My Analysis is Complete: Beirut Explosion was approx 10 Kilotons | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40072667 United States 08/13/2020 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before I detail my conclusion, I will explain some facts regarding Ammonium Nitrate. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79262472 Ammonium nitrate(AN) does not burn on its own. Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (buring) of other materials. For combustion to occur, oxygen must be present. Ammonium nitrate prills (industrial term synonymous with pellets) provide a much more concentrated supply of oxygen than the air around us. This is why it is effective in mining explosives, where it's mixed with oil and other fuels. Those bags of AN prills sitting in the Beirut warehouse could not have been mixed with any kind of fuel because the ratio required for an explosive is 94 parts AN and six parts fuel and it needs to be mixed quite thoroughly and homogeneously in order to maximize the explosion. It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate explosion. The fire would need to be sustained and confined within the same area as the ammonium nitrate prills. Also, the prills themselves are not fuel for the fire, so they would need to be contaminated with, or packaged in, some other combustible material. What some shills have suggested here on GLP is that ammonium nitrate by ITSELF can chemically decompose, which releases the oxygen molecules bound up in the little pellets...this is true, and this release is very energetic...and, under the right circumstances, can be something like an "explosion"...in the same way you can use ordinary compressed air to "blow up" your bicycle tire if you insist on putting 100 psi into it. But this is NOT an explosion...an explosion means that a fuel BURNS...there must be COMBUSTION. AN by itself cannot burn. BUT if you take some AN and pack it into a SEALED container like a pipe, and then heat it up until the material starts decomposing, the release of the oxygen gas inside will cause a massive increase in pressure until the pipe bursts...just like the bicycle tire… Obviously there was no huge pipe in that Beirut warehouse for the AN to be packed into and then heated with the world's biggest blowtorch until the thing exploded. There was also no mixing of all those hundreds of tons of AN bags with any kind of fuel in order to create a HOMOGENOUS combustible mixture… These are the basic PHYSICAL FACTS. Satellite photos online show the devastation for several kilometers from the blast center. Buildings have simply been flattened for literally many hundreds of meters in every direction...that requires a HUGE explosion...in fact even if that entire 3,000 tons of AN was professionally mixed with fuel to make a bomb, it would not be nearly powerful enough to cause the damage seen. I will link to a blast calculator on the UN website where anyone can enter one million or two million or whatever amount of TNT and see immediately how far that kind of blast will cause a destructive OVERPRESSURE: [link to www.un.org (secure)] Also, I will link to a FEMA publication that on page 4-19 has an important Explosive Blast Damage Approximation Chart, which gives estimates of damage relative to destructive overpressure calculated from the UN Blast Calculator: [link to www.fema.gov (secure)] From the photos of the devastation, combined with the blast calculator info, it is clear that the explosion was absolutely huge. By increasing the amount of high explosives in that blast calculator we can see how far such a massive bomb would wreak building damage When I enter 10 million kg of TNT into the Blast Calculator, we see that at a distance [range] of 1000 meters [1 km, about two thirds of a mile] we have about 50 kilopascals of incident pressure, which is about 7 psi...just enough to knock down buildings (according to the FEMA Chart I linked to above. It's pretty obvious from the pictures that the explosion was even bigger than that...the sat photo shows buildings RAZED to the ground for many hundreds of meters. How big was the bomb then? The ten million kg of TNT we entered above is 10 kilotons. Hiroshima was 12 to 15 kilotons. You cannot do that unless you consider the Nitrate was hiding a huge weapons Dump that fuel for missiles . the RED was from LITHIUM. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 08/13/2020 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not privy to any classified info, but it's pretty obvious that the nuclear powers have been working on trying to create pure fusion or near pure fusion devices for the last 70 years. If they did perfect such a thing, they'd never tell if they could help it. There is no hard lower limit on size for a fusion device like there is for fission devices, so small tactical units are a possibility. The radiation signatures would be minimal and mostly prompt radiation without residual. No lingering crap as fallout. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79259631 It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure this out. I'm not convinced that the blast was nuclear, but I do think it's a likely possibility. Those that wanted Lebanon out of the game are most likely to have the means. all of the Fusion Research is to try to harness the Fusion Reaction in a a Reactor so they can use it to boil water and make electricity. