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My Analysis is Complete: Beirut Explosion was approx 10 Kilotons

 
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My Analysis is Complete: Beirut Explosion was approx 10 Kilotons
Before I detail my conclusion, I will explain some facts regarding Ammonium Nitrate.

Ammonium nitrate(AN) does not burn on its own. Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (buring) of other materials. For combustion to occur, oxygen must be present. Ammonium nitrate prills (industrial term synonymous with pellets) provide a much more concentrated supply of oxygen than the air around us. This is why it is effective in mining explosives, where it's mixed with oil and other fuels.

Those bags of AN prills sitting in the Beirut warehouse could not have been mixed with any kind of fuel because the ratio required for an explosive is 94 parts AN and six parts fuel and it needs to be mixed quite thoroughly and homogeneously in order to maximize the explosion.

It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate explosion. The fire would need to be sustained and confined within the same area as the ammonium nitrate prills.

Also, the prills themselves are not fuel for the fire, so they would need to be contaminated with, or packaged in, some other combustible material.

What some shills have suggested here on GLP is that ammonium nitrate by ITSELF can chemically decompose, which releases the oxygen molecules bound up in the little pellets...this is true, and this release is very energetic...and, under the right circumstances, can be something like an "explosion"...in the same way you can use ordinary compressed air to "blow up" your bicycle tire if you insist on putting 100 psi into it.

But this is NOT an explosion...an explosion means that a fuel BURNS...there must be COMBUSTION. AN by itself cannot burn.

BUT if you take some AN and pack it into a SEALED container like a pipe, and then heat it up until the material starts decomposing, the release of the oxygen gas inside will cause a massive increase in pressure until the pipe bursts...just like the bicycle tire…

Obviously there was no huge pipe in that Beirut warehouse for the AN to be packed into and then heated with the world's biggest blowtorch until the thing exploded.

There was also no mixing of all those hundreds of tons of AN bags with any kind of fuel in order to create a HOMOGENOUS combustible mixture…

These are the basic PHYSICAL FACTS.

Satellite photos online show the devastation for several kilometers from the blast center.

Buildings have simply been flattened for literally many hundreds of meters in every direction...that requires a HUGE explosion...in fact even if that entire 3,000 tons of AN was professionally mixed with fuel to make a bomb, it would not be nearly powerful enough to cause the damage seen.

I will link to a blast calculator on the UN website where anyone can enter one million or two million or whatever amount of TNT and see immediately how far that kind of blast will cause a destructive OVERPRESSURE:

[link to www.un.org (secure)]

Also, I will link to a FEMA publication that on page 4-19 has an important Explosive Blast Damage Approximation Chart, which gives estimates of damage relative to destructive overpressure calculated from the UN Blast Calculator: [link to www.fema.gov (secure)]

From the photos of the devastation, combined with the blast calculator info, it is clear that the explosion was absolutely huge. By increasing the amount of high explosives in that blast calculator we can see how far such a massive bomb would wreak building damage

When I enter 10 million kg of TNT into the Blast Calculator, we see that at a distance [range] of 1000 meters [1 km, about two thirds of a mile] we have about 50 kilopascals of incident pressure, which is about 7 psi...just enough to knock down buildings (according to the FEMA Chart I linked to above.

It's pretty obvious from the pictures that the explosion was even bigger than that...the sat photo shows buildings RAZED to the ground for many hundreds of meters.

How big was the bomb then?

The ten million kg of TNT we entered above is 10 kilotons. Hiroshima was 12 to 15 kilotons.
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thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives
and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in
such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic
distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have
been a set of smaller explosions, one after another.

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thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives
and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in
such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic
distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have
been a set of smaller explosions, one after another.

.
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One red flag in the official story is the alleged instant detonation of 2,700 tons simultaneously, not over a few minutes even. Zero delay. Even weapons + AN would go off over a few minutes.
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thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives
and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in
such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic
distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have
been a set of smaller explosions, one after another.

.
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One red flag in the official story is the alleged instant detonation of 2,700 tons simultaneously, not over a few minutes even. Zero delay. Even weapons + AN would go off over a few minutes.
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Except that it has happened this way before, several times, with exactly the same results.
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Re: My Analysis is Complete: Beirut Explosion was approx 10 Kilotons
thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives
and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in
such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic
distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have
been a set of smaller explosions, one after another.

