softening your hardened prideful heart and accept The Name of the Father which is also the name He gave His son in John 17:11&12 "Your Name which You have given me." He said it twice. Once you know and accept The Name then you will accept His Commandments Ten Matt 19:!7 and IF you do this you will become His and He will reveal to the truth about who you are, what you are going to do and when you are going to do it. It will not be a prophecy for the world but it will be instructions by The Helper YaHuWaH Set-Apart Spirit who will instruct you about YaHuWaH's Kingdom To Come.

There are many things that are going to occur but if you stick to the GB doctrine you cannot open your eyes to the truth of it all. www.PraiseYaHuWaH.com is where you will start if you truley want to know more. Or is this bait like all other prideful Harlot held religious peoples?