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79262472 United States 08/13/2020 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can see the flash from most of the video angles. Use a high quality source and scrub video just before the explosion. Very bright light source, extremely bright in fact. Quoting: N3m3s1s [link to wordpress.mrreid.org] “ The variation in the brightness of the light emitted by a nuclear explosion follows a distinct pattern. It is possible to build light sources that are as powerful as nuclear explosions, or to produce light sources that have the same double flash characteristics, but not to produce a source with both characteristics. Thus the nuclear double flash is taken as irrefutable evidence that a nuclear explosion has taken place.” Cleanest footage I have seen so far: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79259631 United States 08/13/2020 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted video of van in car park there - what exploded was in a van Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78080163 No radiation apparently means no old nuke Either new nuke Or someone posted yesterday about transporting antimatter in vehicles Or we're left with scalar weapons And where did red color come from Anti-matter is too expensive and takes too much power and too long to make to be viable here. CERN makes anti-matter and certainly could be a factory for it if that was it's only purpose. A fusion device makes more sense, if one is available. |
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User ID: 75756457 Canada 08/13/2020 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | None of that was mixed with fuel oil. "On September 21, 2001, an explosion occurred at the AZF (French initialism for AZote Fertilisant, i.e. nitrogen fertiliser) fertiliser factory in Toulouse, France, belonging to the Grande Paroisse branch of the Total group." "Three hundred tonnes of ammonium nitrate was stored (the maximum capacity was 2,000 tonnes) in hangar #221. The entire factory was destroyed, making a crater with a depth of about 7 metres (23 ft) and a diameter of 40 metres (130 ft). Steel girders were found 3 kilometres (1.9 mi) away from the explosion. The blast measured 3.4 on the Richter scale, with an estimated power equivalent to 20-40 tons of TNT" No fuel oil mixed either. MlCHAEL |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75327296 United States 08/13/2020 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] 3rd and 4th images are 1 frame apart, notice how the flash lights up everything around and it is much brighter than the sunlight. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78109443 United States 08/13/2020 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My analysis from a thread I made when I went down this rabbit hole last week: Quoting: BFD This military manual says that a surface explosion of 1 kiloton of TNT in wet sand (softest scenario) should be about 450 ft in diameter. The Beirut crater is about 420 ft in diameter. Considering the 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate and the ratio of something like .4 to 1 for an vs. tnt... this sounds about right. Thread: Crater dimensions for 1-kt TNT or nuclear In wet sand soil type [link to ibb.co (secure)] [link to apps.dtic.mil (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78109443 United States 08/13/2020 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before I detail my conclusion, I will explain some facts regarding Ammonium Nitrate. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79262472 Ammonium nitrate(AN) does not burn on its own. Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (buring) of other materials. For combustion to occur, oxygen must be present. Ammonium nitrate prills (industrial term synonymous with pellets) provide a much more concentrated supply of oxygen than the air around us. This is why it is effective in mining explosives, where it's mixed with oil and other fuels. Those bags of AN prills sitting in the Beirut warehouse could not have been mixed with any kind of fuel because the ratio required for an explosive is 94 parts AN and six parts fuel and it needs to be mixed quite thoroughly and homogeneously in order to maximize the explosion. It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate explosion. The fire would need to be sustained and confined within the same area as the ammonium nitrate prills. Also, the prills themselves are not fuel for the fire, so they would need to be contaminated with, or packaged in, some other combustible material. What some shills have suggested here on GLP is that ammonium nitrate by ITSELF can chemically decompose, which releases the oxygen molecules bound up in the little pellets...this is true, and this release is very energetic...and, under the right circumstances, can be something like an "explosion"...in the same way you can use ordinary compressed air to "blow up" your bicycle tire if you insist on putting 100 psi into it. But this is NOT an explosion...an explosion means that a fuel BURNS...there must be COMBUSTION. AN by itself cannot burn. BUT if you take some AN and pack it into a SEALED container like a pipe, and then heat it up until the material starts decomposing, the release of the oxygen gas inside will