.
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The Beirut blast flipped cars, blew out doors, broke windows and caused walls to collapse within five kilometres of the blast and reportedly broke windows as far away as nine or 10 kilometres from the Beirut port.

How much explosive power does it take to break windows 10 kilometers away?

We see from the FEMA chart for overpressure that it takes about 0.2 psi to break windows...that's about 1.5 kilopascals.

When I eneter blast parameters at 10 km for a 20 kiloton TNT explosion, we see incident overpressure just a little above that required to break windows at 10 km distance.

We we enter blast parameters for 2,750 tons of TNT into the blast calculator - and assuming here that it was professionally mixed with fuel in order to make a bomb similar to TNT [which of course wasn't the case, but let's pretend it was] - we see that the calculator only goes as far as 5,604 meters in this case...farther than that and the shockwave peters out and there will be no building damage or broken windows.

At 5,000m, which is five kilometers we get just barely enough overpressure to break windows [2.76 kPa, 0.4 psi]...that's only HALF the distance of the recorded broken windows 10 km away.

What we see here is absolute PROOF that even if we are to believe that the entire 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate was mixed precisely with fuel to make an explosive equivalent to TNT...it would NOT be powerful enough to do the damage seen.

We see also that this is nowhere near powerful enough to cause walls to collapse at 5km distance...that would take at least 5 psi even for wood framed buildings, as per the FEMA overpressure Chart...that is more than TEN TIMES higher than the 0.4 psi we have at 5km. There can be no arguing with this hard science: the bomb in Beirut was a LOT bigger than 2,750 tons of even TNT.
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thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives
and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in
such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic
distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have
been a set of smaller explosions, one after another.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77878787


One red flag in the official story is the alleged instant detonation of 2,700 tons simultaneously, not over a few minutes even. Zero delay. Even weapons + AN would go off over a few minutes.
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right.

the sheer size of the nitrate imposes a certain latency
in the explosion. you can reduce that latency with
proper design but these are supposed a bunch of bags
placed haphazardly in a warehouse.
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Re: My Analysis is Complete: Beirut Explosion was approx 10 Kilotons
thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives
and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in
such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic
distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have
been a set of smaller explosions, one after another.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77878787


One red flag in the official story is the alleged instant detonation of 2,700 tons simultaneously, not over a few minutes even. Zero delay. Even weapons + AN would go off over a few minutes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79259371


right.

the sheer size of the nitrate imposes a certain latency
in the explosion. you can reduce that latency with
proper design but these are supposed a bunch of bags
placed haphazardly in a warehouse.
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Alleged pic of the AN in Beirut: [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
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Wikipedia and other media have settled on a figure of about 1,200 tons of TNT as the "equivalent" of that amount of ammonium nitrate present in the Beirut warehouse. When we enter that amount into the UN explosives calculator I linked to above, we see that at a distance of four kilometers [4,000 meters] we get an incident overpressure of just 2.57 kPa...which is about 0.4 psi...that is not enough to do any real damage to buildings, it can only break windows. At 10 km away, there would be no overpressure at all, and the UN calculator only goes up to 4,250 meters for this amount of TNT...so how did the airport 10 km away have such damage as seen in public source photos?

Also, according to official sources, the St. George Hospital, one of the city's biggest medical facilities and 1 km away from the explosion was so badly damaged that staff were forced to treat patients in the street. How could this possibly happen from a blast equivalent to 1.2 kilotons of TNT as we are told by the Media and Wikipedia?

The blast calculator tells us that, at 1,000 meters it would produce only 16 kPa of overpressure, which is 2 psi.

But the Department of Defense has conducted studies analyzing this kind of data for many decades...and it takes a lot more overpressure than 2 psi to cause fatalities and severe building damage: [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)]

Based on all the extant information about blast pressure and how much pressure is required to do what damage at what distance, there can be little doubt that even if we believe that this ammonium nitrate bomb exploded as the official story goes, it would NOT have been able to cause this kind of damage recorded in the public record at various distances from the epicenter.
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Has anyone on the ground gotten in there with a rad meter? Preferably one that can detect Beta and Alpha radiation?