cause a massive increase in pressure until the pipe bursts...just like the bicycle tire… Obviously there was no huge pipe in that Beirut warehouse for the AN to be packed into and then heated with the world's biggest blowtorch until the thing exploded. There was also no mixing of all those hundreds of tons of AN bags with any kind of fuel in order to create a HOMOGENOUS combustible mixture… These are the basic PHYSICAL FACTS. Satellite photos online show the devastation for several kilometers from the blast center. Buildings have simply been flattened for literally many hundreds of meters in every direction...that requires a HUGE explosion...in fact even if that entire 3,000 tons of AN was professionally mixed with fuel to make a bomb, it would not be nearly powerful enough to cause the damage seen. I will link to a blast calculator on the UN website where anyone can enter one million or two million or whatever amount of TNT and see immediately how far that kind of blast will cause a destructive OVERPRESSURE: [link to www.un.org (secure)] Also, I will link to a FEMA publication that on page 4-19 has an important Explosive Blast Damage Approximation Chart, which gives estimates of damage relative to destructive overpressure calculated from the UN Blast Calculator: [link to www.fema.gov (secure)] From the photos of the devastation, combined with the blast calculator info, it is clear that the explosion was absolutely huge. By increasing the amount of high explosives in that blast calculator we can see how far such a massive bomb would wreak building damage When I enter 10 million kg of TNT into the Blast Calculator, we see that at a distance [range] of 1000 meters [1 km, about two thirds of a mile] we have about 50 kilopascals of incident pressure, which is about 7 psi...just enough to knock down buildings (according to the FEMA Chart I linked to above. It's pretty obvious from the pictures that the explosion was even bigger than that...the sat photo shows buildings RAZED to the ground for many hundreds of meters. How big was the bomb then? The ten million kg of TNT we entered above is 10 kilotons. Hiroshima was 12 to 15 kilotons. You cannot do that unless you consider the Nitrate was hiding a huge weapons Dump that fuel for missiles . the RED was from LITHIUM. Ammonium nitrate burns red/brown when stored in damp conditions. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75327296 United States 08/13/2020 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can see the flash from most of the video angles. Use a high quality source and scrub video just before the explosion. Very bright light source, extremely bright in fact. Quoting: N3m3s1s [link to wordpress.mrreid.org] “ The variation in the brightness of the light emitted by a nuclear explosion follows a distinct pattern. It is possible to build light sources that are as powerful as nuclear explosions, or to produce light sources that have the same double flash characteristics, but not to produce a source with both characteristics. Thus the nuclear double flash is taken as irrefutable evidence that a nuclear explosion has taken place.” Cleanest footage I have seen so far: This is the frame you are looking for from that footage. [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79262472 United States 08/13/2020 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] Quoting: N3m3s1s [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] [link to i.postimg.cc (secure)] 3rd and 4th images are 1 frame apart, notice how the flash lights up everything around and it is much brighter than the sunlight. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77011626 08/13/2020 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77878787 and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have been a set of smaller explosions, one after another. When the President implied the blast was of a bomb-type/military variety, and then supposed experts in Lebanon claimed it was actually stored Ammonium Nitrate going off on its own, I thought Trump had jumped the gun. But as with his statements earlier on about hydroxychloroquine and SARS-CoV-2, President Trump again seems to be one step ahead of the game. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79262472 United States 08/13/2020 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77878787 and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have been a set of smaller explosions, one after another. When the President implied the blast was of a bomb-type/military variety, and then supposed experts in Lebanon claimed it was actually stored Ammonium Nitrate going off on its own, I thought Trump had jumped the gun. But as with his statements earlier on about hydroxychloroquine and SARS-CoV-2, President Trump again seems to be one step ahead of the game. What worries me is that there appears to be a breach in the chain of command and loyalty to the Commander-in-Chief. You will recall that when Trump said (based on the information he received from certain unnamed generals) that the explosion in Beirut was a bomb, that the weasel Esper immediately leaked to the Media that it wasn't a bomb and was just an ordinary accident. This level of division within Brass is extremely worrisome. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75861545 United States 08/13/2020 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before I detail my conclusion, I will explain some facts regarding Ammonium Nitrate. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79262472 Ammonium nitrate(AN) does not burn on its own. Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (buring) of other materials. For combustion to occur, oxygen must be present. Ammonium nitrate prills (industrial term synonymous with pellets) provide a much more concentrated supply of oxygen than the air around us. This is why it is effective in mining explosives, where it's mixed with oil and other fuels. Those bags of AN prills sitting in the Beirut warehouse could not have been mixed with any kind of fuel because the ratio required for an explosive is 94 parts AN and six parts fuel and it needs to be mixed quite thoroughly and homogeneously in order to maximize the explosion. It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate explosion. The fire would need to be sustained and confined within the same area as the ammonium nitrate prills. Also, the prills themselves are not fuel for the fire, so they would need to be contaminated with, or packaged in, some other combustible material. What some shills have suggested here on GLP is that ammonium nitrate by ITSELF can chemically decompose, which releases the oxygen molecules bound up in the little pellets...this is true, and this release is very energetic...and, under the right circumstances, can be something like an "explosion"...in the same way you can use ordinary compressed air to "blow up" your bicycle tire if you insist on putting 100 psi into it. But this is NOT an explosion...an explosion means that a fuel BURNS...there must be COMBUSTION. AN by itself cannot burn. BUT if you take some AN and pack it into a SEALED container like a pipe, and then heat it up until the material starts decomposing, the release of the oxygen gas inside will cause a massive increase in pressure until the pipe bursts...just like the bicycle tire… Obviously there was no huge pipe in that Beirut warehouse for the AN to be packed into and then heated with the world's biggest blowtorch until the thing exploded. There was also no mixing of all those hundreds of tons of AN bags with any kind of fuel in order to create a HOMOGENOUS combustible mixture… These are the basic PHYSICAL FACTS. Satellite photos online show the devastation for several kilometers from the blast center. Buildings have simply been flattened for literally many hundreds of meters in every direction...that requires a HUGE explosion...in fact even if that entire 3,000 tons of AN was professionally mixed with fuel to make a bomb, it would not be nearly powerful enough to cause the damage seen. I will link to a blast calculator on the UN website where anyone can enter one million or two million or whatever amount of TNT and see immediately how far that kind of blast will cause a destructive OVERPRESSURE: [link to www.un.org (secure)] Also, I will link to a FEMA publication that on page 4-19 has an important Explosive Blast Damage Approximation Chart, which gives estimates of damage relative to destructive overpressure calculated from the UN Blast Calculator: [link to www.fema.gov (secure)] From the photos of the devastation, combined with the blast calculator info, it is clear that the explosion was absolutely huge. By increasing the amount of high explosives in that blast calculator we can see how far such a massive bomb would wreak building damage When I enter 10 million kg of TNT into the Blast Calculator, we see that at a distance [range] of 1000 meters [1 km, about two thirds of a mile] we have about 50 kilopascals of incident pressure, which is about 7 psi...just enough to knock down buildings (according to the FEMA Chart I linked to above. It's pretty obvious from the pictures that the explosion was even bigger than that...the sat photo shows buildings RAZED to the ground for many hundreds of meters. How big was the bomb then? The ten million kg of TNT we entered above is 10 kilotons. Hiroshima was 12 to 15 kilotons. IMO this was a conventional detonation. If it was nuclear, the video camera would have been electronically disabled by the EMP. That said what I found strange, there were two pressure waves you can only see in slow motion. There was the first wave that shook the camera then another wave that blew away the building. So it makes me think there was an unknown detonation that caused the second. There are different pressure wave velocities based upon the type of explosive. High explosive pressure waves travel around 25,000 feet per second. Ammonium nitrate travels around 18,000 feet per second. I suggest there is a possibility the first detonation was from an outside source that initiated the ammonium nitrate explosion because the first blast wave was not very powerful and it arrived before the second blast wave. The first detonation pressure wave was from a very high explosive variety perhaps HMX/TNT type warhead IMO. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77011626 08/13/2020 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | weasel Esper immediately leaked to the Media that it wasn't a bomb and was just an ordinary accident. This level of division within Brass is extremely worrisome. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79262472 Yep, it could be a sign of ideological tug of wars - between left and right - taking place behind the scenes. That definitely has been occurring since November 2016. However, in this instance, a lack of clarity about what exactly happened may have caused even staunch pro-Trump conservatives to pull back from assuming the blast was somehow due to weaponry. It obviously couldn't have been atomic since the tell-tell signs of radiation would have been detectable across the globe. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74835846 United States 08/13/2020 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought it sounded like something hit the earth, like a rod of god type orbital weapon, and rung it like a bell. You wouldn't be able to see such a projectile without high speed cameras. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74835846 United States 08/13/2020 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As someone who has been watching combat videos since ogrish was founded, I still never heard that metallic WAAAAHHH sound that comes with the shockwave till someone the other day posted a video claiming that the explosion in the video was done/ignited by a DEW. This video also had an unusual flare of light, the same that you see in the beruit videos. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74835846 I thought it sounded like something hit the earth, like a rod of god type orbital weapon, and rung it like a bell. You wouldn't be able to see such a projectile without high speed cameras. Countries could be live testing their fancy new classified weapon systems if war was on the horizon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 08/13/2020 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I might as well let you in on the latest. I'm pretty sure we have figured out a way to get the explosive power without the fallout/flash etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78932792 Clean nukes. Technology advances. You really think we are stuck in the 40's? 80 year old tech? tactical nukes are doable in Battle, they're very clean, and very devastating. the biggest bomb any of our Transport Aircraft could carry is 85 Tons of bomb weight. can you imagine the explosion of just one 1kt nuke, the size of a shoe-box, can make: that's 1000 Tons of TNT exploding instantaneously. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5957191 United Kingdom 08/13/2020 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thanks. I'm not an expert but know a little about explosives Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77878787 and was quite skeptical that 2700 tons could detonate in such a homogeneous fashion. There's air gaps and erratic distances between bags, etc. It would most likely have been a set of smaller explosions, one after another. . it was stored in such a way for 6 years that there was a huge amount of gaseous nitrate in the air - what was going to happen? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75327296 United States 08/13/2020 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | /2020/08/08/vt-proving-again-that-nuclear-weapons-are-your-friend-banned-by-national-security-letter-ignored-again/ Any blast crater that is larger than 6 feet wide requires more than 4,000 lbs of TNT to make it. 16,000 lbs of TNT will only make a 10 foot wide crater. So when you see a 60 or a 100 foot wide crater that’s too big to be caused by conventional explosives and when you see a flash that is brighter than the sun followed by a ever expanding and rising fireball. Thats a nuke. Everything else is just a secondary explosion going off . I cannot post the site this came from for some reason. Didn’t know it was banned here but there’s a very scientific analysis of small and micro nukes at the link. If you copy and paste the piece I left into your search bar, you’ll find the article. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79262472 United States 08/13/2020 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before I detail my conclusion, I will explain some facts regarding Ammonium Nitrate. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79262472 Ammonium nitrate(AN) does not burn on its own. Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (buring) of other materials. For combustion to occur, oxygen must be present. Ammonium nitrate prills (industrial term synonymous with pellets) provide a much more concentrated supply of oxygen than the air around us. This is why it is effective in mining explosives, where it's mixed with oil and other fuels. Those bags of AN prills sitting in the Beirut warehouse could not have been mixed with any kind of fuel because the ratio required for an explosive is 94 parts AN and six parts fuel and it needs to be mixed quite thoroughly and homogeneously in order to maximize the explosion. It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate explosion. The fire would need to be sustained and confined within the same area as the ammonium nitrate prills. Also, the prills themselves are not fuel for the fire, so they would need to be contaminated with, or packaged in, some other combustible material. What some shills have suggested here on GLP is that ammonium nitrate by ITSELF can chemically decompose, which releases the oxygen molecules bound up in the little pellets...this is true, and this release is very energetic...and, under the right