Hint: You don't need a transuranic for a nuke blast! This is 2020 and a small nation has advanced devices.
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Trump was ridiculed for stating that this was a bomb blast, but that conclusion correlates with my analysis.
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Trump was ridiculed for stating that this was a bomb blast, but that conclusion correlates with my analysis.
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No argument. I doubt it was a fission blast though. Think classified and pure fusion unless there's a strong radiation signature.
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Cue the SWAMP GAS and JET FUEL excuses from the members here
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5 starts.

Epic work.

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Trump was ridiculed for stating that this was a bomb blast, but that conclusion correlates with my analysis.
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How about a missile?

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that obviously fake videos were quick.y release, where you could see an obviously fake missile. It was done to discredit the videos showing the real missile.
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Well done! You are wrong on so many levels, but that's what we come to GLP for.
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It was on the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing as well.

Coincidence? I think not.
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Trump was ridiculed for stating that this was a bomb blast, but that conclusion correlates with my analysis.
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How about a missile?

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that obviously fake videos were quick.y release, where you could see an obviously fake missile. It was done to discredit the videos showing the real missile.
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there's no *known* conventional explosive
which could fit on a missile
and create that much damage.
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Yep they got hit with a mini nuke. Thank you MOSSAD.
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Have you ever actually seen photos of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki devastation, and if so, you’re telling me this incident was within that range, sans a few kilotons? Please. I think your calculator is broken.
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Trump was ridiculed for stating that this was a bomb blast, but that conclusion correlates with my analysis.
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How about a missile?

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that obviously fake videos were quick.y release, where you could see an obviously fake missile. It was done to discredit the videos showing the real missile.
 Quoting: vAv



there's no *known* conventional explosive
which could fit on a missile
and create that much damage.
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Yes, but what if that would have only been the catalyzer?
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Thanks OP, very good analysis and I bookmarked your thread. What chance do you think there is the bomb was a thermobaric bomb?

A nuke would have left a radiation signature picked up by satellite. Seems to me the explosion and damage could have been done by a thermobaric bomb.

The next question is why?
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Hydrogen. No one is looking at Hydrogen. Sure a sm hydrogen bomb would need to be smuggled in, for example a converted fuel tanker, but a fuel tanker rigged w hydrogen is about right for that size blast. Especially combined with other onsite explosives. I would expect "construction" underway when that happened. Any witnesses are dead from the blast, or suicided.
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Before I detail my conclusion, I will explain some facts regarding Ammonium Nitrate.

Ammonium nitrate(AN) does not burn on its own. Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (buring) of other materials. For combustion to occur, oxygen must be present. Ammonium nitrate prills (industrial term synonymous with pellets) provide a much more concentrated supply of oxygen than the air around us. This is why it is effective in mining explosives, where it's mixed with oil and other fuels.

Those bags of AN prills sitting in the Beirut warehouse could not have been mixed with any kind of fuel because the ratio required for an explosive is 94 parts AN and six parts fuel and it needs to be mixed quite thoroughly and homogeneously in order to maximize the explosion.

It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate explosion. The fire would need to be sustained and confined within the same area as the ammonium nitrate prills.

Also, the prills themselves are not fuel for the fire, so they would need to be contaminated with, or packaged in, some other combustible material.

What some shills have suggested here on GLP is that ammonium nitrate by ITSELF can chemically decompose, which releases the oxygen molecules bound up in the little pellets...this is true, and this release is very energetic...and, under the right circumstances, can be something like an "explosion"...in the same way you can use ordinary compressed air to "blow up" your bicycle tire if you insist on putting 100 psi into it.

But this is NOT an explosion...an explosion means that a fuel BURNS...there must be COMBUSTION. AN by itself cannot burn.

BUT if you take some AN and pack it into a SEALED container like a pipe, and then heat it up until the material starts decomposing, the release of the oxygen gas inside will cause a massive increase in pressure until the pipe bursts...just like the bicycle tire…

Obviously there was no huge pipe in that Beirut warehouse for the AN to be packed into and then heated with the world's biggest blowtorch until the thing exploded.