circumstances, can be something like an "explosion"...in the same way you can use ordinary compressed air to "blow up" your bicycle tire if you insist on putting 100 psi into it. But this is NOT an explosion...an explosion means that a fuel BURNS...there must be COMBUSTION. AN by itself cannot burn. BUT if you take some AN and pack it into a SEALED container like a pipe, and then heat it up until the material starts decomposing, the release of the oxygen gas inside will cause a massive increase in pressure until the pipe bursts...just like the bicycle tire… Obviously there was no huge pipe in that Beirut warehouse for the AN to be packed into and then heated with the world's biggest blowtorch until the thing exploded. There was also no mixing of all those hundreds of tons of AN bags with any kind of fuel in order to create a HOMOGENOUS combustible mixture… These are the basic PHYSICAL FACTS. Satellite photos online show the devastation for several kilometers from the blast center. Buildings have simply been flattened for literally many hundreds of meters in every direction...that requires a HUGE explosion...in fact even if that entire 3,000 tons of AN was professionally mixed with fuel to make a bomb, it would not be nearly powerful enough to cause the damage seen. I will link to a blast calculator on the UN website where anyone can enter one million or two million or whatever amount of TNT and see immediately how far that kind of blast will cause a destructive OVERPRESSURE: [link to www.un.org (secure)] Also, I will link to a FEMA publication that on page 4-19 has an important Explosive Blast Damage Approximation Chart, which gives estimates of damage relative to destructive overpressure calculated from the UN Blast Calculator: [link to www.fema.gov (secure)] From the photos of the devastation, combined with the blast calculator info, it is clear that the explosion was absolutely huge. By increasing the amount of high explosives in that blast calculator we can see how far such a massive bomb would wreak building damage When I enter 10 million kg of TNT into the Blast Calculator, we see that at a distance [range] of 1000 meters [1 km, about two thirds of a mile] we have about 50 kilopascals of incident pressure, which is about 7 psi...just enough to knock down buildings (according to the FEMA Chart I linked to above. It's pretty obvious from the pictures that the explosion was even bigger than that...the sat photo shows buildings RAZED to the ground for many hundreds of meters. How big was the bomb then? The ten million kg of TNT we entered above is 10 kilotons. Hiroshima was 12 to 15 kilotons. IMO this was a conventional detonation. If it was nuclear, the video camera would have been electronically disabled by the EMP. That said what I found strange, there were two pressure waves you can only see in slow motion. There was the first wave that shook the camera then another wave that blew away the building. So it makes me think there was an unknown detonation that caused the second. There are different pressure wave velocities based upon the type of explosive. High explosive pressure waves travel around 25,000 feet per second. Ammonium nitrate travels around 18,000 feet per second. I suggest there is a possibility the first detonation was from an outside source that initiated the ammonium nitrate explosion because the first blast wave was not very powerful and it arrived before the second blast wave. The first detonation pressure wave was from a very high explosive variety perhaps HMX/TNT type warhead IMO. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5957191 United Kingdom 08/13/2020 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I might as well let you in on the latest. I'm pretty sure we have figured out a way to get the explosive power without the fallout/flash etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78932792 Clean nukes. Technology advances. You really think we are stuck in the 40's? 80 year old tech? tactical nukes are doable in Battle, they're very clean, and very devastating. the biggest bomb any of our Transport Aircraft could carry is 85 Tons of bomb weight. can you imagine the explosion of just one 1kt nuke, the size of a shoe-box, can make: that's 1000 Tons of TNT exploding instantaneously. lol do you know how a nuke works? shoe box? you need a huge amount of control to detonate it and that is large. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79262472 United States 08/13/2020 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | /2020/08/08/vt-proving-again-that-nuclear-weapons-are-your-friend-banned-by-national-security-letter-ignored-again/ Quoting: N3m3s1s Any blast crater that is larger than 6 feet wide requires more than 4,000 lbs of TNT to make it. 16,000 lbs of TNT will only make a 10 foot wide crater. So when you see a 60 or a 100 foot wide crater that’s too big to be caused by conventional explosives and when you see a flash that is brighter than the sun followed by a ever expanding and rising fireball. Thats a nuke. Everything else is just a secondary explosion going off . I cannot post the site this came from for some reason. Didn’t know it was banned here but there’s a very scientific analysis of small and micro nukes at the link. If you copy and paste the piece I left into your search bar, you’ll find the article. Amazing. Keep up the good work. |