There was also no mixing of all those hundreds of tons of AN bags with any kind of fuel in order to create a HOMOGENOUS combustible mixture…

These are the basic PHYSICAL FACTS.

Satellite photos online show the devastation for several kilometers from the blast center.

Buildings have simply been flattened for literally many hundreds of meters in every direction...that requires a HUGE explosion...in fact even if that entire 3,000 tons of AN was professionally mixed with fuel to make a bomb, it would not be nearly powerful enough to cause the damage seen.

I will link to a blast calculator on the UN website where anyone can enter one million or two million or whatever amount of TNT and see immediately how far that kind of blast will cause a destructive OVERPRESSURE:

[link to www.un.org (secure)]

Also, I will link to a FEMA publication that on page 4-19 has an important Explosive Blast Damage Approximation Chart, which gives estimates of damage relative to destructive overpressure calculated from the UN Blast Calculator: [link to www.fema.gov (secure)]

From the photos of the devastation, combined with the blast calculator info, it is clear that the explosion was absolutely huge. By increasing the amount of high explosives in that blast calculator we can see how far such a massive bomb would wreak building damage

When I enter 10 million kg of TNT into the Blast Calculator, we see that at a distance [range] of 1000 meters [1 km, about two thirds of a mile] we have about 50 kilopascals of incident pressure, which is about 7 psi...just enough to knock down buildings (according to the FEMA Chart I linked to above.

It's pretty obvious from the pictures that the explosion was even bigger than that...the sat photo shows buildings RAZED to the ground for many hundreds of meters.

How big was the bomb then?

The ten million kg of TNT we entered above is 10 kilotons. Hiroshima was 12 to 15 kilotons.
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VT with Gordon Duff has it analyzed already. Also many experts approved the analysis, except media whores who's opinion is not important anyway.

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Trump was ridiculed for stating that this was a bomb blast, but that conclusion correlates with my analysis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79262472


How about a missile?

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that obviously fake videos were quick.y release, where you could see an obviously fake missile. It was done to discredit the videos showing the real missile.
 Quoting: vAv



there's no *known* conventional explosive
which could fit on a missile
and create that much damage.
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Yes, but what if that would have only been the catalyzer?
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okay, yeah, my first thought was no.

but on 2nd thought, a missile could have sent some
sort of shock wave which could have ignited the nitrate
in a much more uniform fashion.

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maybe they tried to extinguish it with sea water? that may also have a chemical effect
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Hydrogen. No one is looking at Hydrogen. Sure a sm hydrogen bomb would need to be smuggled in, for example a converted fuel tanker, but a fuel tanker rigged w hydrogen is about right for that size blast. Especially combined with other onsite explosives. I would expect "construction" underway when that happened. Any witnesses are dead from the blast, or suicided.
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Ever heard of small tactical nuke?
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thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives
and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in
such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic
distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have
been a set of smaller explosions, one after another.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77878787


One red flag in the official story is the alleged instant detonation of 2,700 tons simultaneously, not over a few minutes even. Zero delay. Even weapons + AN would go off over a few minutes.
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Except that it has happened this way before, several times, with exactly the same results.
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10 Kiloton blast
National Security Staff, Interagency Policy Coordination Subcommittee for Preparedness & Response to Radiological and Nuclear

Severe Damage (SD) Zone (.5 miles)
* Few, if any, buildings are expected to be structurally sound or even standing in the SD zone, and very few people would survive; however, some people protected within stable structures (e.g., subterranean parking garages or subway tunnels) at the time of the explosion may survive the initial blast.
* Very high radiation levels from prompt and residual origin and other hazards are expected in the SD zone, significantly increasing risks to survivors and responders. Responders should enter this zone with great caution, only to rescue known survivors.
* Rubble in streets is estimated to be impassable in the SD zone making timely response impracticable. Approaching ground zero, all buildings will be rubble and rubble may be 30 feet deep or more.
* The SD zone may have a radius on the order of a 0.5 mile (0.8 km) for a 10 KT detonation. Blast overpressure that characterizes the SD zone is 5-8 psi and greater.





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